ISU Junior Grand Prix 2022-23 announcement

Foolhardy Ham Lint

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This is going to be completely personal, but I preferred it done like this (from Kerrigan, not the man who's with her):


It's a junior skate (albeit at junior worlds) so I think the comparison is fair. We can say the commentators no longer need to talk about each element because we have a tech box now, but I do wish we had some commentary about what the skater was doing well during the skate as well.

Barton/Hanretty talk after the skate, when the elements and the skating are already done, and it doesn't quite seem spontaneous to me, and loses value. Additionally, they go into too much detail (well, probably because they didn't talk at all during the skate, so they cram it all in at the end), which I don't care for when I'm just trying to mull over the skate myself and waiting for the scores to come out. Same goes for the talking during the warm-ups. It was just all a bit much.

I also just plain don't like their personalities and the pairing makes it worse, nor do I care for what they have to say about skaters and programs in general (this applied to Hanretty's senior commentary too, although I don't remember which ones he did last season).

Maybe the point to of staying quiet during the skating is to treat it like a performance, but then I'd just prefer no commentary at all, let me digest it all on my own. I guess the good thing is I can skip straight to scores without needing to listen to any of it? Or give me something like Dick Button during senior grand prixs (I'm going to be watching the Canadian team if they're going to be on this season, whom I do usually like).
For some reason I'm reminded of a recent interview with Barbra Streisand, where she was asked about whether she had ever considered rhinoplasty.

"So what. I have a big nose," she replied. "But you can't have everything."
 

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I recall that early in her career Streisand looked into rhinoplasty, but decided against it when doctors told her they could not guarantee that changing the shape of her nose would not affect her singing voice.
 

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I recall that early in her career Streisand looked into rhinoplasty, but decided against it when doctors told her they could not guarantee that changing the shape of her nose would not affect her singing voice.
Same with Freddie Mercury and his overbite.
 

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USFS Int'l Assignments page confirms Neset/Markelov's withdrawal from JGP Baltic Cup as of 10/1.

I do have to wonder if there is some sort of injury situation rather than a visa issue, mostly because the USFS usually assigns their top skaters to the first three JGPs (Seo, Kalin, Soho Lee, Baram/Tioumentsev, Pham/Rogers; last season Malinin, Thorngren, Levito, Wolfkostin/Chen, Browns, etc) and we were all wondering why Neset/Markelov weren't assigned until Yerevan. We know that Annis was supposed to have been assigned to one of the earlier ones, but then he had that small injury that kept him even from JGP Armenia after he was assigned, and that Broussard didn't even get a JGP assignment until he competed in a NQS event. At this point, I'm sort of worried that Neset/Markelov won't even make it to Egna next week. :(
 

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Man so many responses. I won't broach the topic again because I just won't be listening, but I wanted to clarify what I meant by "but I do wish we had some commentary about what the skater was doing well during the skate as well. Barton/Hanretty talk after the skate, when the elements and the skating are already done, and it doesn't quite seem spontaneous to me, and loses value."

When Kerrigan points out in that video that Kim speeds up and slows down with the music, and also later that she has nice rise and fall in the knees, it adds to the viewing experience because the audience now knows what to look for and why Kim was able to enhance the music. Compare this to Barton/Hanretty, and I get mostly generic comments that don't really inform me why a skater did what they did well. Additionally, I can't keep an eye out for it during the skating, nor can I see what the effect was during the replay because it's mostly focused on tech elements and without the music at that.

People like Dick Button/Peggy Fleming used to do the same with their better commentary too IMO.

Further, I think the focus on things like just saying "skating skills are good, deep edges" and "nice transition" well... I get why it exists, but as a general criticism of most of the current commentators, I don't really need the breakdown of each worthless CoP point. It adds nothing for me, and it doesn't really inform me how it made for a good performance overall. Same goes for breaking down the jumps or spins at the end. In this regard, people like Kurt Browning and Tracey Wilson do better. In terms of skating skills and performance, the entire Canadian team does better for me (as do Charlie/Tanith). IDK who'll agree with me on this, maybe @VGThuy? But not sure she watched, and probably watches the American TV versions for seniors.

I agree people like Tara/Johnny and Wagner are rather terrible and just don't shut up, but I think informative commentary in between is okay, and that it should add to the performance, or just shouldn't exist. Further when a skater is bombing, I like the commentary expressing empathy to distract me from what's happening.

