Insurrectionists and subversives: Trump and his supporters (Thread for all things Trump)

Aussie Willy

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Re: Alex Jones emails/texts logs. Sandy Hook parents lawyer informed Jones lawyers they had sent him the files and gave the lawyers the 10 days to recall them. Which they did not.

I wonder if the lawyers intentionally accidentally sent them?
If you were Alex Jones' lawyers I am not sure it was an "accident". He must be a nightmare to work for. And they know he is toast.
 

Aussie Willy

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Hal Sparks is covering the trial and playing the whole thing.

He just showed the part where Alex Jones is stating as a fact that he doesn't use email. Then the plaintiff's lawyer puts a printed email in front of him and he had to say it was his email address. Jones is sitting there on the stand fuming that he is being caught out lying his ar$$e off. The lawyer is eating him as buffet lunch.
 
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Trump Lawyer Proposed Challenging Georgia Senate Elections in Search of Fraud​


"John Eastman, the conservative lawyer whose plan to block congressional certification of the 2020 election failed in spectacular fashion on Jan. 6, 2021, sent an email two weeks later arguing that pro-Trump forces should sue to keep searching for the supposed election fraud he acknowledged they had failed to find.

On Jan. 20, 2021, hours after President Biden’s inauguration, Mr. Eastman emailed Rudolph W. Giuliani, former President Donald J. Trump’s personal lawyer, proposing that they challenge the outcome of the runoff elections in Georgia for two Senate seats that had been won on Jan. 5 by Democrats.

'A lot of us have now staked our reputations on the claims of election fraud, and this would be a way to gather proof,' Mr. Eastman wrote in the previously undisclosed email, which also went to others, including a top Trump campaign adviser. 'If we get proof of fraud on Jan. 5, it will likely also demonstrate the fraud on Nov. 3, thereby vindicating President Trump’s claims and serving as a strong bulwark against Senate impeachment trial.'"
 

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Trump Lawyer Proposed Challenging Georgia Senate Elections in Search of Fraud​


"John Eastman, the conservative lawyer whose plan to block congressional certification of the 2020 election failed in spectacular fashion on Jan. 6, 2021, sent an email two weeks later arguing that pro-Trump forces should sue to keep searching for the supposed election fraud he acknowledged they had failed to find.

On Jan. 20, 2021, hours after President Biden’s inauguration, Mr. Eastman emailed Rudolph W. Giuliani, former President Donald J. Trump’s personal lawyer, proposing that they challenge the outcome of the runoff elections in Georgia for two Senate seats that had been won on Jan. 5 by Democrats.

'A lot of us have now staked our reputations on the claims of election fraud, and this would be a way to gather proof,' Mr. Eastman wrote in the previously undisclosed email, which also went to others, including a top Trump campaign adviser. 'If we get proof of fraud on Jan. 5, it will likely also demonstrate the fraud on Nov. 3, thereby vindicating President Trump’s claims and serving as a strong bulwark against Senate impeachment trial.'"
And Garland is just strolling along very casually just taking it easy no urgency at all. Very easy to see another scenario where trump and Eastman are in jail already
 

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If you were Alex Jones' lawyers I am not sure it was an "accident". He must be a nightmare to work for. And they know he is toast.
If the documents were requested in the discovery process and not produced because Jones told his attorneys that he had lost or destroyed them and the attorneys subsequently came into possession of them, they were duty bound to produce them to plaintiff's counsel. The only reason for thinking that Jones' attorneys messed up is because the plaintiff's attorney said so. I would prefer to think that rather than "messing up," Jones' attorneys were being ethical.
 

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Hal Sparks is covering the trial and playing the whole thing.

He just showed the part where Alex Jones is stating as a fact that he doesn't use email. Then the plaintiff's lawyer puts a printed email in front of him and he had to say it was his email address. Jones is sitting there on the stand fuming that he is being caught out lying his ar$$e off. The lawyer is eating him as buffet lunch.
How stupid is Alex Jones that he thinks he can get away with these lies?
 

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If the documents were requested in the discovery process and not produced because Jones told his attorneys that he had lost or destroyed them and the attorneys subsequently came into possession of them, they were duty bound to produce them to plaintiff's counsel. The only reason for thinking that Jones' attorneys messed up is because the plaintiff's attorney said so. I would prefer to think that rather than "messing up," Jones' attorneys were being ethical.

I would like to think that they were ethical, rather than messing up, but there's another reason to think that they did not intend to send those files to the plaintiff's attorney. The texts were not just related to Sandy Hook. They supposedly were ALL of his texts from the last two years.

Jones previously said under oath in his deposition that he did not have any texts about Sandy Hook. If such texts and e-mails were requested in discovery and he lied and said he didn't have them and did not produce them, as long as the texts weren't privileged, the attorneys probably do not have a legal and ethical basis to demand them back. (I do have to wonder how much of an effort the attorneys made to check for the texts, but that's another issue.)

However, it sounds like they forwarded everything on his cell phone from the last two years. It's hard to believe that he used one phone just for matters related to the Sandy Hook plaintiffs. In fact, you would think that the majority of the texts were not relevant. If some of the texts are not relevant to Sandy Hook (and maybe even relevant to the insurrection!) and the defense attorneys deliberately turned them over or did not recall them, then that would be pretty crazy. If the plaintiffs had asked for all of the texts, regardless of relevance to their claims, and the defense attorneys reviewed them, the defense attorneys would have and should have objected and the court probably would have agreed with defense counsel and they would not have had to turn over all the texts.
 

