caseyedwards
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The problem is the only people covering it are torn sources you’d never read! So all the answers are available but of course you wouldn’t read fox New York post or daily mail!
Insurrectionists and subversives: Trump and his supporters (Thread for all things Trump)
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Rats. They should have had the memorial and then announced trump's trouble.
The trumps are calling Letitia a racist.
But she shouldn't have mentioned everyone who worked on the case's names at the end of the press conference. trumpers will threaten them.
David Fahrenthold was on shows today. He's the one that did all the reporting on trump scandals in 2016. Oh well.
Is Melania packing yet?
Trump, Obama, Bush and Clinton skip DC memorial service for the Queen
Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton and Carter were all invited to the service after missing out on invitations to the Queen's State Funeral in London earlier this week but none chose to attend.
The trumps are calling Letitia a racist.
But she shouldn't have mentioned everyone who worked on the case's names at the end of the press conference. trumpers will threaten them.
David Fahrenthold was on shows today. He's the one that did all the reporting on trump scandals in 2016. Oh well.
Is Melania packing yet?
This is why a lot us NYers urged her not to run for governor when she announced those plans; we wanted her to do the job we knew she could - get Trump. We also urged patience when people complained it was taking too long. No, let her dot every I and cross every T and make it stick.
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True about the NYPost and the Daily Mail, maybe about Fox, but why don't you post some links to some legit sources that answer my questions and then we can chat some more about it?
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Well, this just popped up! It most likely will be behind closed doors though.
House Jan. 6 committee comes to agreement to interview Ginni Thomas, wife of Justice Clarence Thomas
Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, agreed to be questioned by the House committee investigating Jan. 6, her lawyer said.
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Two comments:Prediction: Jared and Ivanka will soon buy property in Israel, if they haven't already
- If you buy or inherit property in Israel, I believe that you cannot get your money out.
- The $2 billion that he got from thre Saudis is highly suspect. Let's hope it had nothing to do with divulging Israeli defense capabilities
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Appeals Court panel grants DOJ request for a stay of parts of Judge Cannon’s ruling.
The conservative 11th Circuit has granted the DOJ a stay in the MAL case:
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ETA: Here's the full text:
DOJ can resume criminal probe of classified documents from Mar-a-Lago, appeals court says
A federal appeals court is allowing the Justice Department to continue looking at documents marked as classified that were seized from former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home and resort.
www.cnn.com
ETA: Here's the full text:
caseyedwards
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There are none. There is no coverage of bidens flights in New York Times wapo cnn or anywhere “legit”. They do not exist to those outlets
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Just like he claims the 2020 election was stolen and people believe him without ANY evidence to date after 60 court cases and multiple state election investigations…. he thinks he can tell Judge Dearie (sp?) that he declassified documents found at his home and the judge is just going to believe him. Not! Judge said it is his to prove he actually declassified them. (It’s easy to find the feds website about how to declassify documents - Trump has no clue).
The Trump family is soon to discover they are not above the law (New York lawsuit) no matter how many millions they pay lawyers.
May Justice be served!
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And Jamie Raskin goes off on the Republicans and gives them a reality orientation.
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Also apps like NextDoor.
Though I also avoid the nightly news because there are studies showing it makes people more paranoid than they would be otherwise. I assume this is because of their "if it bleeds, it leads" approach to the news.
I get all my news by reading.
I think that's normal though. Don't we still talk about President Bush and President Obama? Former is only added when it makes sense in the context.
The thread title also says "All things Trump" He was President when this happened.
Personally, I'd put it in the thread about politics and the pandemic, but that's just me.
I read the article and two things stuck out to me. First, they felt the need to refer to AG James as a Democrat. It's stuff like this that increases the partisan divide.
The other is that I am pretty sure we will at some point hear from Trump that he wasn't involved at all, didn't pay attention to the documents he was signing, etc. (IOW, attempt to throw everyone else under the bus.) This defense, of course, completely undermines the idea that he was a successful businessman as successful businessmen know what is going on in their own organization.
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I like this excerpt in the NY Times breaking update:The conservative 11th Circuit has granted the DOJ a stay in the MAL case:
DOJ can resume criminal probe of classified documents from Mar-a-Lago, appeals court says
A federal appeals court is allowing the Justice Department to continue looking at documents marked as classified that were seized from former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home and resort.
