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[Buzz]

Went outside today and almost no one had on masks.

 

[once_upon]

That's been my observation too. Since Ricketts ok's bars/restaurants open at 100% capacity, with social distancing (yeah like that's happening) little to mostly no mask wearing

 

[made_in_canada]

I'm seeing a lot more US license plates in my city. You pretty much have to drive through to get to Alaska so hopefully those people aren't being idiots about things and are taking reasonable precautions. My part of the province hasn't had a new case for over two weeks now and it would be really nice to keep it that way.

 

[Susan1]

Local news -
24 hour reported cases in Counties
Montgomery - 50 cases / 6 hosp.
Warren - 17 cases
Clark - 5 cases
Miami - 4 cases
Preble - 2 cases / 1 hosp.
Darke - 2 cases
Auglaize - 2 cases
Greene, Shelby and Mercer - 1 case each

Ohio 50,309 total cases
7,681 - hosp.
1,946 - ICU
2,807 - Deaths

 

[once_upon]

Pence is wearing and saying wear a mask.

 

[OlieRow]

People will deny and deny. One of our faculty is in quarantine because a restaurant had positive employees. They all eat out and they all crowd into tiny elevators. Our county doubled reported cases overnight and the governor just fired his infectious disease person because he didn't like what she was telling him about mandatory quarantining for people who'd been to the beach. It is more dangerous right now to be out and about than it was 3 months ago. I'm staying close to home for the next few weeks. Our hospital just reopened fully and nobody wants them to have to furlough again, but people are just stupid sometimes.

There's a lot of denial in SC at the moment......

I'm awaiting a refund for Dear Evan Hansen tickets from my local theater. Since I bought them from the theater in a presale, no extra fees, so I should get back the full amount. Initially, they said they were trying to reschedule (it was in early May) for the fall, then said they couldn't, but it would be on the schedule for the 21-22 season (fine with me, maybe we'll have a vaccine by then). They offered a credit or refund and if we wanted a refund, we had to click through and fill out a form, and then wait until some date in mid-July. But I should be getting a refund eventually.

Saw Dear Evan Hansen last year and it was good! I had gotten tickets for Hamilton in Atlanta for May as a little get away with the boyfriend. Felt odd buying them 6 months in advance 4-5 months into the relationship and then the tickets got moved to August. They've since been moved again to September 2021 so who knows how that'll end up.

I have been running statistics on this outbreak since it began in February and have numbers all the way back to then.

I have no explanation at this time but the numbers are beginning to indicate that the crud maybe undergoing some kind of change. The crud seems to be more contagious but not as lethal and the median age of the infected is dropping. This trend has gone on now for about a month, both on the worldwide numbers as well as the US numbers.

Like I said, I have no explanation but the numbers are saying something is definitely changing....

I hope it's become less lethal but I wonder if it's just younger patients with fewer comorbidities so they're handling the ***** better? That being said, we know patients that get sick are going to start to deteriorate about a week in and can languish in the ICU for weeks so the ICU rate/mortality rate will lag. It's anecdotal but we admitted a 27 yo and one of my colleagues admitted a 36 yo last night. Then a 46 yo with hypertension/diabetes/obesity that I admitted on 24th who was just breathing a tad fast ended up in the ICU yesterday despite having received convalescent plasma and the various experimental meds as his oxygen requirements progressively increased. He hadn't required a ventilator yet but wasn't doing great on high flow oxygen. I hope he does okay.

 

[once_upon]

I hope it's become less lethal but I wonder if it's just younger patients with fewer comorbidities so they're handling the ***** better? That being said, we know patients that get sick are going to start to deteriorate about a week in and can languish in the ICU for weeks so the ICU rate/mortality rate will lag. It's anecdotal but we admitted a 27 yo and one of my colleagues admitted a 36 yo last night. Then a 46 yo with hypertension/diabetes/obesity that I admitted on 24th who was just breathing a tad fast ended up in the ICU yesterday despite having received convalescent plasma and the various experimental meds as his oxygen requirements progressively increased. He hadn't required a ventilator yet but wasn't doing great on high flow oxygen. I hope he does okay.

I'm hoping that if I get it, high dose steroids and remdesvar is available for me. One article I read from Nebraska Med Center staff said they didnt know who was getting remdesvar and who wasnt, but it was pretty easy to guess by the course of illness.

