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overedge

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Re Las Vegas, I think masks are mandatory at most of the casinos, partly for the safety of the staff. But since the casinos also want people to drink and party while they're there (more $$$), I imagine there are a lot of casino patrons regularly removing their masks and then putting them back on.
 

MacMadame

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But for me at least, Trump's erratic take on the crud is one of the major things I am tired of.
This is why I've largely tuned him out. He's not really impacting day-to-day life here in CA like he might be in places that whip in the wind with him so it's been easy enough to do. It did take a while. I think the fact that we are in the middle of an election helps.
 

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Re Las Vegas, I think masks are mandatory at most of the casinos, partly for the safety of the staff. But since the casinos also want people to drink and party while they're there (more $$$), I imagine there are a lot of casino patrons regularly removing their masks and then putting them back on.
President Superspreador was there yesterday. I wouldn't go to Las Vegas for a million dollars and free Skate America tickets.
 

overedge

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President Superspreador was there yesterday. I wouldn't go to Las Vegas for a million dollars and free Skate America tickets.

I completely forgot about the 21st century equivalent of Typhoid Mary infecting gracing Sin City with his presence....
 

Dobre

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On the happy side of things in the Oregon news, I just read an article about adaptations & adjustments for Christmas events in Portland. And even though I have absolutely no desire to spend Christmas in Portland, it makes me feel happy to think of nightime zoo walks with Christmas lights. Also the Old Church is having a concert aired on a local TV station as a replacement for their usual live performance. And another group is modifying their normal event to make it a drive-by lights tour, etc. Anyway, it leaves me with happy thoughts to think about all the people who are a. trying to place health & safety first and b. still trying to make things special for others.

On the negative side of things, 19 high school students from three different Albany/Lebanon schools had a party without masks and some of the families of students have refused to report contacts. :wall: The school district has had to cancel even their small classes for super high-need students:(, and teachers were sent back to work from home. Numbers have been rising in the county, and 13 of 21 schools in the district have now had cases despite only serving high-need small groups.
 

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Researcher: 1 in 30 eastern Idahoans actively spreading *********-19​


"Modeling from the University of Idaho estimates about one in 30 eastern Idahoans have *********-19 and are actively spreading the *****, a figure that displays the magnitude of the region's mounting caseload.

"With respect to the state, that's about as bad as (it) gets," Ben Ridenhour, a mathematics professor who helps manage the model, told the Post Register via text message on Monday."


Meanwhile the health district in eastern Idaho has "raised the bar" for ********* mandates so that it is harder to mandate any health-related restrictions. Ahhh! :wall:

 

Dobre

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New Mexico turned red on the NPR map today:cry:. Hospitalizations are also up there as well.

Tennessee had a new high of 3,317 cases and also has a new high for hospitalizations.


Wisconsin judge reimposes ********* restrictions as U.S. nursing homes sound alarm

"As Wisconsin battled one of the worst ******** surges in the United States, a judge on Monday reinstated an order by the administration of Governor Tony Evers limiting the size of indoor public gatherings at bars, restaurants and other venues."
(Progress).

So the mayor of Fargo, North Dakota votes against a mask mandate in the city because he doesn't think he can enforce it when neighboring communities don't have one. Instead, he wants the governor to order a statewide mask mandate. Um . . . pot meet kettle? Zero guts. Get some backbone, people. There are @700 cases a day in North Dakota right now, a state with only about 700,000 people in it.

S.D. (South Dakota) House Speaker battles *********-19: 'It's been the most devastating stuff I've ever had'


Another Utah hospital fills its ICU, with 1,168 more ******** cases reported Monday


The governor of Mississippi reinstated a mask mandate in 9 counties.

Wyoming had a new high for hospitalizations.

Theme park guidelines in California are expected to be announced tomorrow.

A first-grade teacher died in Arkansas.

Governor adds *********-19 restrictions for southern Illinois, warns Chicago’s south and west suburbs could be next


"New restrictions will be put in place in the region starting Thursday, including bans on indoor dining and bar service and reductions in limits on the size of gatherings to a maximum of 25 people.

Similar restrictions could be announced for the West Suburban and South Suburban regions outside Chicago 'as early as tomorrow,' Pritzker said.

