French Masters - Epinal - September 30th - October 2nd 2021

[Belsornia]

Is the fact that they train in Moscow relevant?

I thought G/T were with Barbara F-P in Italy now? Lopareva/Brissaud and Wagret/Souquet both also train in Moscow now, and both made it to Epinal.

 

[4rkidz]

I like all that arm posing, its fun!

 

[MsZem]

Looks like Aymoz had a very rough free skate. I hope this won't be repeated at more important competitions...

 

[Sylvia]

Men's FS is finishing up now: https://csndg.org/resultats/Masters2021/SEG014.HTM

ETA:

FPl.	Name	Club	Nation	Points	SP	FS
1​	Adam SIAO HIM FA Club Olympique De Courbevoie	COURB	FRA​	256.25​	3​	1​
2​	Luc ECONOMIDES Alpe D'huez Patinage Club	HUEZ	FRA​	225.40​	2​	2​
3​	Kevin AYMOZ Grenoble Isere Metropole Patinage	GRENO	FRA​	222.86​	1​	5​
4​	Romain PONSART Charleville Mezieres Sg	CHARL	FRA​	208.76​	4​	7​
5​	Davide LEWTON-BRAIN		MON​	203.91​	5​	4​
6​	Adrien TESSON Champigny Csg	CHAMP	FRA​	201.24​	7​	3​
7​	Landry LE MAY Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	198.56​	6​	6​
8​	Xavier VAUCLIN Association Nice Baies Des Anges	NICE	FRA​	166.83​	8​	9​
9​	Yann FRECHON Paris Club Francais Volants	PFV	FRA​	155.55​	11​	8​
10​	Samy HAMMI Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	153.70​	9​	11​
11​	Joshua ROLS Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	149.12​	10​	12​
12​	Xan ROLS Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	143.07​	12​	10​

Pl.	Name	Club	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	SS	TR	PE	CO	IN	Deduction -	StN.
1​	Adam SIAO HIM FA Club Olympique De Courbevoie	COURB	FRA​	177.69​	90.67​		87.02​	8.63​	8.50​	8.81​	8.69​	8.88​	0.00​	#10​
2​	Luc ECONOMIDES Alpe D'huez Patinage Club	HUEZ	FRA​	145.26​	65.76​		80.50​	7.94​	7.81​	8.25​	7.94​	8.31​	1.00​	#12​
3​	Adrien TESSON Champigny Csg	CHAMP	FRA​	139.35​	66.45​		73.90​	7.19​	7.19​	7.44​	7.38​	7.75​	1.00​	#6​
4​	Davide LEWTON-BRAIN		MON​	136.73​	66.21​		70.52​	7.13​	6.94​	7.06​	7.00​	7.13​	0.00​	#8​
5​	Kevin AYMOZ Grenoble Isere Metropole Patinage	GRENO	FRA​	132.96​	50.94​		86.02​	8.94​	8.44​	8.44​	8.63​	8.56​	4.00​	#11​
6​	Landry LE MAY Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	131.86​	63.72​		69.14​	7.00​	6.63​	7.00​	6.94​	7.00​	1.00​	#7​
7​	Romain PONSART Charleville Mezieres Sg	CHARL	FRA​	130.62​	56.72​		74.90​	7.63​	7.25​	7.56​	7.38​	7.63​	1.00​	#9​
8​	Yann FRECHON Paris Club Francais Volants	PFV	FRA​	110.07​	54.93​		55.14​	5.69​	5.44​	5.44​	5.56​	5.44​	0.00​	#2​
9​	Xavier VAUCLIN Association Nice Baies Des Anges	NICE	FRA​	108.21​	45.59​		64.62​	6.44​	6.31​	6.50​	6.31​	6.75​	2.00​	#5​
10​	Xan ROLS Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	103.03​	47.51​		55.52​	5.50​	5.25​	5.69​	5.63​	5.69​	0.00​	#3​
11​	Samy HAMMI Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	96.63​	41.37​		55.26​	5.63​	5.50​	5.38​	5.56​	5.56​	0.00​	#4​
12​	Joshua ROLS Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	93.66​	43.92​		52.74​	5.25​	5.06​	5.31​	5.25​	5.50​	3.00​	#1​

 

[MsZem]

Men's FS is finishing up now: https://csndg.org/resultats/Masters2021/SEG014.HTM

Adam Siao Him Fa wayyyyy ahead of everyone. He clearly wants that Olympic ticket

 

[synian]

a new interview in french with kevin https://www.vosgesmatin.fr/sport/20...vin-aymoz-ou-la-renaissance-apres-la-pubalgie

 

[skatingguy]

Looks like Aymoz had a very rough free skate. I hope this won't be repeated at more important competitions...

No, I'm sure sometimes he'll have rough short programs too.

