#ImWithHer vs. #IHateHer

Simone411

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Not disrespectful. I hate living in Louisiana or anywhere around this awful place. That being said, I don't get the impression that violence will erupt. I am sure there will be isolated incidences but nothing major. Trump is going to win LA anyway so maybe they can console themselves with the fact that they wanted the idiot to win.
No disrespect to you, but I do so hope that you're wrong in this case. Several of my friends here in Desoto Parish are praying that Donald doesn't win. It doesn't have to do with violence. It has to do with the facts coming out about how he's treated women in general, and him being a compulsive liar.

I know several have changed their mind when the video came out with the disgusting filth about how he talked about women. It took something like that to happen, and now other women speaking up about what he did to them, for a lot of them to realize how pathetic Donald really is. Some of my friends have told me it made them sick because it was so repulsive.

I'm a democrat, but I haven't always voted for someone democratic. I've always voted for what I believe in and for someone whom I thought would be trustworthy. Democrat or not, I never planned to vote for him because I already knew he was full of deceit and not trustworthy.
 

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OKAY!!! Skatesindreams makes a point I agree with and leads to this question: Forget about Donald for the moment. And forget about those who fit the "deplorables" tag---racist types who love Donald because they hate someone else like Jewish folks or Mexicans or African-Americans.
So we have eliminated all of those people. Who is left?

My question is for those people who are not "deplorable" but are supporting Donald. What are their issues? Why are they so upset when we have an economy that has recovered since 2008? Why do they feel left out? What would make them happy?
 

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OKAY!!! Skatesindreams makes a point I agree with and leads to this question: Forget about Donald for the moment. And forget about those who fit the "deplorables" tag---racist types who love Donald because they hate someone else like Jewish folks or Mexicans or African-Americans.
So we have eliminated all of those people. Who is left?

My question is for those people who are not "deplorable" but are supporting Donald. What are their issues? Why are they so upset when we have an economy that has recovered since 2008? Why do they feel left out? What would make them happy?
I think a lot of them are blue collar workers who once had relatively good-paying jobs who now no longer do, either because of the jobs being eliminated through out-sourcing, automation, or decline for demand in their industry (coal mining, for example). Some still have jobs but their income is now less or has not improved from the recession.
 

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My question is for those people who are not "deplorable" but are supporting Donald. What are their issues? Why are they so upset when we have an economy that has recovered since 2008? Why do they feel left out? What would make them happy?

I saw a news piece on CNN (I think) about all the blue collar workers who supports Trump and why. He gets support from blue collar workers, according to the report,because of a sharp decline in manufacturing jobs in their small towns which have left those areas economically depressed. They fear what the future holds. The U.S. could do more to entice businesses to return home but no matter who wins most of those jobs are never coming back. Trump is making promises he can't keep.


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The report was from the BBC and here it is...
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37639459
 
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But Trump is part of the outsourcing problem. How can they ignore that?

I think the argument goes something like, he outsources to stay competitive, and he knows how the system is rigged because he helped rigged it, so he can help unrig it because he doesn't have to be running for president so he's doing it all to help the people. Or something to that effect.
 

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For my Trump-supporting friends and family, it is all about the makeup of the Supreme Court. They are social conservatives. They don't necessarily love Trump, but they believe that any culture changes that occur because of a "crude/rude/tell it like it is" Trump presidency to be more acceptable than the culture changes that (they believe) will occur due to a more liberal Supreme Court. I disagree. Strongly.
 

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I think the argument goes something like, he outsources to stay competitive, and he knows how the system is rigged because he helped rigged it, so he can help unrig it because he doesn't have to be running for president so he's doing it all to help the people. Or something to that effect.

My Trump voting dad just said something like this - his exact words were "it takes a crook to catch the crooks".
 

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I saw a news piece on CNN (I think) about all the blue collar workers who supports Trump and why. He gets support from blue collar workers, according to the report,because of a sharp decline in manufacturing jobs in their small towns which have left those areas economically depressed. They fear what the future holds. The U.S. could do more to entice businesses to return home but no matter who wins most of those jobs are never coming back. Trump is making promises he can't keep.