'All of this takes place in a national landscape of increasing positivity rates, and where the majority of our border states have been called out as national hotspots,' Pritzker said. 'We can’t wall off Illinois from the surge, but we can take extra precautions and do better than others at following mitigations that slow the spread.'"
 

BlueRidge

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There's a report now that woman died on a plane in July from *********. :eek:

I've been trying to convince my sister to fly at Christmas rather than driving 10 hours. I think I just lost that one. Just psychologically its going to tip the balance I think.
 

antmanb

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Talks have broken down between the leaders of Greater Manchester and the government (because the government are not giving a workable financial solution to closing down businesses) so we're unilaterally being put into tier 3 lockdown from tonight.

It's funny how Johnson is painting this as the Mayor of Manchester's fault (he's asking for too much and the proposed deal isn't acceptable to the government) but when it's Johnson negotiating the deal with the EU, he's trying to make out that the EU is a fault....it's always everyone else's fault when it comes to deal negotiation.
 

Lorac

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Talks have broken down between the leaders of Greater Manchester and the government (because the government are not giving a workable financial solution to closing down businesses) so we're unilaterally being put into tier 3 lockdown from tonight.

It's funny how Johnson is painting this as the Mayor of Manchester's fault (he's asking for too much and the proposed deal isn't acceptable to the government) but when it's Johnson negotiating the deal with the EU, he's trying to make out that the EU is a fault....it's always everyone else's fault when it comes to deal negotiation.
This is going to get bad - the government unfortunately has the power to stick it to Manchester and I think they will. The question is will other local authorities who are going to get moved to tier 3 try to get deals for their areas or just accept what the government is going to do regardless. The tier 3 isn't even being applied the same - Liverpool gyms have to shut but not ones in Lancashire but they are both in tier 3!!!
 

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Israel's numbers have been improving so fast that I've seen people wonder whether there's an issue with the testing. We're not the most responsible country, so hopefully we won't screw things up again.
 

cholla

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Where I work, 80kms north of Grenoble, in a city of 30.000, not (yet) a red zone, masks are now mandatory in the streets (and we are heading towards a curfew too). Last week : masks not mandated, 99% of people had one on. Now : 30 to 40% don't :duh:
People are being little kids who throw tantrums when they are told to do things. WTF is wrong with them?
 

antmanb

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This is going to get bad - the government unfortunately has the power to stick it to Manchester and I think they will. The question is will other local authorities who are going to get moved to tier 3 try to get deals for their areas or just accept what the government is going to do regardless. The tier 3 isn't even being applied the same - Liverpool gyms have to shut but not ones in Lancashire but they are both in tier 3!!!

Yes - as with everything this government does it's a shambles, rules aren't applied equally. Andy Burnham is absolutely right Westminster is treating the north with contempt. And they're outright lying - hospital capacity in Manchester is not at a crisis point....as yet. The numbers are still ok in hospitals and now, like every other university city, the numbers that spiked as a result of university students getting and spreading it when they returned to uni, are now coming back down again consistently, day on day, so they think it is the start of a downward trend rather than an exception.

Hopefully this will turn all of votes that the Tories gained in the north back into votes for labour.
 

Louis

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Yes - as with everything this government does it's a shambles, rules aren't applied equally. Andy Burnham is absolutely right Westminster is treating the north with contempt. And they're outright lying - hospital capacity in Manchester is not at a crisis point....as yet. The numbers are still ok in hospitals and now, like every other university city, the numbers that spiked as a result of university students getting and spreading it when they returned to uni, are now coming back down again consistently, day on day, so they think it is the start of a downward trend rather than an exception.

Hopefully this will turn all of votes that the Tories gained in the north back into votes for labour.

I often support Johnson, but I'm disgusted with the government's treatment of Manchester and think Andy Burnham will go down as a hero in this. 22m is a joke. People's lives and futures are going to be destroyed, on the basis of living on one side of the tracks v. another.
 

MacMadame

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In a social meeting at work. We're talking about dining under C19. Not one of us is willing to do it. We're all still doing take-out.

But a bunch of us have been to the dentist. One had a broken crown so not a lot of choice. The rest of us just got teeth cleaning.
 

