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once_upon

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Colorado no longer requires masks for fully vaccinated people, and Denver county has a high vaccination rate. I’ve stopped wearing a mask unless a particular location requires it.
Nebraska is hit and miss counties vaccination rates. Ive been dropping the mask unless required by businesses. If im comfortable with distancing but gas stations or rest stops mask is on. Or not enough spacing.
 

ballettmaus

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Israel will finally start vaccinating 12-15 year olds next week. It's not clear how many will go for this given that the risk within Israel is currently low, but hopefully compliance will be high.
I read a German news article the other day that the German committee for vaccinations is hesitant about vaccinating 12-15 year olds (in Germany) because it has been tested so little and we don't know the longerm effects. I'd accept that argument if they hadn't recommended vaccinating with AstraZeneca again after a week or so and if there had been the same concerns about school reopenings and how little we knew and know about the longterm effects of YKW in children.
At least, the German health minister is for vaccinating children even without the approval of the committee.

I think we need to remember that the 70% figure for herd immunity is just a guess. I'm not sure how we, as a country in the US, fixated on this number because I've read many articles that gave a range and also said we just don't know yet.
I don't recall either but I think there was a lot of "based on..." and "at least" involved.
 

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Ontario reported 633 new cases with 19 deaths. The lowest new daily case count since October 18th! Now they talking about opening up a bit earlier than expected. :cheer2:
 

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Per this thread, Belgium is going to require CO2 meters in hotels, restaurants, banquet halls, & fitness centers. Essentially, motivation for businesses to improve their air ventilation systems. Interesting.


As far as I can tell, schools here still don't have open windows, filters, or any improvement in ventilation. I've seen a hepa filter in one classroom. ********* money is being directed towards summer school. I've not heard anything about schools choosing to invest in improved ventilation. I've been wondering what it would take for schools to actually direct their American Rescue Plan funding toward air ventilation improvements. Whether it should somehow be required.
 

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The U.S. has now met the 300 million doses mark. (3.16 million doses as of today).

Two states--Vermont & Massachusetts--have now given enough doses to cover over 60% of their total population.

Washington State moved down to yellow on the NPR map yesterday. This leaves two states--Wyoming & Colorado--in orange today with 10-24 cases per 100K. (Colorado is at 10. Wyoming is at 12). Vermont is getting close to moving down from yellow to green. (Currently at an average of 1 case per 100K).
 

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The U.S. has now met the 300 million doses mark. (3.16 million doses as of today).

Two states--Vermont & Massachusetts--have now given enough doses to cover over 60% of their total population.

Washington State moved down to yellow on the NPR map yesterday. This leaves two states--Wyoming & Colorado--in orange today with 10-24 cases per 100K. (Colorado is at 10. Wyoming is at 12). Vermont is getting close to moving down from yellow to green. (Currently at an average of 1 case per 100K).
The NPR data has a serious lag. Colorado’s 7 day average has been below 10 for over a week; as of today it is 7.1.
 

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I read a German news article the other day that the German committee for vaccinations is hesitant about vaccinating 12-15 year olds (in Germany) because it has been tested so little and we don't know the longerm effects. I'd accept that argument if they hadn't recommended vaccinating with AstraZeneca again after a week or so and if there had been the same concerns about school reopenings and how little we knew and know about the longterm effects of YKW in children.
At least, the German health minister is for vaccinating children even without the approval of the committee.

I don't think there is anything illogical with the German agencys recommendation at all.

AstraZeneca and J&J was restarted and recommended again for people over 60, because they have a very high risk of getting a bad case of *********-19 or dying, therefor the risk of getting the disease is higher than the risk of the rare side effect.

Children have a very small risk of dying of *********-19 and therefor there is no clear indication yet whether giving the vaccine is more risky or getting the disease is more risky. And this weighing up is what the German vaccination agency does when recommending a vaccine or not.
The reasoning behind being hesitant is that the study on Pfizer in children 12-16 has only been conducted with about 1100 children. So because of this small group it's not possible to determine if there are any dangerous rare side effects when vaccinating children that occur for example in less than 1 in 100000 children. And therefor it's mathematically not even possible to determine if the risk of vaccination is higher than the risk of *********-19 at this point.
And recommending anything about school reopenings is simply not the job of the vaccination agency, they have nothing to do with that. And IMO the main reason the health minister wants to vaccinate children as soon as possible is that the governments wants the school problem to magically disappear before winter. So it's not as if that is all medical and altruistic.

In Israel the vaccination authority also only recommended the vaccination for children with a high risk, children who live with parents with a high risk or children who want to travel internationally.
I expect that except for the travelling thing (that's not a medical reason and our agency said they only look at medical necessity in vaccines) the German vaccination agency will recommend exactly the same, so the German agencys opinion is not special or anything. I'd guess many countries will go along with that for the moment.

I think there will be an updated recommendation once there's more data from the US' children vaccination program.

And of course even without the recommendation for all children, parents of healthy children can still decide to have their children vaccinated, just as young people can still decide to get AstraZeneca or J&J.
 