Of course I'm doing everything to avoid the plague.

 

[flyingsit]

In Colorado the death rate of those hospitalized has dropped, and the average length of hospitalization has gone from 12 days in April to 7 days now.

 

[Garden Kitty]

I got my hair cut today and the salon is located at the mall. It's the first store when you enter the mall, so I didn't need to go through the mall, but I was shocked how many people were at the mall. But the people at the mall may have been shocked people were getting their hair cut.

Luckily, everyone I saw entering the mall was wearing masks and the salon was being very careful with their precautions. They called the day before to ask if you were sick or had traveled outside the region. You had to wait in your car and wash your hands upon entering. They were using disposable covers and had only 1 out of every 3 stations in use. Other employees were sanitizing everything after it was used.

 

[Jimena]

From the CDC graphs (and a seminar) I saw last week, the high death rate at the beginning was truly driven by the horrible situation in the northeast. Now, the patients are younger. Ergo, the lower death rate.

Over here in PR, we are doing better. We are helping PRDH figure out their extensive data mess and the real numbers are pretty good! Sigh of relief, let me tell you. Our incidence is pretty low and we're in a downward trajectory. Our biggest risk seems to be travelers. We've had two recent clusters of people that came from then US and infected their families here. And one pulmonary specialist mentioned that one patient who's on a ventilator right now actually flew sick from Florida because he couldn't get care there. Our Governor seems reluctant to mandate quarantine for travelers coming from hotspots. It would be difficult to enforce.

 

[Dobre]

Washington State:
Study finds Yakima County's mask use making a difference . . .
https://www.yakimaherald.com/special_projects/********/update/study-finds-yakima-countys-mask-use-making-a-difference-but-cases-increase-by-130/article_7b481937-646e-57e9-a6a0-378e2dadf312.html

Also, while 130 was the number from yesterday, Yakima's new cases for today were 71.


Texas:
-********: 'Swift and dangerous turn' in Texas cases, says governor
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53215501

The vice president cancelled/postponed his planned group event in Texas but he was there today. (As once_upon said above, he wore a mask and recommended one).

"The vice-president also urged Texans to wear masks 'wherever its indicated', saying 'we know from experience, it will slow the spread of the ********'."

He is also quoted as pledging that Texas will have federal support with testing, resources, & supplies.

-The city of Austin is requiring face coverings "in some circumstances."

Claiming confusion, Texas Medical Center changes how it reports ICU capacity amid *********-19
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...base-ICU-capacity-15372256.php#photo-19609811

"Texas Medical Center hospitals . . . which together constitute the world’s largest medical complex — reported Thursday that their base intensive care capacity had hit 100 percent for the first time during the ********* and was on pace to exceed an “unsustainable surge capacity” of intensive care beds by July 6.

 

[overedge]

Last week the provincial health officer announced that an employee at a fast-food restaurant in [name of health region] had tested positive. This health region is a large region and of course there are lots of fast-food restaurants in it, so I didn't think much of it. Nearly all of the fast-food restaurants are only open for drive-through.

Yesterday it was revealed that the restaurant is a McDonald's about five minutes away from me. A McDonald's that I went to last week for a latte. The health region noted the time and day of the last shift that the employee worked, and said that anyone who went through the drive-through that day should self-isolate. Also the restaurant will be closed for "deep cleaning".

Thankfully the employee with the v*r*s was not working on the day I went there, but fcuk that place, I won't be going back again

 

[Tony Wheeler]

Last week the provincial health officer announced that an employee at a fast-food restaurant in [name of health region] had tested positive. This health region is a large region and of course there are lots of fast-food restaurants in it, so I didn't think much of it. Nearly all of the fast-food restaurants are only open for drive-through.

Yesterday it was revealed that the restaurant is a McDonald's about five minutes away from me. A McDonald's that I went to last week for a latte. The health region noted the time and day of the last shift that the employee worked, and said that anyone who went through the drive-through that day should self-isolate. Also the restaurant will be closed for "deep cleaning".

Thankfully the employee with the v*r*s was not working on the day I went there, but fcuk that place, I won't be going back again

I guess I'm missing something here, but what exactly is the logic of fcuk that place? There are MANY places that are having employees test positive- they can't control what people are doing outside of work. Maybe the employee wasn't even showing any symptoms. But they are taking the steps necessary now to get back to business. This isn't the first nor anywhere near the last time this is going to happen in the next few months.

