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canbelto

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According to the NPR map, CA is holding steady with 8 cases per 100k but according to the NYT map, CA has gone from having some orange/red to having pretty much all yellow.

I am interested in this because the last time the NPR map started turning red and the red starting moving West, CA did eventually get caught up in it and we had another lockdown. But it doesn't look like it's happening this time.

I'm still going to keep an eye on it.

It looks like with CA the vaccination race MIGHT have caught up in time with the new surge. About 25% of the population is fully vaccinated and cases aren't rising, and hospitalizations are down.
 

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American, Georgetown universities join growing list of campuses to require ******** vaccines​


"American and Georgetown universities joined a growing list of universities this week in requiring students who return in the fall to get a ******** vaccine.

As vaccine eligibility expands and schools come closer to reopening for the fall, at least a dozen campuses have shared plans to mandate vaccines. Some, including Georgetown and AU, are also considering requirements for faculty and staff.

But the announcements have raised questions over the validity of such requirements, as well as access. International students, particularly in countries where ******** vaccines are not widely available, could run into challenges securing inoculations, college leaders acknowledge.

Despite the potential obstacles, the announcement at American was met with excitement, said Eric Brock, a junior and student body president. He said students have encouraged the university to enact a mandate.

Personally, I feel safe coming back to campus knowing that those vaccines are going to be required,” said Brock, who has been taking classes remotely from his home in Phoenix. 'I couldn’t be happier.'

AU president Sylvia M. Burwell, who served as health and human services secretary under President Barack Obama, said Wednesday that vaccines will be an important piece of the school’s plan to reopen campus in the fall.

'While public health measures like face coverings and physical distancing will likely be part of our fall operations, robust vaccination in our community will enable us to expand activities and interactions that enrich the educational, research, and social experiences that are fundamental to AU,' Burwell wrote in a statement."
 

Buzz

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Some news bits:

  • We had 4250 new cases today with a positivity rate of 9.2.
  • 741 people were in ICUs with 506 on ventilators.
  • The Provincial government has changed it’s mind about closing playgrounds
  • Police say they will not be randomly stopping and checking people.
  • The stay at home order was extended to 6 weeks
  • Toronto alone had 1392 new cases
  • For various reasons hundreds of vaccine doses were wasted last month.
  • Second link is a Doctor who admitted 3 patients in the ICU after they refused the vaccine

https://tinyurl.com/2t68xrf4
https://tinyurl.com/yajz4h3t
 

missing

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The New York Times has a thorough article on the difference between counties that went for Biden and those that went for Trump, showing repeatedly that Republican dominated counties have much lower vaccination rates than those that are Democratic.

“I just never in a million years ever expected my field of work to become less medical and more political,” said Hailey Bloom, a registered Republican and the public information officer for the health department that covers Natrona County, Wyo., which Mr. Trump won by a wide margin last year.

The health department, Ms. Bloom said, set up a clinic in a former Macy’s at the local mall and was prepared to give 1,500 shots a day, four days a week. But it has never been able to fill all the slots, she said; usually, 300 or 400 people show up.

Ms. Bloom, like many other county officials, said she feared that reaching herd immunity might not be possible in her community. “It’s terrifying to think that this may never end,” she said. “So much hinges on these vaccinations.”

About 27 percent of Natrona County’s adult residents have been fully vaccinated, and the federal government has estimated, based on Census survey data, that about 32 percent of its residents may be hesitant to get a shot.
 

Dave of the North

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Some news bits:

  • We had 4250 new cases today with a positivity rate of 9.2.
  • 741 people were in ICUs with 506 on ventilators.
  • The Provincial government has changed it’s mind about closing playgrounds
  • Police say they will not be randomly stopping and checking people.
  • The stay at home order was extended to 6 weeks
  • Toronto alone had 1392 new cases
  • For various reasons hundreds of vaccine doses were wasted last month.
  • Second link is a Doctor who admitted 3 patients in the ICU after they refused the vaccine

https://tinyurl.com/2t68xrf4
https://tinyurl.com/yajz4h3t

Finally showing some sense regarding playgrounds.

I'm wondering why they think the numbers will stay high for all summer? (this was from a CBC story). I know they reference the variants but the UK and South Africa experience is that, yes, the cases go very high quickly, but they come down just as quickly. (UK at 2500 or so 7 day average and SA at 1100 or so 7 day average.