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So while most of California is doing well, our county is not. The Board of Supervisors is going to have an emergency meeting to discuss defying the state mandate putting us in the purple tier (worst one). Meanwhile, in my town of Shingletown, this happens:
 

Susan1

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October 20, 2020

Cases - 185,639 / 24 hour reported - 2,015 / 21 day average - 1,559
Hospitalizations - 17,388 / 216 (highest ever) / 94
ICU - 3,597 / 36 / 15
Deaths - 5,083 / 8 / 14

What DeWine said (from twitter -
"A lot is at stake in Ohio because of the c.v. *********. Lives are at stake. We worry about hospitals filling up. We worry about long-term health issues for those who recover. We also worry about the education of our children.
Because of high community spread, in the last 2 weeks at least 16 districts have scaled back to hybrid or fully remote models because of spread. We have at least 50 districts that are fully on-line right now, with nearly 300,000 students unable to attend in-person classes.
It should concern all Ohioans that so many of our kids are going to school remotely. While many kids can do well under these circumstances, many cannot. Some of our poorest children who thrive in an in-person learning environment do not do nearly as well online.
We owe it to these kids to fight back against this ***** and reduce community spread. We owe it to their future. We owe it to the state's future. We can control this through what we do every single day."

(Idiot comment underneath one of them, which shows why we have a problem - "Or you can realize that the kids are not the spreaders and let them learn and become our future leaders. Today’s leaders are not working for the kids they’re working for themselves and that’s the true problem with everything in the country today.")

69 of the 88 counties show high incidence (over 100 per 100K). Putnam - 490.2; Auglaize - 440.2; next 5 counties over 300 per 100K; 25 counties over 200 per 100K.

He had a map done of the whole Midwest for 10/4, 10/11 and 10/18, where you can see the spread of Red. Spread between states and counties.

More twitter -
"On August 20th, I asked Ohio Bureau of Workers Comp's Board of Directors to approve a second dividend for public and private employers as financial support during the ongoing *********. These checks – totaling around $1.3 billion - will be mailed to employers beginning this week. These checks will be mailed to employers throughout the end of October. So employers, please check your mail for an envelope like this which contains your check. These checks will not be directly deposited into any bank accounts.

Look for more news soon on programs that will use CARES Act funding to create a wide-ranging program to address the needs of struggling Ohioans, including funding for rent, mortgages, and water and sewer utility bills, as well as funding for small businesses and nonprofits."

And this was a head scratcher - the white house?
"The white house c.v. Task Force sends reports to states every week to give a broad picture of how the states compare to others in the region and nationally. A recent report notes Ohio’s increase in cases initiated by social friends and family gatherings. The Task Force recommends that Ohioans limit friend and family get-togethers to prevent situations where the ***** can rapidly spread and reach those most at risk of complications.

It’s the same thing I’m hearing when I speak with county health commissioners. It’s not big formal events or workplaces where they are seeing the most spread – it’s informal gatherings. Please keep this in mind when gathering to watch the first OSU football game of the season and as you prepare to watch the Browns and Bengals this Sunday, or as you consider any other gatherings."

Sucky comment under that - "I’m going to have my friends over for the Penn State game. What are you going to do about it?"
Smart comment - "I’ve been on board with most of your guidelines. I wear my mask to protect others. I distance as much as I can. When you say something like ‘#’s are up, up quite a bit, but OSU football is back this weekend.’ Very sad that football is that important. Spike in 2 weeks? Bet so! "

Twitter - "We’ve submitted Ohio’s Interim Draft c.v. vaccine Plan to the CDC. This is a framework of how decisions will be made when we know more about the vaccine and will provide us a way forward in the next chapter of the *********. We’ll post this soon on the website. Ohio Dept of Health will be launching a new registration tool for health care providers who would like to eventually administer the vaccine."

Flu - had a chart with the differences between c.v. and the flu. The one thing I wrote down was flu has a runny nose, but c.v. can cause you to lose your sense of smell and taste. And the complications.

