Meandering Gerrymandering & Other Voting Issues

Artistic Skaters

Drawing Figures
Messages
7,458
Oh Oh OHIO!!! The state will have to redraw those districts in time for the 2020 election if this decision stands. We must express our appreciation to the League of Women Voters and the ACLU for their hard work on this case, since the new anti-gerrymandering regulations aren't due to take effect until 2021.

*** Federal judges toss out Ohio’s congressional map as illegal gerrymander :
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2019...congressional-map-as-illegal-gerrymander.html
“We join the other federal courts that have held partisan gerrymandering unconstitutional and developed substantially similar standards for adjudicating such claims,” the ruling read in part.

“We are convinced by the evidence that this partisan gerrymander was intentional and effective and that no legitimate justification accounts for its extremity. ... the 2012 map dilutes the votes of Democratic voters by packing and cracking them into districts that are so skewed toward one party that the electoral outcome is predetermined. We conclude that the map unconstitutionally burdens associational rights by making it more difficult for voters and certain organizations to advance their aims, be they pro-Democratic or pro- democracy."
Important questions are at stake. Will I get the Trump loving former used car salesman with the sketchy family business again or the wonderful high ranking well spoken congresswoman as my representative in 2020? :lol:

As OH joins MD, PA, MI and NC seeking legal redress for the extreme gerrymandering, and with 2020 around the bend, it seems like a good time to start a topic to specifically discuss voting issues and regulations.
 
Last edited:

caseyedwards

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,284
The 2018 elections in which democrats won the house when supposedly it was impossible due to gerrymandering confirms that it’s a phony issue! Gerrymandering can not prevent a party from winning a seat it’s not supposed to.
 

Artistic Skaters

Drawing Figures
Messages
7,458
You probably don't live in a state like MD where some voters in suburban DC have to vote with all of western MD, or OH where some big metropolitan areas are split into three or four districts. But since 75% of the state's voters and a bipartisan panel of judges strongly disagree with you, I'll leave you to your minority opinion.

There is a new suit filed today in TN regarding a recent law regarding restrictions affecting voter registration groups.

*** New Tennessee law punishes voter signup missteps; suit filed :
https://www.apnews.com/934cfbeca8e1408d8d9ce84c9d9ab5a0
 

caseyedwards

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,284
It’s like the results of the 2018 and reality can’t break the fantasy narrative of repression of democrats! Facts are in and in gerrymandered states democrats picked up many seats because gerrymandering can’t prevent voters desires if they are strong enough! Republicans lost extreme gerrymandered seats for them all over the country. In Michigan, Kansas, Georgia, Texas, South Carolina, Utah and so many more! In blue states in districts democrats designed to pack republicans into districts to elect republicans and voted for trump democrats won. Like in NY. Max rose! And upstate NY. Gerrymandering is real and may not be liked but it doesn’t work at all.
 

MacMadame

Staying at home
Staff member
Messages
35,186
because gerrymandering can’t prevent voters desires if they are strong enough!
But they can prevent voters desires if they just the majority and not an overwhelming majority. Apparently that's okay with you but it's not with me. We shouldn't have to work twice as hard to get the will of the public reflected in the voting.
 

Rogue

Sexy Superhero
Messages
1,173
It’s like the results of the 2018 and reality can’t break the fantasy narrative of repression of democrats! Facts are in and in gerrymandered states democrats picked up many seats because gerrymandering can’t prevent voters desires if they are strong enough! Republicans lost extreme gerrymandered seats for them all over the country. In Michigan, Kansas, Georgia, Texas, South Carolina, Utah and so many more! In blue states in districts democrats designed to pack republicans into districts to elect republicans and voted for trump democrats won. Like in NY. Max rose! And upstate NY. Gerrymandering is real and may not be liked but it doesn’t work at all.
Did you stop to consider that the reason Democrats won districts originally gerrymandered to elect Republicans is because so many voters are leaving the Republican Party due to the current party leadership? Gerrymandering only works if you can keep your party intact.
 

caseyedwards

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,284
But they can prevent voters desires if they just the majority and not an overwhelming majority. Apparently that's okay with you but it's not with me. We shouldn't have to work twice as hard to get the will of the public reflected in the voting.
All that matters is that democrats could win extreme republican gerrymanders. That it was not impossible for democrats to win the house
Did you stop to consider that the reason Democrats won districts originally gerrymandered to elect Republicans is because so many voters are leaving the Republican Party due to the current party leadership? Gerrymandering only works if you can keep your party intact.
Yes! It’s one of my main beliefs. So many millions of the republicans in suburban Atlanta, Dallas, Detroit, Orange County, Kansas City, are now democrats because of trump. This is why gerrymandering completely failed in 2018. Almost all the effects of gerrymandering were eliminated
 

Artistic Skaters

Drawing Figures
Messages
7,458
*** Redistricting Guru's Hard Drives Could Mean Legal, Political Woes for GOP :
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/7302...rives-could-mean-legal-political-woes-for-gop
"Redistricting is like an election in reverse! It's a great event," he said with a smile at a National Conference of State Legislatures event in 2000. "Usually the voters get to pick the politicians. In redistricting, the politicians get to pick the voters!"