 

[Miezekatze]

I guess I'm missing something here, but what exactly is the logic of fcuk that place? There are MANY places that are having employees test positive- they can't control what people are doing outside of work. Maybe the employee wasn't even showing any symptoms. But they are taking the steps necessary now to get back to business. This isn't the first nor anywhere near the last time this is going to happen in the next few months.

Yeah and everybody going to a McDonalds or any other place as customer could end up being the person who causes a whole place to be closed down temporarily, when it turns out he was infected and didn't know it yet.

It's not going to help businesses being responsible and informing authorities and customers about infections , if the customers then react with "yuck, I'm never going to go there again!".

 

[FGRSK8]

Welcome to the post P world. This is the new normal and people are just going to have to accept it and deal with it, which will require a change of attitude as well. People who thinks things are going back to normal as it was before are going to get a rude awakening. We are seeing it in some of the southern states where young people are packing the bars like they did before and you can see the results.

A vaccine will be helpful but there are still many questions there.

It boils down to the simple fact, accept the new normal and it’s rules. To do otherwise, risk getting this crud with potentially serious consequences.

 

[allezfred]

The mixed messaging on asymptomatic/presymptomatic/unsymptomatic carriers of YKW contributed to the spread.

How the World Missed Covid-19’s Silent Spread

Symptomless transmission makes the ******** far harder to fight. But health officials dismissed the risk for months, pushing misleading and contradictory claims in the face of mounting evidence.

tinyurl.com

Act as if you have it.

 

[once_upon]

The mixed messaging on asymptomatic/presymptomatic/unsymptomatic carriers of YKW contributed to the spread.

How the World Missed Covid-19’s Silent Spread

Symptomless transmission makes the ******** far harder to fight. But health officials dismissed the risk for months, pushing misleading and contradictory claims in the face of mounting evidence.

tinyurl.com

Act as if you have it.

This is scary. As one article I read..we have only 22-24 weeks of experience with it and we really dont know a lot about it. We used to think those under 40 didnt get it or only had mild disease. New numbers, new cases are telling us something different.

 

[once_upon]

Sorry double post, but this falls into the what were they thinking. A Facebook friend from church had her 40th birthday party yesterday, with lots of alcohol involved from what I can tell. At least she is making contact tracing a little easier, as she named and thanked attendees for coming.

I guess I was never real big about "milestone" birthdays, but in the middle of a ********* and all the stories of outbreaks related to birthday parties, family celebrations I would not deliberately plan a party with family and friends.

Three of my grandchildren have birthdays in July and August. I dont think we will be doing parties. I know I wont be doing the traditional taking them out to a special grandparent dinner.

 

[gkelly]

I'm going to celebrate my birthday in a few days.

I'll go for a distanced hike with my sister earlier in the day.

Then I'll have a meal and cake outdoors in her yard, with sister and her husband and son sitting at their regular outdoor table and me and one other friend each seated at a separate little side table, so we can maintain at least 6 ft distance between people who don't live together.

Also we'll have Zoom call with extended family members in other parts of the US.

This isn't a milestone birthday, but this year I couldn't do much more than the above even if it were.

With luck it will be possible to do more next year, but time will tell.

 

[Cachoo]

The local health department has cut back on asymptomatic testing because they have been overwhelmed with test requests. It is also happening in other counties as well. Our gov had a plan and the Republican legislature fought her on it. It was turned over to individual counties who seemed to throw up their hands rather than continue her measures.
As another poster put it: We are phased out: Here we are in "spread the ***** freely" phase. And boy is it spreading.

 

[overedge]

Yeah and everybody going to a McDonalds or any other place as customer could end up being the person who causes a whole place to be closed down temporarily, when it turns out he was infected and didn't know it yet.

It's not going to help businesses being responsible and informing authorities and customers about infections , if the customers then react with "yuck, I'm never going to go there again!".

This particular McDonald's has a lot of employee turnover, the employees that are working there are exceptionally grumpy, and it wasn't the cleanest place at the best of times. I don't trust the owners' ability to "deep clean" sufficiently, and I don't trust how the owners are treating the employees. I don't think this is a corporate issue, as there is another McDonald's nearby with different owners that has much less turnover and is cleaned much more thoroughly and regularly.

