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once_upon

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I hear my anti-vaxx relatives and friends, saying we aren't refusing the vaccine. We are making a choice - like it's called a choice to get married or to have kids - its my choice to not get a vaccine. Then they add - if vaccines work, and you are vaccinated, whats the problem? :wall:
 

Dobre

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The governor of Oregon has also lowered restriction requirements again. I don't exactly understand the new rules except that restrictions are now related to hospitalizations, and while capacity restrictions remain in place, indoor dining won't be shut down until . . . I don't know. I did understand that 300 hospitalizations is now significant. We're currently at 170+, and that number has climbed from 105 in only two or three weeks. (Basically, to me this means, we are going to let case numbers climb until we get to 300 hospitalizations. I don't think that date is going to be as far away as the writer of the article seemed to think).

I spent the day in a school with 3 feet of distancing between elementary kids. This basically means, there is no distancing. The teacher & assistants are always having to walk in the middle of the 3 feet of space to pass out papers or redirect so & so or reach the calendar or the board. The non-compliant kids are walking or crawling or wandering into other kids' bubbles. And there is no such thing as 100% mask compliance. The masks are slipping off the kids all day long. Many of the kids & even some adults lift the masks off their mouths in order to be heard when they talk. Various parents are sending kids to school with gators or bandanas or visors or masks that are just too big to stay on. Plus the kids are eating in the classroom for breakfast, lunch, & snacks without masks. And no, kids aren't all facing forward. And no, there is no plexiglass. They're just visiting like kids visit when they eat. (And this is a school that isn't allowing partner work and has modified P.E. & music lessons & puts dots on the floor in the halls). At least two local schools are allowing the former & are essentially having regular music & P.E. with masks on. (You know, for the kids that are actually wearing their masks). Plus most buildings allow "mask breaks" where kids can take off their masks in the classroom for 5-15 minutes on top of all the time they aren't wearing them during meals. And, no, there are no open windows.
 

Buzz

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Just some of the news we are waking up to today:

  • Ontario is considering a province wide stay at home order.
  • Toronto schools will switch to online only from today for two weeks.
  • Sick Kids is opening a unit for adults CV patients 40 and under.
  • Restrictions for big box stores are coming.
  • Persons 60+ can now get vaccinated all over Ontario
  • Teachers and other essential workers will be vaccinated in May/June
  • Our positivity rate is 8.9
 

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A true classic never loses its power and charm.

Republican Governor Greg Gianforte of Montana, who ended a statewide mask mandate in February and forced local municipalities to lift *********-19 limits, has tested positive for ********.

Governor Gianforte got his first Pfizer vaccine dose four days before his positive test result, which came the day after he attended Easter Sunday services at Grace Bible Church in Bozeman.
 

Dobre

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Alaska turned red on the NPR map today. (Get those seafood workers vaccinated, people. Another career where I think vaccinations should ultimately be mandatory for folks who can get them. You're going to go live on a boat with a bunch of other fishermen for months. Or take a boat up to the canning facilities & work in a cannery. Companies aren't going to want to pay for people in quarantine. Ditto with anyone in the armed forces living in close quarters, much less on a ship).
 

MsZem

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A true classic never loses its power and charm.

Republican Governor Greg Gianforte of Montana, who ended a statewide mask mandate in February and forced local municipalities to lift *********-19 limits, has tested positive for ********.

Governor Gianforte got his first Pfizer vaccine dose four days before his positive test result, which came the day after he attended Easter Sunday services at Grace Bible Church in Bozeman.
What a waste of a perfectly good vaccine.

Gianforte was the one who once assaulted a reporter, isn't he?
 
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Dave of the North

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We had 3,215 new infections today. There are significant changes to the province’s vaccine rollout plan but most still has to wait four months for their 2nd dose.


They've been selling the idea that the first dose is just as good (as two doses) after two weeks, and the 3 or 4 month gap is totally OK. So you can rip off those masks two weeks after the first dose.
 

Spikefan

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Not so fast, Cowboy. A 20% chance of infection didn’t inspire us to make any changes. 5% suits us better.
Those of us that got J&J are only 66% protected and we are considered fully vaccinated so I can see how those that have their first shot of Moderna/Pfizer feel pretty good as they are better off right now. I’m happy with anyone vaccinated and it’s up to them to decide how much protection is “enough”. Let’s not start shaming people (I realize in the above scenario this was likely more tongue in cheek) who are vaccinated from doing things, because if we required only 5% chance why did I bother getting J&J and why was it approved?
 