A mapmaker and Republican strategist, he saw holes in the democratic system that could be exploited by technology and guile. Hofeller, who died in August 2018, saw a way to turn small vote margins into supermajorities for GOP legislators. Now a trove of his data has been uncovered that could undo some of the work he spent decades perfecting.
A Campaign Legal Center poll from earlier this year found that about two-thirds of likely 2020 voters view gerrymandering unfavorably. Tokaji says the public getting a closer look at the unsavory details of Hofeller's work will only fuel those feelings.

"I think it's a little bit like the Wizard of Oz," he said. "It allows those of us who have not been in the backroom to see behind the curtain, and see the real partisan agenda behind some of these decisions."

The more the public knows and understands about the practice, the less brazen politicians may be when lines are redrawn in 2021.
 

Buzz

Well-Known Member
Messages
33,376
This morning is the first time I have heard this. In an email a GOP aide referred to Democratic voters as garbage. This is not new news but it is new to me and shocking that American voters who just happen to not vote the GOP way can be referred to as “garbage”.
 

ballettmaus

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,295
A federal appeals court ruled that a state can't remove an elector or nullify their vote after they have been chosen. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...-ruling-just-changed-how-we-pick-our-n1044961

Because the Constitution contains no requirement for electors to follow the wishes of a political party, "the electors, once appointed, are free to vote as they choose," assuming that they cast their vote for a legally qualified candidate.
The federal court ruling conflicts with a decision from Washington state's Supreme Court in May, which said electors must follow the results of the popular vote. "The power of electors to vote comes from the state, and the elector has no personal right to that role,” the court said.
 

Reuven

Official FSU Alte Kacher
Messages
15,794
A federal appeals court ruled that a state can't remove an elector or nullify their vote after they have been chosen. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...-ruling-just-changed-how-we-pick-our-n1044961
It's a feature, not a bug. The founders didn't trust the populace, so they came up with the Electoral College and the concept of "faithless electors" to be able to override the popular vote. And, the EC also gave southern states with lower populations the ability to be able to count 3/5ths of their property toward districting. It's time for the EC to be abolished.
 

ballettmaus

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,295
The Russian troll farm targeted Maryland in 2016 in an effort to increase racial division and discourage African American voters. Missouri was the second-most targeted state after Maryland. https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...d-was-never-play-russians-targeted-it-anyway/

A Washington Post review of government-commissioned reports and interviews with experts revealed that the Russian campaign homed in on Maryland specifically in a way that set it apart from most other states.

In addition to creating @BaltimoreOnline, the IRA bought more Facebook ads targeting Maryland than any other state — 285, according to Oxford University’s Computational Propaganda Research Project and Graphika, two of three organizations that analyzed social media data for Congress. Of those, 193 targeted Baltimore in particular.

Most of the Twitter accounts and publicly-available Facebook ads targeting Marylanders, a Post analysis showed, played up racial injustice, including one ad that displayed pictures of Gray, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice, two others killed by police elsewhere.
“I have no doubt the Russians are doing the same kind of homework right now that they did in 2015 and 2017 to produce the most potent disinformation campaigns in 2020," said Woolley. "The propaganda research community is already seeing signs that new forms of digital manipulation are being tested in the buildup to the next U.S. election.”
Experts say Russia has every reason to use social media again to influence the 2020 elections. “Why shouldn’t they? It worked well,” said Donald Freese, a former FBI deputy assistant director of IT operations and cyber defense and now an adviser at PriceWaterhouseCoopers’ cybersecurity team.
"Compared to the relatively low costs of a misinformation campaign, the scope and the reach is just huge," said Lucan Ways, a political scientist at the University of Toronto who has studied the Russian 2016 election operation
 

caseyedwards

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,284
I wonder if it violates first amendment to say American social media companies are banned from allowing people from Russia to join them! Facebook itself could ban anyone from Russia. Any Russian IP addresses or any spoofed Ip address

 

Artistic Skaters

Drawing Figures
Messages
7,458
In my mind I'm going to Carolina … Can't you see the sunshine? … Can't you just feel the moonshine? ...
Lawmakers' partisan intent in drawing the maps, the "surgical precision" with which they were executed, and the distinct advantage the maps gave to Republicans violated the state’s constitutional protections of free elections, free speech and assembly, and equal protection under the law, the judges wrote in a 357-page ruling that reads as a stinging condemnation of partisan gerrymandering.

"The 2017 Enacted Maps, as drawn, do not permit voters to freely choose their representative, but rather representatives are choosing voters based upon sophisticated partisan sorting," the judges wrote. "It is not the free will of the People that is ascertained through extreme partisan gerrymandering. Rather, it is the carefully crafted will of the map drawer that predominates."
 
Last edited:

Vagabond

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,877
He has probably seen polls indicating that he is vulnerable on the issue of loyalty to his own country.
 

ballettmaus

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,295
^And an amendment is all he manages before he breaks out in hives because he's actually doing something for the country for a change? :D
 

caseyedwards

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,284

pollyanna

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,527
Researchers easily breached voting machines for the 2020 election

The voting machines that the US will use in the 2020 election are still vulnerable to hacks. A group of ethical hackers tested a bunch of those voting machines and election systems (most of which they bought on eBay). They were able to crack into every machine, The Washington Post reports. Their tests took place this summer at a Def Con cybersecurity conference, but the group visited Washington to share their findings yesterday.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top
Do Not Sell My Personal Information