I wonder how well their models account for vaccination rates - when the UK spike happened they still had a very low vaccination rate (maybe 1 or 2 % at the time, back in early Jan) but the rate in Ontario is 23.8% as of today.
 

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Is this regardless of education level? It just seems to me that Trump went after people who could be swayed by disinformation, and, therefore, other people spreading disinformation both have been & are likely to target the same people. But, of course, Republicans also likely appealed to communities that meant to reap heavy profits from certain businesses and I assume well-off enclaves--like those neighborhoods De Santis prioritized for vaccinations. Are those areas also behind in vaccinations?

I had a frustrating conversation with a checker at my local grocery store yesterday about vaccinations. It has been bugging me ever since. There was nothing more I could have said to her, but she's a smoker. Not particularly young. She doesn't believe in vaccinations, but she also said that her doctor told her that her allergies place her at more risk from the vaccine than from the disease. If this is really the case, then she is exactly the kind of person who needs everyone else to get vaccinated. But instead she seemed to be trying to convince other people not to do so. She was certain it couldn't possibly be worth getting a shot if we might need a booster in six months. I really do worry about these people.
 
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missing

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Is this regardless of education level? It just seems to me that Trump went after people who could be swayed by disinformation, and, therefore, other people spreading disinformation both have been & are likely to target the same people. But, of course, Republicans also likely appealed to communities that meant to reap heavy profits from certain businesses and I assume well-off enclaves--like those neighborhoods De Santis prioritized for vaccinations. Are those areas also behind in vaccinations?

I went back to get more info from the Times article:

The relationship between vaccination and politics reflects demographics. Vaccine hesitancy is highest in counties that are rural and have lower income levels and college graduation rates — the same characteristics found in counties that were more likely to have supported Mr. Trump. In wealthier Trump-supporting counties with higher college graduation rates, the vaccination gap is smaller, the analysis found, but the partisan gap holds even after accounting for income, race and age demographics, population density and a county’s infection and death rate.

When asked in polls about their vaccination plans, Republicans across the country have been far less likely than Democrats to say they plan to get shots. Most recently, on Wednesday, Monmouth University and Quinnipiac University polls indicated that almost half of Republicans did not plan to pursue vaccinations. Only around one in 20 Democrats said the same...

In counties where a majority of residents voted for Mr. Trump in the 2020 election, adult vaccination rates were lower, on average, than in counties where a majority of residents voted for Mr. Biden. The rate was especially low in counties where Mr. Trump dominated, falling below 1 in 4 residents in counties where the former president won by a margin of 50 or more points.

The divide in vaccination rates remained even after accounting for a variety of factors, including infection rates, population density and educational attainment.

 

Dobre

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I went back to get more info from the Times article:
Thank you for doing that, missing. I knew I should read the article myself, but I'm working today and didn't know when I would get a chance. It seems to me there is a two-way phenomenon going on. Republican leaders & Trump were/are afraid of endorsing anything their base may be opposed to. And constituents, listening to conservative radio & TV and facebook disinformation, are making poor decisions in part because of poor leadership.
 

Dobre

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Oregon had 628 new cases today. (And Sunday should be a low day). 142 in Multnomah County. One thing about numbers blowing up in the Portland area, we will reach the 300 hospitalizations a lot faster that way than if we wait for community spread numbers to blow up in every rural county in the state. The state jumped from 200 to now 215 hospitalizations today:(.

30,000+ vaccinations were recorded.

My parents are now two weeks past their second shot:).
 

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I just got back from a trip to the Oregon coast. I thought people were mostly being very compliant about masking and the businesses and restaurants seemed to be enforcing masks and 25% indoor capacity rules, as well. I thought they were being a lot more compliant than folks in my county in California even though the political leanings in rural Oregon are probably similar to my county. We also have a 34% current vaccination rate here, pretty low compared to the rest of the country. :(
 

MacMadame

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Isn't 20% the magic number for having the R0 go down? I guess we'll see.

Also, I think the must be the county mentioned here that doesn't follow any rules:

 

SkateSand

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We have open defiance of the rules in my very red county and law enforcement won't enforce them - rodeo last weekend, of course :rolleyes: and more coming up.
 