Dr. Thomas, Wexler, OSU - talked about the different Zones (three). Zone 3 (us and Cincinnati) have the highest number of hospitalizations ever. Zone 2 (middle) the highest since May. Zone 1 is also higher. They have opened the Regional Center in Columbus, where smaller hospitals who can't handle c.v. patients will send them. (This is way different information than the dashboard numbers I shared earlier that looked pretty good.) The number of inmates being admitted is lower. We are doing o.k., not peaking yet, don't know when it will top out. Ha - he mentioned shutting down elective surgeries back in March that started back up again! December and January are usually high capacity because of the flu. Need to see a change in c.v. numbers before that. From DeWine's twitter: "Dr. Thomas: Right now hospitals believe they can handle the current capacity, but the concern is that we're not seeing the number of cases and hospitalizations peak. If numbers continue to rise, we'll run into difficult decisions to make."

Showed "c.v. positive patient count in hospital" chart - I can't click on it here, but they noted the peaks 1,100 on 4/23, 1,122 on 7/28 and 1,221 today. (A comment underneath says it looks like The Racer (roller coaster) at Kings Island. Yup.)

More twitter (thank you twitter, except I have to go through and replace all the "bad words" with c.v. I hope I caught them all.) - Today, Ohio Dept. of Health amended a directive to require all labs to start sharing all positive, negative, inconclusive, and invalid test c.v. test results w/ ODH. Adding these categories will help us gather additional data for a more complete picture of how c.v. is spreading. Previously, labs were reporting positive c.v. results at the individual level and as an aggregate count for all other test results. This change will allow us to provide positivity data by county in the coming weeks. To get to this point, the Ohio Department of Health developed a technology solution to allow their systems to receive negative test results.

Husted - on 9/19, 19 counties had high incidence, today there are 69 (that's a month). Has called counties to discuss how to attack issues at the local level. Mayors, superintendents, health professionals should take leadership role. (me- you can't make people wear masks)

"OHSAA observers have been to 458 sites over 8 weeks (600 football games, at least 50 volleyball games, at least 50 soccer games). Observers provide reports following games to serve as an educational opportunity for the school to improve. A “failing grade” does not mean there is a lack of a plan or that the school isn’t following safety protocols - usually a result of student athlete enthusiasm after a play."

Gun violence stats and crime bill that has been in the legislature for a year, again.

Questions -
WOIO Cleveland - one viewer is panicked because he is not doing enough to enforce mask wearing, another viewer says it's not that serious. DeWine - it's sad that people are trivializing people's lives. Most of the spread is from people doing informal things and letting their guard down. People who don't know they have it. Can't go into people's houses. Can't issue an order. Every Ohioan needs to take this seriously. He said "it's only a mask" twice.

Jim Otte, WHIO, Dayton - you talked about the financial help. What about the stimulus package? DeWine said that was a good question. Doesn't know what Congress is going to do, but is optimistic. Again with the can we rollover the money. Friday, the money will go to people who need it the most. Also need money for more testing and tracing. (He's not going to get that from the federal govt if trump doesn't believe in it.) Husted said it's a difficult time and they need to build a bridge.

WCHS Charlotte, WV - what about adult Halloween parties? (why is someone from WV asking about adult Halloween parties in Ohio?) He said will everyone be dressed as doctors and nurses? (I said - why are you here?) DeWine said trick or treat can be done safely. And - adults: don't have parties. Let's be around next Halloween.

WCPO Cinc. -The vp will be here for a rally. They will temperature check and give out masks. Will they wear masks? DeWine said our message has been clear. And "It's your life that's at stake."

Cleveland.com - why is the age of cases going up? (She actually has a paying job? Spread, dummy.) DeWine - the last spike ~50% were over 30. Numbers on Thursday.

Toledo Blade - following up that question, any connection with the republican rallies? Yes. He will verify with health departments. Mentioned Montgomery county has been red "an awful lot".

Columbus Dispatch - vaccine plan? Will be published. The federal government wanted the information from us. It's driven by the administration. Lots of complexities. Distribution - waiting on info from federal government (uh-oh) Don't know when. First - vulnerable and front line workers. (me - I've been wondering what if someone is already sick/in the hospital? Is it too late?)