I also don't really see skating as an art, so I don't care if someone talks over the music (as long as it's not distracting like with the aforementioned Americans). If I loved a performance, I'll go search for a no-commentary version, but I've thought that about maybe 15 performances in total.

That's that. Not going to be watching the juniors, and will look for some other stream if these two pop up on the international one.
 
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I like informative commentary during a performance so long as it's professional-sounding and the commentators aren't falling over their words. I also like broadcast-sounding voices (so Johnny and Tara will never do it for me as their voices simply don't sound good on the mic to me). I don't need a full paragraph though. Just point out what the team is doing here and there. I also don't need the commentary to be fluff either unless it's before or after the performance. Ben Agosto and Tanith were my favorite American broadcast team. Charlie is good too but I think Ben is more eloquent. Tanith on her own can sometimes talk too much but I think she's really into the skaters and performances that she's reacting in a way a fan would at times (not in a bad way but more like...if she sees the TES tracker is surprisingly low at a certain point of a program, she may talk more to try to comprehend it herself).

Now, I do like it when a broadcast STARTS the competition with a "test" team where they use them to explain all the itemized elements to look for during the RD or FD, and then do a slight reminder here and there for the following teams afterwards.
 

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I also just plain don't like their personalities and the pairing makes it worse, nor do I care for what they have to say about skaters and programs in general
That's that. Not going to be watching the juniors
Thank you for taking the time for providing a very different perspective.

I really appreciate that Mark's research goes beyond reading the ISU bios (especially gleaning info directly from the skaters and coaches on site) and think he's been a great asset and addition to the JGP broadcasts this season. :)
 
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I sometimes roll my eyes at Ted's poetic raptures a little bit and I think they deserve some criticism for doing Mie Hamada's PR (and Eteri's before the Russian ban) when she's a documented abuser, but overall I don't mind Ted and Mark, I like that they're positive about all junior skaters and talk to them in person/support them in various small ways, not all of which become public knowledge, and I really appreciate their silence during the performances.

So I don't think they're flawless, but they do a good job overall, they seem like nice people who care about young skaters, and they don't detract from my enjoyment the way virtually all other commentators do when they talk over the music.
 

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Man so many responses. I won't broach the topic again because I just won't be listening, but I wanted to clarify what I meant by "but I do wish we had some commentary about what the skater was doing well during the skate as well. Barton/Hanretty talk after the skate, when the elements and the skating are already done, and it doesn't quite seem spontaneous to me, and loses value."

When Kerrigan points out in that video that Kim speeds up and slows down with the music, and also later that she has nice rise and fall in the knees, it adds to the viewing experience because the audience now knows what to look for and why Kim was able to enhance the music. Compare this to Barton/Hanretty, and I get mostly generic comments that don't really inform me why a skater did what they did well. Additionally, I can't keep an eye out for it during the skating, nor can I see what the effect was during the replay because it's mostly focused on tech elements and without the music at that.

People like Dick Button/Peggy Fleming used to do the same with their better commentary too IMO.

Further, I think the focus on things like just saying "skating skills are good, deep edges" and "nice transition" well... I get why it exists, but as a general criticism of most of the current commentators, I don't really need the breakdown of each worthless CoP point. It adds nothing for me, and it doesn't really inform me how it made for a good performance overall. Same goes for breaking down the jumps or spins at the end. In this regard, people like Kurt Browning and Tracey Wilson do better. In terms of skating skills and performance, the entire Canadian team does better for me (as do Charlie/Tanith). IDK who'll agree with me on this, maybe @VGThuy? But not sure she watched, and probably watches the American TV versions for seniors.

I agree people like Tara/Johnny and Wagner are rather terrible and just don't shut up, but I think informative commentary in between is okay, and that it should add to the performance, or just shouldn't exist. Further when a skater is bombing, I like the commentary expressing empathy to distract me from what's happening.

I also don't really see skating as an art, so I don't care if someone talks over the music (as long as it's not distracting like with the aforementioned Americans). If I loved a performance, I'll go search for a no-commentary version, but I've thought that about maybe 15 performances in total.

That's that. Not going to be watching the juniors, and will look for some other stream if these two pop up on the international one.
each to his own.
 

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