ETA: Here's the full text:
The Justice Department “argues that the district court likely erred in exercising its jurisdiction to enjoin the United States’ use of the classified records in its criminal investigation and to require the United States to submit the marked classified documents to a special master for review,” a three-judge panel wrote. “We agree.”
The panel consisted of two Trump appointees — Judges Britt Grant and Andrew L. Brasher — and Judge Robin S. Rosenbaum, an Obama appointee.
Me: Burn!
Wherever Trump is right now, I think plates are flying. IMO, the best part of this decision by the 11th Circuit is that two of the three judges were appointed by Trump.
The 11th Circuit found that the DOJ is substantially likely to succeed in showing that the district court abused its discretion in even exercising equitable jurisdiction. They politely slam Judge Cannon for recognizing that Trump did not show that the United States acted in callous disregard of his constitutional rights but still finding equitable jurisdiction despite the absence of this "indispensable" factor. It notes that this factor alone would be reason to find no jurisdiction.
But, they say (politely), let us tell you the other ways that Judge Cannon got it wrong when finding jurisdiction. Judge Cannon "made no mention" as to why or how Trump might have an individual interest in or need for the classified documents. "For our part, we cannot discern why Plaintiff would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings." They also say that a person may have access to classified information only if, among other requirements, he has a need-to-know the information and this "requirement pertains equally to former Presidents, unless the current administration, in its discretion, chooses to waive that requirement." The court further points out that Trump has not even attempted to show that he has a need to know the information contained in the classified documents and they can't see how he could have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings. C [So, basically, Trump has shown no right to even access them himself.]
And then there's the 11th Circuit's discussion of classification of documents: "Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before the special master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents. In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal. So even if we assumed that Plaintiff did declassify some or all of the documents, that would not explain why he has a personal interest in them."
And, they say, stigma from prosecution is not a basis for finding irreparable injury to Trump. [So, no special treatment for the FPOTUS.]
The 11th Circuit also says that there would be irreparable harm to the United States absent a stay both because the DOJ needs the documents to do damage assessment and because allowing the special master and Plaintiff’s counsel to examine the classified records would separately impose irreparable harm. (Trusty and Judge Dearie had an exchange about this yesterday with Trusty insisting that, as Trump's attorney, he needs to see the classified documents. Nope.) The 11th Circuit makes it very clear that the there are very significant national security interests. (How does Fox address this?)
And, discussing the irreparable injury factor for purposes of granting a stay, they once again point out that Trump would not be irreparably injured by a stay because he does not have a possessory interest in the documents and "we find unpersuasive Plaintiff’s insistence that he would be harmed by a criminal investigation. Bearing the discomfiture and cost of a prosecution for crime even by an innocent person is one of the painful obligations of citizenship.” [Nope, Mr. former president, no special treatment for you. Let's make that clear again.]
Plus, they say, the public has a strong interest in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in “exceptionally grave damage to the national security.” [In other words, the DOJ needs to make sure that your criminal conduct did not do serious damage to national security.]
So, the 11th Circuit panel stays Judge Cannon's ruling to the extent it enjoins the government’s use of the classified documents and requires the government to submit the classified documents to the special master for review
The 11th Circuit found that the DOJ is substantially likely to succeed in showing that the district court abused its discretion in even exercising equitable jurisdiction. They politely slam Judge Cannon for recognizing that Trump did not show that the United States acted in callous disregard of his constitutional rights but still finding equitable jurisdiction despite the absence of this "indispensable" factor. It notes that this factor alone would be reason to find no jurisdiction.
But, they say (politely), let us tell you the other ways that Judge Cannon got it wrong when finding jurisdiction. Judge Cannon "made no mention" as to why or how Trump might have an individual interest in or need for the classified documents. "For our part, we cannot discern why Plaintiff would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings." They also say that a person may have access to classified information only if, among other requirements, he has a need-to-know the information and this "requirement pertains equally to former Presidents, unless the current administration, in its discretion, chooses to waive that requirement." The court further points out that Trump has not even attempted to show that he has a need to know the information contained in the classified documents and they can't see how he could have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings. C [So, basically, Trump has shown no right to even access them himself.]
And then there's the 11th Circuit's discussion of classification of documents: "Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before the special master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents. In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal. So even if we assumed that Plaintiff did declassify some or all of the documents, that would not explain why he has a personal interest in them."
