Insurrectionists and subversives: Trump and his supporters (Thread for all things Trump)

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“The 2020 presidential election was not stolen,” Cheney tweeted. “Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system.”

Liz Cheney speaking up again to counter Trump's bullshit.

Its really hard having to admire Liz Cheney, but she is really showing some courage here. The whole party is turning on her, yet she's keeping on. I may disagree with her on almost anything else, but this one thing is the most important.
 

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I'm a lot more comfortable with Mitt Romney of the Republicans challenging Trump but I have to wonder if maybe Cheney isn't the one who has the force of personality to perhaps create a nucleus of a non-Trump Republican renewal.

That might be a be careful what you wish for kind of thing, but I do feel there has got to be someway out of fealty to Trump for Republicans.
 

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A dumb thought on the Giuliani - Trump relationship. Trump was not paying Giuliani during the Ukraine business. So Trump was not the customer.

Perhaps it was a case of the old saying:

"If you are not the customer, you're the product."

Which makes Rudy the salesman, collecting a commission. At his quoted rate of $20k/day, there must have been serious money flowing to make this relationship worth Rudy's while...
 

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And in the meantime, Facebook's Oversight Board will announce Wednesday if they think a would-be authoritarian and instigator of an insurrection may be allowed back on their platform. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/05/03/facebook-trump-decision-faq/
I've been getting emails from Move On about this. It's really disgusting. I don't profit from my Facebook account, but I do use it to gather data from a specific subset of people for a website I'm managing. If Facebook does this, I'm going to have to figure something else out. I can't support this.
 

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I'm a lot more comfortable with Mitt Romney of the Republicans challenging Trump but I have to wonder if maybe Cheney isn't the one who has the force of personality to perhaps create a nucleus of a non-Trump Republican renewal.

That might be a be careful what you wish for kind of thing, but I do feel there has got to be someway out of fealty to Trump for Republicans.
It’s either trump or regime change wars built on lies. That’s what cheney is. She wants more wars, more nation building, more killing American soldiers to enrich companies like Halliburton. That’s what republicans have rejected and what the American people have rejected. There can be no doubt that in the total scale of things trumpnism is much much better than cheneyism! Than neoconservatism. After the Cold War a horrible cult rose up in the Republican party and took it over in 2000. And that’s neoconservativism. The worst ideology of all time to take control of America

Why did romenyism fail to take root? It’s chamber of commerce stuff. It’s all pro business not pro worker trade deals. Romney is all original Naftas and downsizing and outsourcing.
 
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Jenifer Rubin has thoughts on Liz Cheney and the Republican Party:

When will Liz Cheney and the GOP break up?

If she loses a primary in her House reelection race, she could run as a third-party candidate. She could form her own party with similarly disgusted Republicans. She could run for president in 2024 in a valiant effort to rescue her party from itself. She could form a caucus within the GOP akin to the moderates in the Democratic Leadership Council in the 1990s, who made way for a party shift to the center and the election of President Bill Clinton.

Cheney's valiant stand won't change anything for the Republican Party unless a lot of others join her.

I think the only way for the Trumpian/Racist-Populist hold on the Republican Party to be broken is for the Republicans to experience landslide losses. If that doesn't happen I just don't know what will happen.
 

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Is that why you voted for Trump?
Moderate liberalism > liberalism > socialism > trumpism > neoconservativism

The discussion is over what democrats want the republicans to be and what is the best for America well there is no contest neoconservativism is the absolute worst. It’s much worse than trumpism. It’s not even close.

Praising cheney and neoconservativism is actually insane and dangerous for America and the world. It’s the worst part of mainstream American politics. It’s the worst cult in America
 

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Moderate liberalism > liberalism > socialism > trumpism > neoconservativism

The discussion is over what democrats want the republicans to be and what is the best for America well there is no contest neoconservativism is the absolute worst. It’s much worse than trumpism. It’s not even close.

Praising cheney and neoconservativism is actually insane and dangerous for America and the world. It’s the worst part of mainstream American politics. It’s the worst cult in America
Exactly how do you define "neoconservatism????"
 

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Exactly how do you define "neoconservatism????"
Dick Cheney.

Neoconservatism no longer exists as a movement. For all intents and purposes, its historical.

But it was very bad, being the force behind an unprovoked war of aggression aka the Iraq War. \

I certainly would not want Liz Cheney determining foreign policy. But no matter what she may favor, she is better than the people who are opposed to democratic elections, that is to say the whole Trump faction of the Republican Party which is no longer within the boundaries of the US constitution in terms of what they stand for.
 

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Moderate liberalism > liberalism > socialism > trumpism > neoconservativism

The discussion is over what democrats want the republicans to be and what is the best for America well there is no contest neoconservativism is the absolute worst. It’s much worse than trumpism. It’s not even close.