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MacMadame

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Those of us that got J&J are only 66% protected and we are considered fully vaccinated
I read an article that says the efficacy rate is not a good measure of which vaccines are better. This is because the tests were done at different times on different populations. Remember that AZ was saying they found a 90% efficacy rate in one of their trials. But it turns out that the trial had enrolled mostly younger people!

And J&Js trials were not over when these new variants were around. Maybe if they had done their trials earlier or on a different population, they'd have a higher efficacy rate too.

The current data for Pfizer and Moderna puts their efficacy rate around 90% out in the real world now that millions of doses have been given. We'll see what J&J's real-life efficacy rate is soon and we'll see if the other two have a lower or higher rate now that younger people are being vaccinated as well.

The main thing is that they all are very preventative against death and hospitalizations in the trials. In real life, they won't be 100% effective like they were in the trials but they are going to be pretty darn close.
 

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Scary stories coming out of Vancouver Canucks. 3 positive tests on 3/31 and now 25 positive :(

I don't know how to link from the Twitter app, but a verified account belonging to Eric Feigl- Ding has a detailed thread about it.
 

Dobre

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Somewhere I read that J&J may potentially continue to improve efficacy throughout the first 56 days.

:COP: (Searching)

Here's a link:


"The Johnson & Johnson vaccine shows a 72% efficacy rate in the U.S., and even though it falls short of the 95% rate found in Moderna and Pfizer studies, doctors say its efficacy may actually get better over time."

"Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding is an epidemiologist who says J&J reaches as high as 90-95% efficacy for severe *********-19 at 56 days, which he says is on par with Pfizer and Moderna."
 

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Kaiser Health Network and The Guardian have released the results of their investigation of front-line health-care workers lost during the first year of the ********* in the US. More than 3600 health-care workers lost their lives, at an average age of just 59 (as compared to 78, the average age of death in the general population. How many of those deaths could have been prevented if the federal government had assisted the states in obtaining protective gear? Especially heartbreaking is the story of a 28-year-old resident who died as late as last September after having to keep reusing a single, disintegrating N95 mask.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/07/health/health-workers-die-*********-kaiser/index.html
 

Susan1

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I forgot it was on till it was halfway over, so I thought I'd just wait for the highlights -
 

FGRSK8

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Not so fast, Cowboy. A 20% chance of infection didn’t inspire us to make any changes. 5% suits us better.
Agreed. I will admit however we are going to the casino two weeks after our first shot and a week before our second. We will likely have 70-80% protection by then but we are going to take the attitude we have not had any shots. The masks stay on, social distancing, and washing hands will continue!🐸🐸💉💉💉💉
 

once_upon

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Well, well, well....Representative Don Bacon (R) is getting his first vaccine on Saturday. He had to wait because he had C-19 in December and says he is still having lung issues. He is talking about it now and encouraging all Republican men to get vaccinated. "It's not a hoax"

I hope those guys (R) listen to him as that is one of the lowest level of vaccinated population.
 

Dobre

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Oregon has 678 new cases today:cry:. (The highest number in 2 months). I find it :wall: that we are going to just watch cases escalate out of control when we could have started nipping this in the bud yesterday during the regular couny assessment update if we had just stuck to the normal health metric requirements & restrictions that were already in place & established. I do think there should be a time for dialing back health requirements, of course. I just don't think it should be until six weeks after the members of the general public that want to get vaccinated are vaccinated. (A good chunk of counties could have continued to function with low restrictions if the counties with rising case numbers had those nipped in the bud. Instead, we will see cases rise faster in more counties).

Oregon has now given enough vaccination doses to fully cover 25% of the population. (We are still a ways off from actually having that many people fully vaccinated, but this is a step on the way there). 50,000+ vaccinations were added today:).
 

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I’m starting to think that these statewide maps may be perpetuating the crud terror that the media is counting on for clicks. Massachusetts is mostly lime green with the exception of Cape Cod and the Islands (where more than 50% are vaccinated) and the Springfield area. All of our other counties are below 3% positivity.
 

Dobre

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This is a reason why I look at more than one map. The NPR one shows numbers per capita for full states while the NYT one shows county-by-county cases & cases per capita over the recent past week.
 

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