And, they say, stigma from prosecution is not a basis for finding irreparable injury to Trump. [So, no special treatment for the FPOTUS.]
The 11th Circuit also says that there would be irreparable harm to the United States absent a stay both because the DOJ needs the documents to do damage assessment and because allowing the special master and Plaintiff’s counsel to examine the classified records would separately impose irreparable harm. (Trusty and Judge Dearie had an exchange about this yesterday with Trusty insisting that, as Trump's attorney, he needs to see the classified documents. Nope.) The 11th Circuit makes it very clear that the there are very significant national security interests. (How does Fox address this?)
And, discussing the irreparable injury factor for purposes of granting a stay, they once again point out that Trump would not be irreparably injured by a stay because he does not have a possessory interest in the documents and "we find unpersuasive Plaintiff’s insistence that he would be harmed by a criminal investigation. Bearing the discomfiture and cost of a prosecution for crime even by an innocent person is one of the painful obligations of citizenship.” [Nope, Mr. former president, no special treatment for you. Let's make that clear again.]
Plus, they say, the public has a strong interest in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in “exceptionally grave damage to the national security.” [In other words, the DOJ needs to make sure that your criminal conduct did not do serious damage to national security.]
So, the 11th Circuit panel stays Judge Cannon's ruling to the extent it enjoins the government’s use of the classified documents and requires the government to submit the classified documents to the special master for review
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Michael Cohen was just interviewed and said that he and Weisselman were given a # and needed to get to that number.
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Weisselberg.
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Sounds about right.
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PolitiFact - Claims that Biden is ‘secretly’ flying immigrants into U.S. cities ignore key facts
Republicans campaigning for office are running ads that hammer President Joe Biden’s management of the U.S.-Mexico borde
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I don't know why I should be bothered to look since you can't be bothered when it's your own claim, but:
‘Ghost Flights’? The Facts Behind Transporting Migrant Children
Government flights carrying undocumented children from the border to federally licensed shelters around the country are being criticized by conservative politicians in an election year.
'Ghost flights' are the latest GOP effort to weaponize immigration ahead of midterms
President Biden's critics accuse his administration of organizing "secret" migrant flights to communities around the country. But that rhetoric is often at odds with the facts.
www.npr.org
Other non-tabloidy mainstream sources:
More Migrant Children Being Flown to NY — But What Happens to Them After They Arrive?
Two senior U.S. officials confirmed that flights to the New York area have increased as the number of migrants — minors in many cases — coming to the country’s southern border have greatly increased this year, adding that numbers arriving in the U.S. are the largest in 15 years.
www.nbcnewyork.com
I-TEAM: Documents show 78 flights carrying migrants landed in Jacksonville over last 6 months
New documents shed light on dozens of flights through Jacksonville which Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis says are carrying migrants.
Pa. GOP primary candidates warn of immigrant ‘ghost flights,’ lacking facts and context
The rhetoric among Pennsylvania’s GOP candidates for Senate and governor has been the same: short on provable facts, long on inflammatory rhetoric.
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Biden admin restarts controversial "lateral flights" for migrants
Advocates say migrants on the flights often think they're being allowed to stay in the U.S., only to be expelled into an unfamiliar part of Mexico.
www.nbcnews.com
Ghost flights in Alabama?
Claims of flights carrying undocumented immigrants into Alabama surfaced this past week, and were debunked in Tuscaloosa. But the subject is a campaign issue in 2022, as Republicans look to elevate the issue amid record number of migrants at the U.S.-Mexican border.
There are more if you need them. These are just the ones that came up first.
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Wow it’s so much worse than It seemed. One third of “children” are 17 year old males. This is how brilliant the human traffickers are! Using the laws of America which define a child as under 18 and then flooding the border with 17 year olds! Can you not admire the brilliance and thorough planning going on here! Definitely all the 17 year olds should be deported. Getting them in so they Age out almost immediately?I don't know why I should be bothered to look since you can't be bothered when it's your own claim, but:
‘Ghost Flights’? The Facts Behind Transporting Migrant Children
Government flights carrying undocumented children from the border to federally licensed shelters around the country are being criticized by conservative politicians in an election year.www.nytimes.com
'Ghost flights' are the latest GOP effort to weaponize immigration ahead of midterms
President Biden's critics accuse his administration of organizing "secret" migrant flights to communities around the country. But that rhetoric is often at odds with the facts.