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Ivanka, Donald Trump Jr. sit for depositions in civil investigation into real estate valuations​


Twitter gets its hands dirty​

Two years after closing its PAC, the company has quietly begun giving away money again--starting with the Republican Attorneys General Association



A writer from Law & Order weighs in on the Jones' phone debacle.
 
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sk9tingfan

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Not sure where to put this but figured this is as good as anywhere else. Announcement at 11 AM:


Four current and former Louisville law enforcement officers have been charged with the violation of Breona Taylor's civil rights due to falsification of search warrants. The suspected related drug possession sites were situated 10 miles away from Taylor's apartment. There also was a coverup regarding affidavits. There are other charges as well. More to come.
 

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Four current and former Louisville law enforcement officers have been charged with the violation of Breonna Taylor's civil rights due to falsification of search warrants. The suspected related drug possession sites were situated 10 miles away from Taylor's apartment. There also was a coverup regarding affidavits. There are other charges as well. More to come.
Concurrent separate investigation into the policing practice patterns of the Louisville police department.
 

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Well, Roger Stone is confirmed to be on the phone:

"Judge denies Alex Jones request this morning for a blanket protective order to seal the record of his text messages, and denies motion for mistrial. She will seal his medical info, and consider sealing other individual texts on a case-by-case basis."

His lawyer apparently asked to have time to review what all he sent, and the judge nixed the delay tactic & told him that should have been done a year ago when information should have been turned over to the court.
 

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Update on the Georgia investigation:

"Fulton County DA files in federal court opposing Sen. Lindsey Graham’s attempt to quash their subpoena - Graham’s 'actions certainly appear interconnected with former President Trump’s similar efforts to pressure Georgia election officials into 'finding 11,780 votes;"

Link to the filing is here:
 

MacMadame

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He's used to lying all the time and his fans eat it up. He probably believes his own hype and doesn't know what regular people are like anymore.
Yes, but is he too dumb to understand the difference between his show and a court of law? It sure seems that way. And it doesn't seem like that used to be true either as another time he was in court he claimed reasonable people know he's an entertainer and shouldn't be taken seriously.
 

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The Kleptocrat Who Bankrolled Rudy Guiliani’s Dive for Dirt on Biden​

Fresh reporting illuminates the role that Dmitro Firtash played in funding the operation that would end in Trump's first impeachment


"For the past few years, as Rudy Giuliani gallivanted around the world looking for any kind of conspiracy that could help then-President Donald Trump remain in office, one question hung over Giuliani’s rambles: Who actually paid for his travels?

Thanks to a report in this week’s New York Times, we have a better idea. Giuliani’s paymaster wasn’t his client, nor was it any of the other Americans in the conspiratorial cabal working to help Trump steal the 2020 election. Instead, Rudy’s benefactor was the pro-Putin oligarch who stood at the center of Trump’s first impeachment—and who arguably stood to gain most by Trump retaining the White House: Dmitro Firtash.

As the Times reported, text messages and interviews revealed that the company overseen by Firtash—a Ukrainian kleptocrat currently awaiting extradition to the U.S. on bribery-related charges—footed the bill for much of Giuliani’s travels. Not only did Firtash’s company pay for Giuliani’s stay in at least one luxury hotel, but it paid tens of thousands of dollars for Giuliani’s flights around the world, including one trip on a private jet that cost a staggering $36,000.

At a minimum, these revelations confirm what was long suspected: A post-Soviet oligarch connected to multiple members of Giuliani’s team was also financing his travels. And it looks like Giuliani was able to obtain Firtash’s scratch with relative ease—a single text message would often do the trick. “Running into money difficulties on trip to London,” Giuliani wrote to Firtash’s translator, referring to an upcoming meeting with the oligarch’s associates. Voila, private planes and luxury hotels were at Giuliani’s disposal in short order.
The news that an oligarch wanted in the U.S. for various and sundry crimes was secretly funding the American president’s lawyer would, in a perfect world, be a scandal unto itself. But the revelations regarding Giuliani and Firtash—an “upper-echelon [associate] of Russian organized crime,” per the DOJ, and a Putin ally to boot—go much further than Gulfstreams and gilded hotels, and point directly to just how open, and corruptible, the Trump White House was."
 

Aussie Willy

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Yes, but is he too dumb to understand the difference between his show and a court of law? It sure seems that way. And it doesn't seem like that used to be true either as another time he was in court he claimed reasonable people know he's an entertainer and shouldn't be taken seriously.
The problem with Jones is he is so used to lying, blustering and behaving like a child that he actually cannot see the truth. It is part of who he is and who he as made himself to be. You just have to watch how he has behaved in court. I actually don't think it is an act. He has gradually become more subdued and compliant as it has gone on because the judge has not put up with his crap. She has had to talk to him like a toddler to get him to understand.
 

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I believe this trial is for the parents of one child. There is at least another trial for a different parent(s) to come. Though I'm thinking more than that?
 

sk9tingfan

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The problem with Jones is he is so used to lying, blustering and behaving like a child that he actually cannot see the truth. It is part of who he is and who he as made himself to be. You just have to watch how he has behaved in court. I actually don't think it is an act. He has gradually become more subdued and compliant as it has gone on because the judge has not put up with his crap. She has had to talk to him like a toddler to get him to understand.
Waiting for this to happen to Trump.
 

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