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Ontario had 204 new cases including 63 in Toronto with one new death. Third day in a row we have had new cases over 200. The province has put on hold all loosening of restrictions until that number goes way down.
 

MacMadame

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hey aren't all off. I think half of the conferences played games this weekend.
Aren't the bigger conferences off though? Regardless, I just don't see the NFL looking at this crazy year and judging it the same as any other year. That people can't see that is part of how the human mind works but it's not a good reason to play football when cases are still high in many parts of the country.

Also, realistically, how many college football players even have an NFL career? I just think it's a stupid reason to play football, if all other indications are that it's not safe for the people involved.
 

MsZem

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Aren't the bigger conferences off though? Regardless, I just don't see the NFL looking at this crazy year and judging it the same as any other year. That people can't see that is part of how the human mind works but it's not a good reason to play football when cases are still high in many parts of the country.
No. The Big 12 is playing, the ACC is playing, and the SEC is scheduled to start later this month. The Big Ten and Pac-12 are considering a return.
Playing football is risky as it is, so I don't think CV will make that much of a difference to how the players approach things.
 

Dobre

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Interesting. Basically, it sounds like the theory is that mask wearing may decrease the infection dose enough to increase the percentage of asymptomatic cases.

"While this hypothesis needs to be backed up with more clinical study, experiments in hamsters have hinted at a connection between dose and disease. Earlier this year, a team of researchers in China found that hamsters housed behind a barrier made of surgical masks were less likely to get infected by the ********. And those who did contract the ***** became less sick than other animals without masks to protect them.

Some observations found in humans seem to support this as well. In a ******** outbreak on a closed Argentinian cruise ship, for example, where passengers were provided with surgical masks and staff with N95 masks, the rate of asymptomatic infection was 81 per cent. This is compared with 20 per cent in earlier cruise ship outbreaks without universal masking."
 

MacMadame

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Some more articles about C19. This one is one of those "by the numbers" that tries to give a picture through interesting stats:


And this is a really good article about why California's effort fell apart. It's about CA but I think it applies to the entire country. Also, it shows why a lack of direction from the top has had such a bad effect:

 

ballettmaus

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I'd guess the European priorities are more Louis-esque :lol: than many here would like to see, but the focus is clearly on getting ALL children back to school and pre-school and kindergarten as much as possible and therefor also allowing parents back to their workplaces as much as possible), which obviuosly doesn't work with social distancing in classrooms.
Which I think they can do considering that their case numbers are still a lot better than in a lot of places. But does it have to be without mask requirements for students and teachers, normal lunchtime (meaning bowls and plates of food are set on the table and kids serve themselves) and without cohorts?
Yes, Berlin has a preschool teacher shortage but they stuck anyone who did a 9-week course while working at the preschool into the preschool before YKW, so why can't they do it now?
 

Orm Irian

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For all the covidiots throwing their weight (and other people's fruit, so I hope they're all charged with theft) around in Victoria over the weekend, the Melbourne lockdown is working. Today there were 35 cases reported in the last 24 hours, and 6 deaths (it was originally reported as 7, but one was removed from the count due to duplication). And regional Victoria's rolling 14-day average is almost at the point where they can ease back restrictions even further; they had no new cases at all today.

When you think about where Melbourne was six weeks ago, with cases in the 700s per day, that's amazing.
 

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While talking to my neighbors about his brother's death, several more neighbors came around. We all stood 6 ft apart with our wine and said this winter is going to be bad since we can't do our normal dining out, traveling, etc. I said I may just be wrapped in winter clothing and sitting on the patio. Lori said she was thinking about a outdoor heater.
I said all the townhomes should buy one and we could still do our walkabout the walkway.

We are all dreading the cool weather and not being able to go out to eat on patios. I think it will be a very bad winter for everyone

You know it really did not need to be this way
 

Lacey

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My kids gave me an outdoor heater for my birthday, it's a way for us to keep having the grandkids over on the outside deck. They can play with my black Lab Lucy--the middle child, a 13-14 year old boy, has been teaching her tricks since our other dog died suddenly two months ago. Yes, you can teach an old dog new tricks, just can't get her to roll over.