Other non-tabloidy mainstream sources:
More Migrant Children Being Flown to NY — But What Happens to Them After They Arrive?
Two senior U.S. officials confirmed that flights to the New York area have increased as the number of migrants — minors in many cases — coming to the country’s southern border have greatly increased this year, adding that numbers arriving in the U.S. are the largest in 15 years.I-TEAM: Documents show 78 flights carrying migrants landed in Jacksonville over last 6 months
New documents shed light on dozens of flights through Jacksonville which Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis says are carrying migrants.www.news4jax.com
Pa. GOP primary candidates warn of immigrant ‘ghost flights,’ lacking facts and context
The rhetoric among Pennsylvania’s GOP candidates for Senate and governor has been the same: short on provable facts, long on inflammatory rhetoric.Biden admin restarts controversial "lateral flights" for migrants
Advocates say migrants on the flights often think they're being allowed to stay in the U.S., only to be expelled into an unfamiliar part of Mexico.Ghost flights in Alabama?
Claims of flights carrying undocumented immigrants into Alabama surfaced this past week, and were debunked in Tuscaloosa. But the subject is a campaign issue in 2022, as Republicans look to elevate the issue amid record number of migrants at the U.S.-Mexican border.www.al.com
There are more if you need them. These are just the ones that came up first.
And US laws stay exactly the same! Even when this info is out for all to see! 1/3 of “children” are 17 year old males who will age out almost immediately.
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Pivoting again, are we?
Trump was on Fox tonight saying that he could declassify documents simply by thinking about declassifying them. And he seems to say that thinking about it when sending documents to MAL would work . Gee, I wonder why his attorneys didn't want to submit affidavits about this legal defense to Judge Dearie?
Here's the video:
Who says something like this? And why would someone suggest that he was the one sending the documents to MAL and thinking about declassification when knowledge, intent, and willfulness are important to establishing criminal liability? Stupidity.
Asha Rangappa is calling this the "Secret Telepathic Unilateral Preemptive Irreversible Declassification (S.T.U.P.I.D.) defense."
Here's the video:
Who says something like this? And why would someone suggest that he was the one sending the documents to MAL and thinking about declassification when knowledge, intent, and willfulness are important to establishing criminal liability? Stupidity.
Asha Rangappa is calling this the "Secret Telepathic Unilateral Preemptive Irreversible Declassification (S.T.U.P.I.D.) defense."
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Back to the original post. I believe you said everyone knew in localities when Biden did a flight. That doesn’t seem to be true. Lots of times no one was informed because they didn’t want to risk exposing the “children” to media scrutiny. So Biden and Desantis and Abbott all do stuff secretly without warning. Biden seems to be hiding “children” who will be mowing a lawn or being a busboy very soon. This is back door “low skill visa” or whatever
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I did not make any such statement. I asked questions. And since you have definitively proven that you can't be bothered to do even basic research in reliable news sources, I will find my own answers and ignore you like everyone else does.
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That's not what the article said. From one of the articles:
So the people who need to know, know they are coming. It's other people who don't know. Personally, I think they should be more transparent about this but I can see why they wouldn't want to publish a list of names of minors every time they have a flight.
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Back to the original post. I believe you said everyone knew in localities when Biden did a flight. That doesn’t seem to be true. Lots of times no one was informed because they didn’t want to risk exposing the “children” to media scrutiny. So Biden and Desantis and Abbott all do stuff secretly without warning
Nobody said anything about their names. The local officials are usually kept in the dark about the flights. They justify it by saying republicans would tell the media who would bring cameras
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Sorry about quoting a question you made and calling it a statement you made lol
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I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. I mean, come on! Republicans can't be serious about supporting this guy. https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1572764115885772803
"Trump says you can declassify documents by just thinking about it"
"Trump says you can declassify documents by just thinking about it"
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I'm going to have dinner with my inlaws tomorrow, so at least I'm forewarned about what they'll be obsessively screaming about all night. They aren't inherently dumb people, so the logic pretzels they'll be knotting themselves into will be interesting at the very least. Though I'd prefer it if TFG could be silent, or at least coherent for one blessed day so I could have one semi-normal family dinner.