Insurrectionists and subversives: Trump and his supporters (Thread for all things Trump)

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Thread with update on the E. Jean Carroll case:

Thread on observations of the Trump org case today:

Manhattan Prosecutors Move to Jump-Start Criminal Inquiry Into Trump​


"Under the new district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, the prosecutors have returned to the long-running investigation's original focus: a hush-money payment to a porn star who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump.

The district attorney’s office first examined the payment to the actress, Stormy Daniels, years ago before changing direction to scrutinize Mr. Trump’s broader business practices. But Mr. Bragg and some of his deputies have recently indicated to associates, supporters and at least one lawyer involved in the matter that they are newly optimistic about building a case against Mr. Trump, the people said."

(Hmm. Long & winding article retracing through what hasn't worked in the past & not answering the real question, which is, "What has changed? And why now optimistic?" The article says if something happens, it won't happen this year. But it's the end of November. Next year is quite close so that doesn't tell us much).
 

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they asked Judge Cannon to provide Trump with an unredacted copy of the affidavit
Not gonna happen. If Loose Cannon grants this it will immediately be appealed. No way it would allowed to stand. Every person facing criminal charges could then ask to get their search warrant affidavit, and get it If this precedent is set. TDFG will get his copy after indictment whereupon he can challenge the warrant. Normal procedure. I also question if Cannon even has jurisdiction over the search warrant. She’s not the issuing judge. If she was any kind of a real judge rather than a Trump stooge, she would tell them it has to go through Judge Reinhart.
 

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Not gonna happen. If Loose Cannon grants this it will immediately be appealed. No way it would allowed to stand. Every person facing criminal charges could then ask to get their search warrant affidavit, and get it If this precedent is set. TDFG will get his copy after indictment whereupon he can challenge the warrant. Normal procedure. I also question if Cannon even has jurisdiction over the search warrant. She’s not the issuing judge. If she was any kind of a real judge rather than a Trump stooge, she would tell them it has to go through Judge Reinhart.
Of course the Eleventh Circuit isn't going to allow it. That's my whole point. The motion Trump's attorneys filed with Judge Cannon for the affidavit was a Hail Mary because they know that the Eleventh Circuit is going to rule against him and the entire case may go away because of a lack of equitable jurisdiction.

The critical jurisdictional issue isn't about whether Judge Cannon was the one that issued the search warrant. The same equitable jurisdictional issues would have come up if Trump had tried to bring a Rule 41 motion before Judge Reinhart. (The reason the Trump attorneys claimed that they brought the case before Judge Cannon was that Judge Reinhart is a magistrate judge and therefore does not have authority to appoint a special master. There may be problems with that argument, but my sense from listening to the oral argument was that the panel seems to think that it doesn't even have to reach that particular jurisdictional issue because there was no equitable jurisdiction. The panel asked no substantive questions about the jurisdiction of Judge Cannon versus Judge Reinhart and asked the government only if they needed to reach that question, and the government said they did not. The judges seemed fine with that answer.)

The real issue is equitable jurisdiction, which was the basis for Judge Cannon finding that she had jurisdiction over the motion that is the basis for the civil case. (There was never a civil complaint.) She was the one who came up with the wacky basis for finding equitable jurisdiction that allowed for her to have the case and issue the rulings, including the preliminary injunction interfering with the government's use of the documents as well as the special master rulings. As I've been saying for months, I don't think her equitable jurisdiction argument has any merit.

The oral argument panel did not ask any questions about the substantive issues of attorney-client privilege, executive privilege, special master authority, etc. All of their questions were about equitable jurisdiction and their own jurisdiction. The discussion with the government attorney was about whether the Eleventh Circuit has jurisdiction to order the district court to not only vacate Judge Cannon's order but to also order that Judge Cannon dismiss the entire case. The government's argument is that, because the reason for vacating the order would be that she lacks equitable jurisdiction over the case as a whole, the Eleventh Circuit can not only vacate Judge Cannon's order that is on appeal but also instruct her to dismiss the entire case. (If she doesn't have the case, then she obviously can't grant Trump's motion for the affidavit.)

Even if the panel were to decide that it currently has jurisdiction over only Judge Cannon's order that is on appeal, it is very, very clear from the oral argument that the Eleventh Circuit will vacate that order because Judge Cannon did not have equitable jurisdiction to enter it. And one of the key reasons for that ruling will be that Trump did not show (and Judge Cannon admitted that he did not show) that his constitutional rights were violated and were violated with callous disregard. (More plates flying at MAL!) And, it is very clear from the what the judges were saying during oral argument, the Eleventh Circuit will say that, absent that factor (as well as other factors that Trump clearly did not meet), neither Trump nor any other target of a federal investigation by the executive branch can have a judge violate separation of powers by exercising jurisdiction to interfere in a criminal investigation by the executive branch prior to indictment. Basically, Trump's attorney was arguing that Trump didn't have to show a constitutional violation to bring the case and that Judge Cannon could use the case to help him find a constitutional violation. The judges were not buying it at all.
 

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Rhodes has been convicted of seditious conspiracy according to MSNBC.

ETA: Kelly Meggs also convicted of seditious conspiracy. The other three were acquitted of this particular charge.

All of the defendants were convicted of something, including obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting.
 

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Both Meggs and Rhodes seem like real pieces of work.

Now the question becomes, "Who "above" them should go down with them?"
 

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"The South Carolina Supreme Court has unanimously ordered Mark Meadows to comply with the Fulton County grand jury demand for his testimony."


Mark Meadows ordered to testify in Trump investigion

 

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House committee receives Donald Trump’s federal tax returns from IRS​


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Georgia GOP chairman singled out by judge for central role in fake elector plot


Judge says Georgia GOP chair may not share a lawyer with other ‘alternate electors’

Related article:

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"The Jan. 6 committee had its final planned interview today and now turns to unfinished business. Chairman Thompson tells me potential perjury referrals will be among its final considerations."
--Kyle Cheney

An attached article is here:
 

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House committee receives Donald Trump’s federal tax returns from IRS​


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Georgia GOP chairman singled out by judge for central role in fake elector plot


Judge says Georgia GOP chair may not share a lawyer with other ‘alternate electors’

Related article:

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"The Jan. 6 committee had its final planned interview today and now turns to unfinished business. Chairman Thompson tells me potential perjury referrals will be among its final considerations."
--Kyle Cheney

An attached article is here:
I cannot believe they finally got his tax returns 😳.
 

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An Arizona County’s Refusal to Certify Election Results Could Cost GOP a House Seat​


I hope no one will be foolish enough to let this refusal to certify a county election stand. A. The people who voted deserve to have their votes counted. B. It strikes me as a test run and not something Democrats or anyone else should want to see act as a precedent & repeated anywhere else or on a bigger scale.
 

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Why the Oath Keepers guilty verdicts are bad news for others facing charges​


"While DOJ was not able to get a win on seditious conspiracy for each of the five defendants, all were found guilty of obstruction of an official proceeding, a crime that likewise carries a maximum 20-year prison sentence."
 

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