Praising cheney and neoconservativism is actually insane and dangerous for America and the world. It’s the worst part of mainstream American politics. It’s the worst cult in America
Note the no denial of voting for Trump. ;)
 

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Bruce Bartman, white guy in PA who illegally voted for Trump on behalf of his dead mother, gets 5 years probation Crystal Mason, black woman in TX who voted on supervised release when she didn't know she was ineligible, gets 5 years in prison Two justice systems in America

 

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Apparently one of the rioters from Jan 6 is involved with the Arizona recount. Anthony Kern who is a former state lawmaker is helping to count ballots. He was actually on the ballot himself. Conflict much?

I consider that a mild conflict of interest compared to some of the others involved there.

Just when I think we're going to move on at last......
 

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Seeing as a large part of the reason that Arizona turned blue was due to strong Latino turnout after grassroots groups registered lots of voters as part of the backlash to the passage of Arizona's heavy-handed English-only law . . . I feel that the Arizona GOP's efforts to overturn a statewide vote may not work out the way Republicans intend.
 

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Seeing as a large part of the reason that Arizona turned blue was due to strong Latino turnout after grassroots groups registered lots of voters as part of the backlash to the passage of Arizona's heavy-handed English-only law . . . I feel that the Arizona GOP's efforts to overturn a statewide vote may not work out the way Republicans intend.
Oh we in Arizona are PISSED OFF 🤬
Except when we are laughing our asses off at the total clown show. It is utterly fitting that there is a carnival called Crazy Town going on at the same location 😂
 

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Jenifer Rubin has thoughts on Liz Cheney and the Republican Party:

When will Liz Cheney and the GOP break up?



Cheney's valiant stand won't change anything for the Republican Party unless a lot of others join her.
The Never Trumpers are off to the races on her. (Since yesterday).

They're hoping she'll run as a third-party candidate. I'm assuming they're hoping she has enough name value and enough support within the party to give them someone they can support that is policy-wise a Republican and meets their one overarching criteria--NOT being Trump.

It is ironic to me that Cheney would be considered a saleable name, as to me, it's synonymous with a log of negative baggage. But it's a name & she's not Trump. The bar is not high here.
 

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Seeing as a large part of the reason that Arizona turned blue was due to strong Latino turnout after grassroots groups registered lots of voters as part of the backlash to the passage of Arizona's heavy-handed English-only law . . . I feel that the Arizona GOP's efforts to overturn a statewide vote may not work out the way Republicans intend.
That bill was almost 10 years ago! Rich White trump hating republican women just like in Georgia were the main reason

The Never Trumpers are off to the races on her. (Since yesterday).

They're hoping she'll run as a third-party candidate. I'm assuming they're hoping she has enough name value and enough support within the party to give them someone they can support that is policy-wise a Republican and meets their one overarching criteria--NOT being Trump.

It is ironic to me that Cheney would be considered a saleable name, as to me, it's synonymous with a log of negative baggage. But it's a name & she's not Trump. The bar is not high here.
The neocon cultists will support her but no one ever won a lot of votes running on invading countries to make US corporations more money
 

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Meanwhile, who needs to implant you with a chip. Google and your phone know who you are and where you've been.
It always amuses me when anti-vaxxers post dire warnings about nano-trackers in the vaccines on those tracking devices they keep in their pockets.
BTW, now that they’re divorcing, does my info go to Bill or Melissa?
 

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Thomas Friedman is very pessimistic about our situation: Trump's Big Lie Devoured the GOP and Now Eyes Our Democracy (NY Times)

He believes that nothing can be done from outside the Republican Party to change the trajectory; it must come from inside.

And for those who are moderate and don't like the trajectory of the Democratic Party on policy he has this to say:

Personally, I have reservations about where the left of the Democratic Party is pulling Biden on some economic, immigration, foreign policy and education issues. But Biden and his party are putting forth real ideas to try to address the real challenges that an increasingly diverse 21st-century America needs to address to become a more perfect union. The best tool for keeping the Democratic Party close to the center-left on more issues is a healthy Republican Party that hews to the center-right.

We don’t have that. We have, instead, a G.O.P. trying to cling to power by leveraging a Big Lie into voter suppression laws that leverage the party back to power by appealing solely to a largely white 20th-century America. Trump’s G.O.P. is making no effort to offer conservative alternatives to the issues of the day. Its whole focus is on how to win without doing that.

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And without a war of ideas inside the party, one that is won by principled Republicans, we run the real risk of a political civil war in America over the next election.

Things are not OK.

Unless more principled Republicans stand up for the truth about our last election, we’re going to see exactly how a democracy dies.
 
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