 

[MsZem]

P/C get 137.31 in the free dance, better than they did in 2019. 231.10 total, well ahead of 2019. The FFSG is not messing around.

Protocols here. It's not all L4s!

Result​

FPl.	Name	Club	Nation	Points	RD	FD
1​	Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON CLE-Auvergne Danse sur Glace / CLE-Auvergne Danse sur Glace	CLE	FRA​	231.10​	1​	1​
2​	Evgeniia LOPAREVA / Geoffrey BRISSAUD LGP-Lyon Glace Patinage / LGP-Lyon Glace Patinage	LGP	FRA​	190.80​	2​	2​
3​	Marie DUPAYAGE / Thomas NABAIS VLP-Villard de Lans Patinage / VIT-Vitry ESV Patinage	VLP/VIT	FRA​	171.79​	5​	3​
4​	Loicia DEMOUGEOT / Theo LE MERCIER VLP-Villard de Lans Patinage / BEL-ASM Belfort Danse et Ballets	VLP/BEL	FRA​	170.92​	3​	4​
5​	Natacha LAGOUGE / Arnaud CAFFA LSG-Lyon CSG / VSC-Vitry Skating Club	LSG/VITSC	FRA​	166.11​	4​	5​
6​	Lou TERREAUX / Noe PERRON VLP-Villard de Lans Patinage / BEL-ASM Belfort Danse et Ballets	VLP/BEL	FRA​	154.39​	7​	6​
WD​	Julia WAGRET / Pierre SOUQUET-BASIEGE COP-Courchevel Patinage Sports de Glace / ROU-Rouen Olympic Club	COP/ROU	FRA​

Result Details​

Pl.	Name	Club	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	SS	TR	PE	CO	IN	Deduction -	StN.
1​	Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON CLE-Auvergne Danse sur Glace / CLE-Auvergne Danse sur Glace	CLE	FRA​	137.31​	77.81​		59.50​	9.83​	9.75​	10.00​	10.00​	10.00​	0.00​	#6​
2​	Evgeniia LOPAREVA / Geoffrey BRISSAUD LGP-Lyon Glace Patinage / LGP-Lyon Glace Patinage	LGP	FRA​	114.97​	66.37​		48.60​	7.92​	7.92​	8.08​	8.25​	8.33​	0.00​	#7​
3​	Marie DUPAYAGE / Thomas NABAIS VLP-Villard de Lans Patinage / VIT-Vitry ESV Patinage	VLP/VIT	FRA​	105.63​	60.53​		45.10​	7.25​	7.17​	7.50​	7.75​	7.92​	0.00​	#2​
4​	Loicia DEMOUGEOT / Theo LE MERCIER VLP-Villard de Lans Patinage / BEL-ASM Belfort Danse et Ballets	VLP/BEL	FRA​	99.19​	54.19​		45.00​	7.50​	7.33​	7.50​	7.50​	7.67​	0.00​	#5​
5​	Natacha LAGOUGE / Arnaud CAFFA LSG-Lyon CSG / VSC-Vitry Skating Club	LSG/VITSC	FRA​	97.88​	54.58​		43.30​	7.42​	7.00​	7.33​	7.17​	7.17​	0.00​	#4​
6​	Lou TERREAUX / Noe PERRON VLP-Villard de Lans Patinage / BEL-ASM Belfort Danse et Ballets	VLP/BEL	FRA​	91.62​	51.52​		40.10​	6.75​	6.33​	6.50​	6.83​	7.00​	0.00​	#1​

 

[Braulio]

Lopareva/Brissaud well stablished as France Number 1 once P/C retire

 

[Karen-W]

Lopareva/Brissaud well stablished as France Number 1 once P/C retire

Yup, especially since Galyavieva/Thauron didn't compete this weekend.

 

[Braulio]

Yup, especially since Galyavieva/Thauron didn't compete this weekend.

I think even with them here still Lopareva/Brissaud would be Second, it looks the Federation already picked them as the next in line

 

[cholla]

I thought G/T were with Barbara F-P in Italy now? Lopareva/Brissaud and Wagret/Souquet both also train in Moscow now, and both made it to Epinal.

Lopareva/Brissaud sometimes work in Moscow but, unlike Wagret/Souquet, their training base is still in Lyon with Fabian Bourzat and Roxanne Petetin.

 

[Cherub721]

Why the negavitiy around Galyavieva/Thauron? They were so promising last year, as were Lopareva/Brissaud. It's too bad there is no spot for either to go to the Olympics, and if P&C don't go to Worlds, they will end up in the same situation as Spain with two teams battling over one spot.

 

[tony]

If P/C finish out their careers at a home Worlds in March (which is why I think there's a chance they will, even with Olympic gold), then there's a good chance we see 3 teams from France able to go to Worlds next year. Then they can all really start to fight for the top spot.