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The report was from the BBC and here it is...
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37639459

I think Trump's supporters are white male who feel persecuted, have limited contact with immigrants and people of color and have never left their hometowns. They earn on average $70,000, well above Hillary's supporters, but they feel pessimistic about the future and feel their job is at risk. And obviously they live in the fact-free world of Fox news, Breitbart and Trump, listening to their fear-mongering about minorities and immigrants everyday. :scream:

Some interesting quotes from the articles I linked:
Many men, in fact, see Trump as the candidate who can restore men’s status in society. According to several recent analyses, about half of men feel American culture has become too soft and feminine, and they feel men are suffering as a result. Many seem to find comfort in Trump’s talk of male dominance and success.
But here’s the weird thing: Folks in hard-hit industrial towns aren’t voting for Trump. When Michigan Republicans went to the polls in March, economists expected to see huge Trump turnout in areas with the most shuttered factories. Instead, they got the opposite: Trump’s support was strongest in towns that had gained manufacturing jobs. He did about 20 percentage points worse in areas where layoffs were most intense. It was completely the opposite of what everyone expected.
The findings suggest a great majority of Trump supporters hold unfavorable views of Muslims and support a policy that bans Muslims from entering the US. Most of them support proposals that stifle immigration from Mexico, and they agree with Trump’s comments that Mexican immigrants are criminals. And many — but not a majority — say that black people are less intelligent and more violent than their white peers.
Contact with immigrants seems to reduce one's likelihood of supporting Trump, as areas that are farther from Mexico and with smaller Hispanic populations saw more Trump support. Areas with more manufacturing are significantly less likely to support Trump. An increase in the level of manufacturing employment from 2000 to 2007 predicted higher Trump support — which is the opposite of what you'd expect, given the narrative around this campaign.

In short, if I ever meet a Trump supporter, I'll run the other way.
 

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I think the argument goes something like, he outsources to stay competitive, and he knows how the system is rigged because he helped rigged it, so he can help unrig it because he doesn't have to be running for president so he's doing it all to help the people. Or something to that effect.

Then why did his businesses go bankrupt anyway? :D
 

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For my Trump-supporting friends and family, it is all about the makeup of the Supreme Court. They are social conservatives. They don't necessarily love Trump, but they believe that any culture changes that occur because of a "crude/rude/tell it like it is" Trump presidency to be more acceptable than the culture changes that (they believe) will occur due to a more liberal Supreme Court. I disagree. Strongly.
My Trump supporter friends are all about abortion. They don't like him.

I am voting 3rd party.
 

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Hillary's having a live-stream of her fundraising tonight:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/broadway-livestream/


More info:
http://deadline.com/2016/10/hillary...rystal-julia-roberts-hugh-jackman-1201837479/
Billy Crystal is hosting and the event will feature appearances by Julia Roberts, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Jake Gyllenhaal, Hugh Jackman, Sarah Jessica Parker, Matthew Broderick, Emily Blunt, Neil Patrick Harris, Helen Mirren and many more – will include never-before-seen duets and collaborations to raise money for the Hillary Victory Fund. Livestream is available on: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/broadway-livestream/ or Hillary Clinton’s YouTube Page or Hillary Clinton’s Facebook Page.
 

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Anybody else watching? :D

I missed it (hadn't heard about it until today). Here's a highlight with Lin-Manuel Miranda and I believe Renee Elise Goldsberry rapping about the importance of voting. Pretty cool rhymes, courtesy of Lin-Manuel, I'm sure. :)

http://www.playbill.com/article/wat...-all-star-hillary-clinton-broadway-fundraiser

Here's a clip of actor, Josh Charles, advocating for young lawyers to join the work of HFA (Hillary For America) Victory Counsel, to help make sure those who wish to vote are able to vote, and not subjected to discrimination in the voting process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMIrba9eDTE
 

Susan1

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Good grief. Now I'm getting "personalized" emails from Michelle Obama too! Combined - about 7-8 per day. If I get one from President Obama, I'm keeping it!!!!

How about if they spend $1 less coming to Ohio to campaign and they can say it's from me. Sheesh.