We may get another heater for the other side of the deck so that we can "space out" 6' from each other--there are 5 of them and two of us.

It will also help me with my winter depression to be out in the sun.
 

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The company that makes Peeps has announced there will be no Halloween/Christmas/Valentines peeps. It is currently expecting to produce the candy for Easter. Production was reportedly halted for the safety of the employees.

In more serious news, Pfizer says it would like to expand its Stage 3 vaccine trial by nearly 50%, to 44,000 people. The goal is to get more minority participants; it currently has about 60% Caucasian test subjects and is due to hit the original goal of 30,000 total subjects next week.
 

Miezekatze

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Which I think they can do considering that their case numbers are still a lot better than in a lot of places. But does it have to be without mask requirements for students and teachers, normal lunchtime (meaning bowls and plates of food are set on the table and kids serve themselves) and without cohorts?
Yes, Berlin has a preschool teacher shortage but they stuck anyone who did a 9-week course while working at the preschool into the preschool before YKW, so why can't they do it now?
I'd guess there would be more protest against mandatory masks all day long than there would be for them.

Berlin is not exactly known to be a city with hords of disciplined rule-abiding citizens :shuffle:
(one has to say though, considering their rules were never very strict and it's the biggest city in Germany , it hasn't been hit much by this *********, which might be another reason why people are not all that disciplined).

I'd guess that masks will be mandatory during the height of the second wave in fall/winter, which might come a bit later in Germany than in other European states from the current look of the curves.

My state is starting school today after the summer holiday as the last state, we'll see how that goes.
 

Louis

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I'm glad the Mercury News article highlights the impact of poor communications:

“Deliver a clear and consistent message by trusted messengers,” said Lori Peek, director of the Natural Hazards Center at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

Instead, the messages were mixed, and confusing. Masks were useless, then essential. The ***** might kill you, or do nothing. Children are safe, except sometimes; schools are dangerous, depending. And the messengers were politicized: Republicans said the threat was exaggerated, killing jobs and undermining the president. Democrats warned of disaster, urging more spending.
I know people think of communications as "fluff," but C-19 should show everyone the importance of strong communications experts. The failures were shocking and had serious consequences for the US and the world.

I also think the article points toward the need of a "Swedish" approach -- a middle-ground approach that balances risks and benefits, can be implemented on a wide-scale without mass protests and divisiveness, and with a consistent set of restrictions / rules that don't keep changing over time. Even Nancy Pelosi (allegedly) doesn't know what the rules are in the U.S. The UK keeps changing the rules constantly, to the point that I truly have no idea what's allowed and not allowed and need to :COP: before I do anything. Of course, people are going to make mistakes in this environment, and some are going to get sick of it and just throw in the towel.
 

MsZem

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We're supposed to start a second lockdown on Friday at 2pm, for three weeks - coinciding with the Jewish High Holidays. Public sector will work on a limited basis, schools will be closed to in-person instruction except special education, service businesses are supposed to be delivery only, and we're supposed to stay within a 500m distance of home barring an essential purpose, which epidemiologists and other health professionals note "has no scientific/health-based rationale".
Of course, Israel being Israel there's an exception in place for synagogues, because the CV is observant and won't infect any religious people during services indoors. For up to 120 people :wall:

Also Bibi went to DC with his entire family to sign the normalization accords with the UAE, showing that he is truly a man of the people.
 

sk8pics

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They can play with my black Lab Lucy--the middle child, a 13-14 year old boy, has been teaching her tricks since our other dog died suddenly two months ago. Yes, you can teach an old dog new tricks, just can't get her to roll over.
Mythbusters did an episode on teaching old dogs new tricks once. It was super cute.

All this talk of outdoor heaters has me thinking about buying something for my screened in porch, so I can continue to have people over to visit outside.
 