Cinc. Enquirer - high number in hospitals, will you limit elective surgeries? As before, takes the advice of the hospitals. Talked to hospital in Cincinnati yesterday - said it takes two weeks to get it under control. Back to DeWine - We have avoided spikes and we can do it again. Q2 - are you or the Lt. Gov. going to pence's rally? Both said no. Then DeWine came back and said that pence has done a phenomenal job and was "very, very focused" on people's health. And he appreciates that so much. (Does pence's boss know he is completely different than his boss? Why doesn't pence say so in public?)

WCMH, Columbus - You're leaving it up to schools to decide. Will there be a statewide action? (What is it with these people trying to cause trouble?) Schools are doing great with mask wearing. Keep safe. It is incumbent on the community to consider the impact on schools. Q2 - anything on bar and restaurant restrictions? Can't do it when the numbers are going crazy. It would be irresponsible. (Duh!)

Bloomberg - there is a business roundtable telling employees that if they don’t vote for conservative judges, they will lose their jobs. DeWine said he didn't know about that. And that they can't do that. They can express their opinion but not tell people how to vote.

Laura Bischoff, DDN, Dayton - do you just have anecdotal evidence or is contact tracing telling you that it's informal gatherings that are making the numbers go up? He didn’t even get to answer that (but he's said before he gets the reports of incidents from health departments) because she also asked how dangerous it was going to be to vote in person on Nov. 3. DeWine said the Secretary of State said there's already been more who voted than who would on election day. DeWine said to go early, stay safe, be careful. People have had enough time to make a decision based on their own circumstances. He worries about the poll workers who have to be there all day. Wear a mask.

Spectrum News - asking again about a statewide action to close schools. "Not at the moment." Relying on local boards and families to make the right decisions. Giving them guidance. (me - They all have to wear masks in school. It's not what they are doing IN school that is the problem. Stop asking!) DeWine - In school is best, but can't get there with the high numbers.

I'll save you the ass's whole disgusting diatribe and just provide DeWine's answers - "Sorry you still feel it necessary to attack Dr. Acton." He's not requiring people to get the vaccine. Hopes they will. Listen to the CDC and experts. Once first responders get the vaccine, people will be more confident.

WBNS, Columbus - with cases and hospital numbers that keep going higher, "your words don’t seem to be resonating". Had a call from a legislator over two of the highest counties. He said there has been a lot more compliance because people are scared. DeWine said he is optimistic that people will start wearing masks more. (When? 2024?) We saw it back in June and July when the urban areas' compliance went up dramatically. Communities need to talk about plans. This is what has to be done.
 

Dobre

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An article from Washington State:

Washington officials examining about 100 cases that appear to be *********-19 reinfections​


"State health officials are looking at about 100 cases of *********-19 in state residents who have tested positive a second time with hopes they can learn more about reinfections.

They may face some roadblocks or uncertainties, however."



"'In order to determine if it’s a completely new infection, you have to have the sample from the first time the person tested positive and compare the genetic material from the first and second tests,' Lofy said.

Thus far, getting access to the samples, if they are still at the labs at all, has been a challenge.

“A lot of labs are doing so many tests, they only hold those specimens for a certain period of time then throw them away,” Lofy said.

Lofy said the state Department of Health is working with local academic partners as well as a CDC team to continue to study reinfection."


(One of the challenges I would see here in diagnosing reinfections in Washington & Oregon is that back in March/April, most people with potentially mild cases of ********* could not get tested. These people may have been able to take antibody tests since then. But I cannot tell from this article if that would count or if you have to have an actual positive test in order to be confirmed as a case of reinfection? If reinfection is more likely to happen in people who had a mild case initially, which I've heard floated as one possible theory, then a lot of people would not have any test at all from those initial early months).
 

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I met a friend this morning for a hike outdoors and then we went out to lunch. We sat outside and were at a high top table and sat next to the wall. I felt like we were very far away from everybody else. It was wonderful.

And I am wondering if my planned trip to Kentucky will happen. A friend told me that one of the farms that I was going to go to had a crud case. Sigh. We'll see.
 

MacMadame

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So while most of California is doing well, our county is not. The Board of Supervisors is going to have an emergency meeting to discuss defying the state mandate putting us in the purple tier (worst one). Meanwhile, in my town of Shingletown, this happens:
Want to come visit me until the madness is over?
 

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