This is ridiculous. I might have missed my $2 off paper goods at CVS coupon having to sift through all these emails!!!!! ha ha ha

Unsubscribing after the debate.
 

Simone411

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I got them, too. I think anyone that's registered as a Democrat probably gets them. I also get e-mails from Governor John Bel Edwards and Mitch Landrieu, the Mayor of New Orleans.
 

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I'm cross-posting the below from the 'What Ashley Wagner Thinks of Trump' thread in GSD, because it seems more appropriate to discuss here:

While I do not approve of Bill's relationships with any women outside of his wife I feel his actions are due to a weakness in his character to walk away from temptation and he had enough charisma that there were consensual takers. I believe he did respect women and part of the allure was their intelligence. Unfortunately in his position he was around attractive intelligent women all the time and because he was weak he did slip up a few times. I really do not think he could be compared to TRump but neither are good husband material.

I agree with you, except I think that in his later years Bill Clinton has been better husband material than Donald Trump, because Bill has apparently learned from his personal transgressions. Definitely, Bill was wild and irresponsible in his sexual behavior, especially as a young man. Like you, I see it as a character flaw that may have had something to do with Bill not having his biological father during his very early formative years (Bill's biological father died just before Bill was born). In addition, Bill's stepfather was an abusive alcoholic, which made Bill have to grow up fast and learn how to deal with that dilemma in order to help protect his mother and his younger half-brother. It's been reported that Bill always had a very outgoing personality and he also apparently internalized a deep-seated need for love and attention.

It appears to me that Bill and Hillary worked hard on repairing their marriage privately. Moreover, Bill has not gone about publicly boasting of sexual conquests and aggressive behavior toward women. Bill does not appear to have a 3:00am Twitter finger addiction. Neither is there any real, substantial or legitimate evidence of Bill routinely abusing, demeaning or disparaging women. And above all, unlike Donald Trump, Bill Clinton to my knowledge has never referenced or spoken about his own daughter in sexually suggestive/ incestuous terms.
 

Simone411

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I saw a news piece on CNN (I think) about all the blue collar workers who supports Trump and why. He gets support from blue collar workers, according to the report,because of a sharp decline in manufacturing jobs in their small towns which have left those areas economically depressed. They fear what the future holds. The U.S. could do more to entice businesses to return home but no matter who wins most of those jobs are never coming back. Trump is making promises he can't keep.


EDITED TO ADD:
The report was from the BBC and here it is...
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37639459
And here's the deal on that. How do they expect any manufacturing businesses to return by supporting someone that took the jobs away from the U.S.?? What am I missing here?

David Letterman Exposes Donald Trump

Have cows and horses turned the color purple or something and I didn't know about it?
 
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I'm cross-posting the below from the 'What Ashley Wagner Thinks of Trump' thread in GSD, because it seems more appropriate to discuss here:



I agree with you, except I think that in his later years Bill Clinton has been better husband material than Donald Trump, because Bill has apparently learned from his personal transgressions. Definitely, Bill was wild and irresponsible in his sexual behavior, especially as a young man. Like you, I see it as a character flaw that may have had something to do with Bill not having his biological father during his very early formative years (Bill's biological father died just before Bill was born). In addition, Bill's stepfather was an abusive alcoholic, which made Bill have to grow up fast and learn how to deal with that dilemma in order to help protect his mother and his younger half-brother. It's been reported that Bill always had a very outgoing personality and he also apparently internalized a deep-seated need for love and attention.

It appears to me that Bill and Hillary worked hard on repairing their marriage privately. Moreover, Bill has not gone about publicly boasting of sexual conquests and aggressive behavior toward women. Bill does not appear to have a 3:00am Twitter finger addiction. Neither is there any real, substantial or legitimate evidence of Bill routinely abusing, demeaning or disparaging women. And above all, unlike Donald Trump, Bill Clinton to my knowledge has never referenced or spoken about his own daughter in sexually suggestive/ incestuous terms.

I agree..I was responding to an attack on Bill Clinton which compared the 2. Of course Bill was the better husband and father. The 2 should not be mentioned in the same breath..But not fair to expose Hillary to what she had to deal with under the public eye. You are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. When he accepted the presidency he should have vowed to himself to keep his pants zipped while in office and kept to it.
 