SkateSand

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I look at how Canada is handling C V and just want to weep at how bad it is here in comparison. It didn't need to be this way. :wuzrobbed
 

PRlady

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Last night I "attended" the major gala that my old organization has every year in person in San Francisco; this year it was virtual, of course. They did an amazing job with videos and entertainment and speeches and it was truly a great experience.

But today my current organization's National Advocacy Summit is a lot of wonky talking heads. Of course it's not designed to inspire and raise money but to educate and help people advocate, but I'm almost asleep and it's not yet 3 PM. Virtual reality conferences are almost as bad as the real life variety, I think.
 

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Ventured out because it is such a nice day. I waited till after lunch, so people would be back at work. First, Menards to get a furnace filter. Crowded for a Monday, but at least it's a big store and the aisles are wide. (Oh, I had to park next to a big black pickup with trump stickers all over it. Yuck. But I was only three spaces from the door, so I did.) I know where I have to go in the store and can cut down aisles with nobody in them. There were five filters in their box and all of them were bent - unusable. There was a new box of the right size behind it, so I had to go get a clerk. And miracle of miracles, she was right down at the end of the aisle putting stuff away. Usually you can't find one when you need one. So she opened it. They weren't bent. So I got one. I only had to wait after one person at the checkout, who was far enough away. The checkout person had on a mask and gloves.

So, since I was halfway to Walmart and could just turn right, I thought I'd go look at frames. I didn't have my prescription with me. I wanted to wait till everybody was back in school so it wouldn't be crowded. They had a thing up to let one person in and took my temperature and asked me a couple questions. He had on a mask and gloves and I had to ask to see the frames. I asked when I got there which ones were the Caresource frames. He said any of them, but Caresource only pays for $17 of it. WTH? I got glasses in 2014 and 2016 and they were free. There was one section of ugly, cheap $9 ones. I paid more than that for reading glasses at the drug store. So I was looking for other ones - pink, of course. The first ones he handed me were $68 and I fell in love with them - dark, not bright, pink (deep, I can't explain without seeing them). The color and shape were good on my face. AARRGGHH. I got to take the mask away from my nose at first, and then my mouth. The $54 ones were too pale. And the third ones weren't shaped right. Man. They have to leave the glasses out to sanitize them. He said those are only for trying on, that if I picked out a pair, they would be in the back. He wrote down the stock number and stuff on a card so I could bring my prescription back. And they had hand sanitizer.

Then I looked for bootie slippers but I could tell they didn't have any from the main aisle. Too crowded cause it's right by the dressing room. And I got five yogurts. I just carried them. And I only touched the key pad with my knuckle, and sanitized when I got to the car. I had a wipe in a baggie with me, but I didn't want to open it just for that, and let it get dried out, so I used my little bottle.

Normally, I would have skipped the yogurt and gone to 2-3 other places to look for bootie slippers since I was out, but It's just so stressful trying to stay away from people. I guess I should wait till November anyway when they are stocking up for Christmas.
 

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So I was looking for other ones - pink, of course. The first ones he handed me were $68 and I fell in love with them - dark, not bright, pink (deep, I can't explain without seeing them). The color and shape were good on my face. AARRGGHH.
ETA - these are close (like anybody here cares!). The color looks different on and off her face, and it says raspberry in one place and burgundy in another. I can't remember what the nose piece looks like.
https://www.eyebuydirect.com/eyeglasses/frames/aroma-burgundy-l-20474

I didn't even get to see what the brand was because he was handing them to me. The card says B.E. 5761, and the location on the wall.
 
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Hedwig

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Which I think they can do considering that their case numbers are still a lot better than in a lot of places. But does it have to be without mask requirements for students and teachers, normal lunchtime (meaning bowls and plates of food are set on the table and kids serve themselves) and without cohorts?
Yes, Berlin has a preschool teacher shortage but they stuck anyone who did a 9-week course while working at the preschool into the preschool before YKW, so why can't they do it now?
We have about 300 people in critical conditions in hospital. In the whole of Germany with over 80 Million people.
To tighten the restrictions right now to such a level would IMO only serve to get more protests and let people stop complying with the current rules which will do more harm than good.