So I won't be going back.

 

[canbelto]

Jacksonville FL mayor now requiring masks. Uh oh. Trump isn’t going to like that during the convention.

 

[Tony Wheeler]

This particular McDonald's has a lot of employee turnover, the employees that are working there are exceptionally grumpy, and it wasn't the cleanest place at the best of times. I don't trust the owners' ability to "deep clean" sufficiently, and I don't trust how the owners are treating the employees. I don't think this is a corporate issue, as there is another McDonald's nearby with different owners that has much less turnover and is cleaned much more thoroughly and regularly.

So, yes, I won't be going back.

Then you shouldn't have gone back to begin with, if that's the whole thing. And I'd question why you went during the situation we have in the world. But your added CV argument makes no sense and you better brace yourself for a lot of other businesses having to close down because of one or two employees testing positive at some point.

 

[skipaway]

Jacksonville FL mayor now requiring masks. Uh oh. Trump isn’t going to like that during the convention.

Nah, he’ll just get his Republican Governor DeSantis to over rule the local mayor. Easy.

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

This particular McDonald's has a lot of employee turnover, the employees that are working there are exceptionally grumpy, and it wasn't the cleanest place at the best of times. I don't trust the owners' ability to "deep clean" sufficiently, and I don't trust how the owners are treating the employees.

Thank you for the prudent reminder to not order a saccharine latte from the dirty local burger establishment with disgruntled employees.

Went outside today and almost no one had on masks.

I thought wearing masks outside is not required so much as you are not in a crowd?

-BB

 

[skatemomaz]

I'm going to celebrate my birthday in a few days.

I'll go for a distanced hike with my sister earlier in the day.

Then I'll have a meal and cake outdoors in her yard, with sister and her husband and son sitting at their regular outdoor table and me and one other friend each seated at a separate little side table, so we can maintain at least 6 ft distance between people who don't live together.

Also we'll have Zoom call with extended family members in other parts of the US.

This isn't a milestone birthday, but this year I couldn't do much more than the above even if it were.

With luck it will be possible to do more next year, but time will tell.

We recently celebrated my mother's 90th birthday. Outside in my sister's back yard. Tables 6 feet apart, no more than 3 at the table, masks, food in individual boxes so no sharing of dishes. It worked really well, and was a great way to celebrate.

 

[once_upon]

This particular McDonald's has a lot of employee turnover, the employees that are working there are exceptionally grumpy, and it wasn't the cleanest place at the best of times. I don't trust the owners' ability to "deep clean" sufficiently, and I don't trust how the owners are treating the employees. I don't think this is a corporate issue, as there is another McDonald's nearby with different owners that has much less turnover and is cleaned much more thoroughly and regularly.

So I won't be going back.

So it really wasn't C-19 that was the issue. You were just looking for something to blame for not returning to that McDonald's.

 

[overedge]

So it really wasn't C-19 that was the issue. You were just looking for something to blame for not returning to that McDonald's.

No. The C-19 is the last straw.

 

[Debbie S]

What worries me when "an employee" at a grocery store or any establishment tests positive is the probability that they've infected other employees. While the store may announce they closed early for "deep cleaning", I would assume that the positive employee has had close contact with other employees and while they might all be asymptomatic now, they may very well have it and not know it. They obviously can't quarantine everyone while continuing to operate b/c then they would have no employees. I wish there was a law/order that required stores to close for as long as it takes each employee to be tested and get the results.

 

[Tony Wheeler]

What worries me when "an employee" at a grocery store or any establishment tests positive is the probability that they've infected other employees. While the store may announce they closed early for "deep cleaning", I would assume that the positive employee has had close contact with other employees and while they might all be asymptomatic now, they may very well have it and not know it. They obviously can't quarantine everyone while continuing to operate b/c then they would have no employees. I wish there was a law/order that required stores to close for as long as it takes each employee to be tested and get the results.

I'm sure that when these things happen, all of said employees would go get tested as well, or at least get tested before coming back. And as @Miezekatze pointed out, there's also the possibility that it came from a customer, who could've gone from A to B to C and had the same thing happen to employees in each location.