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It's a dashboard so you have to dig, but go to Case Summary and then click 7-day average.
Thank you. I followed your directions, but I don't see where on the screen it shows the 7-day average after you click on the link? (I see a graph with case numbers & a bunch of other things below that about variants, etc. Obviously, it's been a long day;)).

The New York Times site only has about a 1/2 day lag so I don't know why the Colorado state dashboard numbers are different. I think the discrepancy must be due to something else. (I can tell when the NYT site updates because some of the counties here fluctuate between no cases & 1 case so I can always tell when the county turns color on the map and it's generally the evening after a new case has been announced). I know some states don't/didn't track presumed cases, but as far as I can tell Colorado does. So 🤷‍♀️. The NPR map should only have a 1 day lag.


Meanwhile, as I say that, Oregon's data on the Bloomberg site is 2 days behind at the moment because the vaccination site was down yesterday & new numbers must not have been updated until late today. Oregon has 125 new cases today. (This is our typical low day). Per one of the many articles today about the state's coming reopening, we are now down to needing a little less than 107,000 more adults to be vaccinated prior to reaching 70%. (Washington County seems to be doing well, which I suppose isn't surprising as they were about the most impossible place for anyone I know to book an appointment for vaccinations this spring. Their appointments were still filling up in an hour even after openings started to become available in Portland).
 

flyingsit

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Thank you. I followed your directions, but I don't see where on the screen it shows the 7-day average after you click on the link? (I see a graph with case numbers & a bunch of other things below that about variants, etc. Obviously, it's been a long day;)).
It's fairly complex, for sure. After clicking on Case Summary there should be a line graph; if you then choose 7-day Average the graph smooths out and you can click anywhere in it to get the numbers for that day. The far right is now June 6, and the 7-day average is 7.17
 

Karen-W

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Meanwhile, as I say that, Oregon's data on the Bloomberg site is 2 days behind at the moment because the vaccination site was down yesterday & new numbers must not have been updated until late today. Oregon has 125 new cases today. (This is our typical low day). Per one of the many articles today about the state's coming reopening, we are now down to needing a little less than 107,000 more adults to be vaccinated prior to reaching 70%. (Washington County seems to be doing well, which I suppose isn't surprising as they were about the most impossible place for anyone I know to book an appointment for vaccinations this spring. Their appointments were still filling up in an hour even after openings started to become available in Portland).
The vaccination dashboard was updated by mid-afternoon and while Washington County is still vaccinating at a decent clip, the numbers have cratered in almost every other county in the state - Marion, Linn and Columbia were the only other ones above 6% rate still. Which is good for the state since Marion and Linn reaching 65% would total over 42,000 people.
 

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This article says that California with its lockdown did better economically in 2020 than Texas and Florida without.

... for much of the past year, some experts have quietly advanced a counterargument: that economic activity is mainly affected by the rising and falling severity of the ********* itself — not the relative strictness of the measures implemented to mitigate it. In fact, these experts argued, nonpharmaceutical interventions, or NPIs — a set of 20 government responses such as business closures, mask mandates and stay-at-home advisories that Oxford University rates according to stringency — can have an economic upside. The more the ***** seems to be under control, the more eager people will be to participate in the economy.

Last week, this argument got a boost with the publication of a new report by economists at the University of California, Los Angeles. According to the latest quarterly UCLA Anderson Forecast, not only did big states with more stringent ********* measures end 2020 with fewer infections per capita, they also tended to post better economic growth numbers last year than states with fewer restrictions.

In other words, California’s economy actually fared better than Florida’s.
 

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Ontario had 469 new cases with 18 new deaths. Number of new cases continues to go down. I hope this encourages the government to open up more businesses.
 

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Manitoba is the first province to introduce a vaccine passport. With it, you can travel to other provinces and upon return, you will not need to self-isolate (I didn't realize people in Manitoba had to do that). The bigger "benefit" is if you are notified that you were in close contact with someone who tested positive, you will not need to self-isolate as long as you have the vaccine passport.
 

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Peru’s *********-19 Fatalities Are Nearly Three Times Higher Than Originally Thought, Marking World’s Worst Death Toll Per Capita​

That reminds me... it turns out that Alameda County was counting everyone who tested positive for CV and died as a CV death even though they died of something unrelated. Like a car accident. So they recounted using the same formula as everyone else and our overall death rate dropped by over 400 people. Which is A LOT when your overall death rate is around 2000. Or was. (It's 1700+ now but that should reflect the redoing of the numbers.)

Color me unamused.

As far as I can tell, schools here still don't have open windows, filters, or any improvement in ventilation. I've seen a hepa filter in one classroom. ********* money is being directed towards summer school. I've not heard anything about schools choosing to invest in improved ventilation. I've been wondering what it would take for schools to actually direct their American Rescue Plan funding toward air ventilation improvements. Whether it should somehow be required.
Our school district upgraded all the ventilation. I assumed most were doing this but maybe not.

The NPR data has a serious lag. Colorado’s 7 day average has been below 10 for over a week; as of today it is 7.1.
I have noticed the data for CA does not match the alerts I get. I don't know what the lag is but it's there.
 

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