#ImWithHer vs. #IHateHer

Japanfan

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But I'm not a moderate liberal.

How would you identify yourself, then? You're certainly not a radical liberal from my (Canadian) perspective, but of course some (or many) Americans think we are :EVILLE:socialists up here (presumably because of health care?), which always causes me to :confused:
 

Vash01

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This is not related to politics but it is about Hillary.

I visited a facility that repairs, paints, etc. airplanes. This was a part of my job. My host pointed at a large plane with white body and some blue/turquoise and said- that is Hillary's plane. She had 'rented' that plane, pilot and crew for her campaign last year. It didn't have her symbols anymore but I was thrilled to see the plane.
 

ballettmaus

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Clinton was at Seth Meyer's tonight. My heart still kind of aches for her. But he had champagne to toast to last night's election results which I thought was kind of sweet. He also asked her if she remembered what she and Obama were laughing about in the photo that has gone viral. She said she does remember but she wouldn't say what it was. Now I'm actually very curious ;)

Clinton mentioned that one of the organizations (I can't remember which one, she mentioned several) supporting female candidates had a 40% success rate last night. Apparently, that's very unusual as a first-time candidate only has a 10% chance of winning!
I also really hope that she is right and that people do realize that if they want change, they need to get out and vote and that it wasn't just a "fluke".

It was good to see her in such good spirits though and she seemed more relaxed than when I've seen her before. I guess, she doesn't have to worry about someone claiming she's not taking things seriously. (I wish she had, to an extend, at least. So does Seth Meyer, he said he's happy she's at his show but would have preferred for her to be elsewhere (paraphrasing)).
 

skatesindreams

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It was good to see her in such good spirits though and she seemed more relaxed than when I've seen her before
I enjoyed her during the "Things Seth Can't Say" segment, also.

So does Seth Meyer, he said he's happy she's at his show but would have preferred for her to be elsewhere (paraphrasing)).
As would most of us who supported her!
 

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How would you identify yourself, then? You're certainly not a radical liberal from my (Canadian) perspective, but of course some (or many) Americans think we are :EVILLE:socialists up here (presumably because of health care?), which always causes me to :confused:
A progressive.
 

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This report by CNN's Fareed Zakaria, sheds great light on Putin's beef with Hillary Clinton. It also offers lluminating insight into Putin's rise, and the events that informed his tactics and approach to autocratic leadership. Eye-opening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ-Kwr0VFUE
In the beginning, even George W. Bush and Hollywood approved of Putin. :eek:
Churchill: "Russia is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma." Zakaria: "So is Putin."

And this 2-part Frontline documentary, Putin's Revenge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pWALA6vgoY Part 1
Bill Clinton to Boris Yeltsin: "Putin doesn't have democracy in his heart..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CseelcF16GA Part 2
Details the DNC cyber attack, etc! Wow re how it happened via a phishing email, and a typo in a message from DNC's Internet security personnel, supposedly!!! :drama: Plus, an elaboration on why Putin desired revenge on Hillary and the United States.

The very sad thing is that the U.S. has a history of tactical warfare in the world, and meddling in the political affairs of other countries. It's not good for us to deny that. There's a complex series of historical events that have occurred throughout the world that have not been accurately told. There's obviously nationalistic self-interest, colonial expansion, military and economic control for the purposes of obtaining access to oil resources, poor decisions by powerful leaders, political corruption, mistrust, conflicting motives, war and aggression undertaken for deceptive reasoning and economic gain, etc.

Clearly Yeltsin was not a great leader, which led to his downfall (which the CNN report points out moreso than Frontline). Putin was not standing next in line by random happenstance. How Putin skillfully rose to power is a lesson we need to learn from, in conjunction with truly understanding the history of 20th-century conflicts throughout the world that have led to this current moment. These are worrying times, and we really need to examine history more carefully. I don't agree with everything Oliver Stone says and believes (in his Untold History of the U.S., and in some of his recent comments re his documentary about Putin). However, there is a good reason to dig deeper and to not blindly accept everything we are fed by our leaders and by the news media in this country either.
 
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I just hope that she doesn't turn people off who wish to donate to Oxfam and any other organizations that she supports. They need our help and are funding good causes. Sarandon herself? :argue:
 

ballettmaus

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I can't help but think that considering what the Mueller investigation is unearthing and has unearthed in just a few months, it is astounding that none of the investigations into the Clintons has ever had the same outcome. I'd say, it can only mean two things: either, there's nothing to find or they're the most powerful people in the US. Strange, though, that they didn't use that power to make Clinton win the presidency ;)

(And for the record, I'm not saying they're pure and completely innocent, just not the criminals so many people like to make them out to be).
 

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This is pretty common for the US, NATO, and Western Allies in general. We've done it twice in Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, Angola, Vietnam, Cambodia, and a bunch of spots in Central America - I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting. Spots were we've invaded, removed the leadership, sometimes replaced the leadership, and then lost interest and allowed the country to self-destruct.
 

allezfred

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America's leading media watchdog in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias.

Just to save everybody time and give everybody warning about the journalistic standards at that particular website. Oh and not giving snowbird's friends any free clicks. :D

If you want to read about the horrific slave markets in Libya without a side of "BUT OBAMA AND HILLARY":

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration
 

ballettmaus

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I have no idea what the article says about Clinton or Obama but there's a chapter about Libya in "Hard Choices" and it was a lot more complicated than "it's Hillary's and Obama's fault". According to what she writes, rebels and Qaddafi's troups were already fighting before any intervention, an Arab council voted to enforce a no-fly zone before anyone else had taken action and Europe, especially Sarkozy, were rather keen on military intervention (considering that many refugees ended up in Europe that is not hard to imagine) and it ended up being a NATO, not US led mission.

She also describes in the book that she believes in handing countries like Libya the tools to become a democracy but that once a country has the tools, they have to decide their own fate. Kind of like parents giving the child everything it needs to succeed in life but there comes a time when parents need to let the child go their own way.
 

ballettmaus

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Two researchers took an in-depth look at the NYT's GE coverage. https://www.vox.com/2017/12/7/16747712/study-media-2016-election-clintons-emails

Their starkest discovery: “In just six days, the New York Times ran as many cover stories about Hillary Clinton’s emails as they did about all the policy issues combined in the 69 days leading up to the election.”

The analysis also includes a chart and it still boggles my mind that the MSM (as previous analysis have shown that it's not only the NYT) managed to devote more time to Trump's barely existing policies than Clinton's.


ETA: Already a few days old but the NYT ran an op-ed on the journalists who reported on Clinton and who are now accused of sexual assault and harrassment https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/opinion/matt-lauer-hillary-clinton.html
 
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Indeed. We women should not dare to frighten or offend by calling ourselves feminists.

Exactly. Why be afraid of associating with the term because of fools who try to make it a bad word? Even young Meghan Markle set Larry King straight about not giving in to a negative view of the term (during her early 2016 interview with King). As Markle has said: "Feminism is not the F word... I don't think there's anything negative about being a feminist. I think it's great to be able to be a feminist, and to be feminine, to embrace both." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMdPPNvUgUQ
Markle has said on a number of occasions how she believes being a feminist and enjoying being feminine and a strong woman can coexist.
 

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