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I will write about my vaccine experience in that thread, but I’ll say here that the Walgreens that I went to for my shot was again very slow and disorganized and crowded. There were at least a dozen of us waiting at one point in the pharmacy area, which I guess was around 25 or 30 feet long and maybe 10 or 12 feet wide. One guy came and got in line and had his nose sticking out of his gaiter. I was giving him a bit of an evil eye and debating whether to say anything since it was so crowded and he looked at me looking at him. He then pulled his gaiter up over his nose and nodded at me, I gave him a thumbs up and we smiled at each other. It was nice!
 

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American, Georgetown universities join growing list of campuses to require ******** vaccines​

I've been following discussions about this with some interest and I keep seeing people insist that the vaccines aren't really vaccines and/or that the vaccines are not immunizations. This is usually followed by something about how ********* shots are like flu shots, which aren't vaccines, or that the vaccines haven't been approved by the FDA. But flu shots are vaccines and how does FDA approval make something a vaccine or not a vaccine?

Does anyone know what that argument is all about?
 

MacMadame

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Does anyone know what that argument is all about?
From what I can tell, it's about whether or not they can be required. Some are saying the vaccines only have an EUA so they can't be required as you can't require someone to take something experimental.

The other arguments make no sense to me. Except I have seen people say that flu vaccines aren't required when people point out that other vaccines are required. To which I say "so what?" :lol: The law says vaccines can be required in order to do things and it's not unconstitutional. Having some vaccines not be required doesn't change that.

I haven't heard or read anyone saying that the vaccines aren't vaccines.
 

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I haven't heard or read anyone saying that the vaccines aren't vaccines.
Apparently the argument is that the vaccines aren't vaccines but gene therapy. Although that still doesn't explain why people think the flu vaccine isn't a vaccine.

I saw some people yesterday arguing quite fiercely that vaccines are different from immunizations because immunizations actually give you immunity and vaccines don't. :wideeyes:

And yes, a lot of people are apparently unaware that a lot of universities have required vaccinations for years. I've been reading a lot of rants about Constitutional rights and HIPAA violations and all kinds of things, like this is brand-new territory here. I remember one guy I knew who had never had a vaccine; he ended up in my master's program because that university was one of the few that didn't require vaccinations. He was having a terrible time trying to find a decent Ph.D program that didn't require vaccinations when I last saw him.
 

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I know people who still think this thing is a hoax and is an excuse for government to exert more control.

These same people will not get the vaccine.

I just sigh, take a deep breath and just hope they don’t get this thing.

You just have to accept the fact there are certain things you just cannot change...
 

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On Twitter, the vaccination experts are citing HIPPA (heh) and the Nuremberg Code (????) for why no one can require vaccines.

Vaccines are a war crime?
 

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I know people who still think this thing is a hoax and is an excuse for government to exert more control.

These same people will not get the vaccine.

I just sigh, take a deep breath and just hope they don’t get this thing.

You just have to accept the fact there are certain things you just cannot change...
I like to understand where people are coming from. There are always reasons why people believe the things they do; they do not wake up in the morning and think "Today I am going to adopt this stupid idea just because."

Sometimes they do have stupid reasons for thinking what they do but sometimes there is some truth there. I don't know until I look at the evidence.

In an case, I thought this was excellent news for those who have been (or plan to be) vaccinated:

[M]ajor media outlets trumpeted new government data last week showing that 5,800 fully vaccinated Americans had contracted *********. That may sound like a big number, but it indicates that a vaccinated person’s chances of getting ********* are about one in 11,000. The chances of getting a version any worse than a common cold are even more remote.

If you’re vaccinated, ********* presents a minuscule risk to you, and you present a minuscule ********* risk to anyone else. A car trip is a bigger threat, to you and others. About 100 Americans are likely to die in car crashes today. The new federal data suggests that either zero or one vaccinated person will die today from *********.
 

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On Twitter, the vaccination experts are citing HIPPA (heh) and the Nuremberg Code (????) for why no one can require vaccines.

Vaccines are a war crime?
I know I just don’t get it. I am tired of people thinking they have no responsibilities to society at large.
 

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Big Chile study finds Chinese vaccine slashes ********* deaths​

"A real-world study of millions of Chileans who had received the Chinese-developed CoronaVac vaccine has found it 67% effective against symptoms and 80% against death from *********-19, the South American country's Health Ministry said Friday.

Ministry adviser Rafael Araos said the study covered 10.5 million people, including 2.5 million who had received both doses of the vaccine and 1.5 million who had received a single dose between Feb. 2 and April 1."
 

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