The rules at the moment seem to work. I dont expect them to suffice all autumn and winter but they will be tightened when the need arises.

It is honestly just not comparable to the situation in the US. Life here fells very normal. It is little things like not shaking hands and letting kids stay home with even just a runny nose but most of everyday life is normal again. Being cautious and keeping a bit more distance than before and wearing a mask in the supermarket also feels normal now. No big deal anymore.
Totally different to the situation in March and April and May.
 

Miezekatze

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We have about 300 people in critical conditions in hospital. In the whole of Germany with over 80 Million people.
To tighten the restrictions right now to such a level would IMO only serve to get more protests and let people stop complying with the current rules which will do more harm than good.

The rules at the moment seem to work. I dont expect them to suffice all autumn and winter but they will be tightened when the need arises.

It is honestly just not comparable to the situation in the US. Life here fells very normal. It is little things like not shaking hands and letting kids stay home with even just a runny nose but most of everyday life is normal again. Being cautious and keeping a bit more distance than before and wearing a mask in the supermarket also feels normal now. No big deal anymore.
Totally different to the situation in March and April and May.
Yeah and one can't forget that since the beginning of the ********* it's pretty much always the same 3 densely populated states of Germany that have relatively high numbers and the states that ARE more affected now also have stricter rules for schools at least temporarily or at least in hot spot cities.

But even in those states life is fairly normal apart from that.

But for the people in Eastern and Northern Germany, who have had nearly all the same rules as the rest of Germany all the time, even though they never had many infections, it would probably feel really bizarre if any restrictions were tightenend now.

I do except a 2nd wave in October and November, but I think it's hard to predict, how severe it will be. We're still doing better than Austria and Switzerland, but our rules are a bit stricter too. I do find it interesting that the biggest German cities so far have not necessarily been the most affected, it's really hard to predict how the ***** spread behaves IMO. I guess it has a lot to do with where people travel for work and leisure.
 

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I think this is the thread to share this. And I just had to share it because :eek:

So my oldest moved to Canada about 3 weeks ago. Did her 14 day quarantine and now that she's out of it wears a mask in public because she is a responsible human being.

So today she went to a store to get some stuff. Parks her car in the parking lot and proceeds to exit the car when some scruffy looking asshole in the car beside her asks her " I suppose if the government told you to jump off a bridge you would". She did nothing but exit her car wearing a mask, that is all it took this idiot to confront her?!

There is something fundamentally wrong with these anti-maskers.
 

FGRSK8

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I think this is the thread to share this. And I just had to share it because :eek:

So my oldest moved to Canada about 3 weeks ago. Did her 14 day quarantine and now that she's out of it wears a mask in public because she is a responsible human being.

So today she went to a store to get some stuff. Parks her car in the parking lot and proceeds to exit the car when some scruffy looking asshole in the car beside her asks her " I suppose if the government told you to jump off a bridge you would". She did nothing but exit her car wearing a mask, that is all it took this idiot to confront her?!

There is something fundamentally wrong with these anti-maskers.
Too bad these assholes and only these assholes caught the crud without giving it to anyone else. After 3 weeks on a ventilator, I think they would get religion......
 

ballettmaus

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I'd guess there would be more protest against mandatory masks all day long than there would be for them.
Speaking of protests, didn't they make masks mandatory for protests in Berlin?


To tighten the restrictions right now to such a level would IMO only serve to get more protests and let people stop complying with the current rules which will do more harm than good.
I think Germany has a tendency to do that but a few thousand people who are protesting restrictions that aren't really there shouldn't dictate preventitive health measures. We're talking about a mask mandate and physical distancing indoors here. I think they can all manage.


The rules at the moment seem to work. I dont expect them to suffice all autumn and winter but they will be tightened when the need arises.
Which, in a way, is typically German. Instead of getting out in front of it and implementing preventitive measures that will keep numbers down (mask mandate and physical distancing inside) they're waiting until cases rise. It's like (some) insurance companies - they don't pay for screenings and prophylactic doctor visits but they pay once you're sick.
 

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