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I got them, too. I think anyone that's registered as a Democrat probably gets them.

I only started getting the "send us money" emails after I logged on to Hillary's website.

except I think that in his later years Bill Clinton has been better husband material than Donald Trump, because Bill has apparently learned from his personal transgressions.
True. And as I've said before, he was also a better current president at the time. Trump would not make a good president if he was married to his first wife for 40 years and never even glanced at another woman.

And here's the deal on that. How do they expect any manufacturing businesses to return by supporting someone that took the jobs away from the U.S.?? What am I missing here?
Hillary had an ad on that for awhile, where his shirts are made, etc. and included Trump's words in the Letterman interview. It also included a guy working on a line making shirts here and said something about how Trump said there wasn't anywhere in the US to make his shirts. (It didn't come out and say "cheap enough"). I hope that comes up in the debate.
 

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Susan1 said:
Hillary had an ad on that for awhile, where his shirts are made, etc. and included Trump's words in the Letterman interview. It also included a guy working on a line making shirts here and said something about how Trump said there wasn't anywhere in the US to make his shirts. (It didn't come out and say "cheap enough"). I hope that comes up in the debate.

She certainly has. I've kept up with all the ads from the beginning. I added it because I sometimes think that some folks who are for Trump either ignore those ads/commercials or they have seen them and just subconsciously put it out of their minds. I'm actually referring to "friends of friends" on Facebook that have posted some really scary stuff. I won't go into detail, but some of their posts are horrifying. I've learned how to unfollow a lot of those posts, and from time to time, I'll still see some crazy stuff. I've learned how to hide some of those posts where I won't see as many.

When I say hate posts, that's exactly what I mean. It's brought out the worst in some of those friends, and it's really sad in a way.
 

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I use "hide post"; even on some of my relatives.
I won't hesitate to "unfriend" if necessary.
I have hidden the Trump camp ones cousin's widow posts. She still reposts anti-Hillary things and she still comments on my anti-Trump things. We're cool. (Except that she's stupid!:biggrinbo)

And I got unfriended by other cousin's widow after they were all defending Trump after the tape and she said that she is as bad as the guys she works with and I asked if she talks about their bodies and grabs them.:eek:
She owns a business. She probably did not want her customers to think about that one.

p.s. yes, I have/had a lot of cousins. I am the only child of my mom who was one of six and my dad who was one of five. My cousins were like my brothers and sisters growing up. The widows of the male ones have still been family.
 

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I agree..I was responding to an attack on Bill Clinton which compared the 2. Of course Bill was the better husband and father. The 2 should not be mentioned in the same breath..But not fair to expose Hillary to what she had to deal with under the public eye. You are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. When he accepted the presidency he should have vowed to himself to keep his pants zipped while in office and kept to it.

He probably did make a vow, but temptation can be so tempting, and flesh can be so weak. Life is a constant struggle for us all. Kudos to those who maintain superb discipline and adhere to high ideals and resolute purpose in every aspect of their lives. :)
 

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Good grief. Now I'm getting "personalized" emails from Michelle Obama too! Combined - about 7-8 per day. If I get one from President Obama, I'm keeping it!!!!

How about if they spend $1 less coming to Ohio to campaign and they can say it's from me. Sheesh.

This is ridiculous. I might have missed my $2 off paper goods at CVS coupon having to sift through all these emails!!!!! ha ha ha

Unsubscribing after the debate.

I have a folder that the campaign emails come from, so I don't see them anymore. I'm not sure if Barack has emailed, but I've gotten them from Biden, Bill Clinton, Chelsea, and quite a few other prominent figures. I'm sure they are writing them personally :)
 

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I have a folder that the campaign emails come from, so I don't see them anymore. I'm not sure if Barack has emailed, but I've gotten them from Biden, Bill Clinton, Chelsea, and quite a few other prominent figures. I'm sure they are writing them personally :)

Mine all address me as "Susan" several different times like that is so personal. It irritates me every time Kellyanne uses the interviewer's name, like that's something she learned in "how to talk to people" school.
 

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