 

[Sylvia]

Senior Women final standings:

FPl.	Name	Club	Nation	Points	SP	FS
1​	Maďa MAZZARA Grenoble Isere Metropole Patinage	GRENO	FRA​	155.15​	1​	1​
2​	Lea SERNA Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	151.86​	2​	2​
3​	Julie FROETSCHER Association Nice Baies Des Anges	NICE	FRA​	143.76​	3​	3​
4​	Jade HOVINE		BEL​	111.45​	4​	4​
5​	Oceane GLESSER Cergy Pontoise Csg	CERGY	FRA​	106.49​	6​	5​
6​	Sophia MAAROUF Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	102.87​	5​	6​

FS result details:

Pl.	Name	Club	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	SS	TR	PE	CO	IN	Deduction -	StN.
1​	Maďa MAZZARA Grenoble Isere Metropole Patinage	GRENO	FRA​	104.84​	54.81​		51.03​	6.44​	6.31​	6.38​	6.38​	6.38​	1.00​	#5​
2​	Lea SERNA Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	102.44​	53.14​		51.30​	6.56​	6.19​	6.44​	6.44​	6.44​	2.00​	#4​
3​	Julie FROETSCHER Association Nice Baies Des Anges	NICE	FRA​	95.71​	47.29​		48.42​	6.13​	6.00​	6.00​	6.13​	6.00​	0.00​	#6​
4​	Jade HOVINE		BEL​	73.27​	35.46​		39.81​	5.13​	4.81​	5.00​	4.94​	5.00​	2.00​	#2​
5​	Oceane GLESSER Cergy Pontoise Csg	CERGY	FRA​	71.28​	32.05​		39.23​	4.94​	4.63​	4.88​	4.94​	5.13​	0.00​	#3​
6​	Sophia MAAROUF Brian Joubert Poitiers Glace	POIBJ	FRA​	66.50​	30.69​		36.81​	4.69​	4.38​	4.69​	4.69​	4.56​	1.00​	#1​

Senior Pair (1):

FPl.	Name	Club	Nation	Points	SP	FS
1​	Coline KERIVEN / Noel Antoine PIERRE Paris Club Francais Volants / Paris Club Francais Volants	PFV	FRA​	152.49​	1​	1​

Junior Pairs (2):

FPl.	Name	Club	Nation	Points	SP	FS
1​	Oxana VOUILLAMOZ / Flavien GINIAUX Caen Acsel / Caen Acsel	CAEN	FRA​	100.41​	1​	1​
2​	Louise EHRHARD / Matthis PELLEGRIS Champigny Csg / Champigny Csg	CHAMP	FRA​	88.24​	2​	2​

All results/protocols: https://csndg.org/resultats/Masters2021/

 

[Sylvia]

vidéos FFSG (new YT channel): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9yqZn9hjXC684tXVJVjVWA

Papadakis/Cizeron's FD has been uploaded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWnNsMR30o

P/C get 137.31 in the free dance, better than they did in 2019. 231.10 total, well ahead of 2019. The FFSG is not messing around.

Protocols here. It's not all L4s!

 

[tony]

P/C's program is fantastic, there's no doubt. I like that the character step sequence occurs naturally with the pacing of the music rather than tacking something on at the end to fit it in, but if there's a critique that I have, it's the shapes of the movements in the last 45 seconds to nearly one minute of the program. It's not moving outwards at all, and they are only covering a very small section of center ice throughout. Fits the music? Yes. Can they do a little bit more in those 45 seconds? I think so. The lifts are fantastic, and they came out strong in their first showing.

As far as total body commitment and overall skating, I think P/C just run away with it. They add small flourishes to every single element (and even the in-betweens) that show they are just always in total control and confident with their edges. Some of the teams right behind them are either too proper (stiff) with their alignment or hitting messy positions a lot of the time while trying to be fluid. They are perfectly in between those worlds.

 

[Gris]

P/C's program is fantastic, there's no doubt. I like that the character step sequence occurs naturally with the pacing of the music rather than tacking something on at the end to fit it in, but if there's a critique that I have, it's the shapes of the movements in the last 45 seconds to nearly one minute of the program. It's not moving outwards at all, and they are only covering a very small section of center ice throughout. Fits the music? Yes. Can they do a little bit more in those 45 seconds? I think so. The lifts are fantastic, and they came out strong in their first showing.

That's what I feel now too re: the last minute. I also think the ChSt needs some tweaks - don't think the highlight of the music is utilized to the fullest yet. Anyway, it's only early October now.

 

[skatfan]

P/C's program is fantastic, there's no doubt. I like that the character step sequence occurs naturally with the pacing of the music rather than tacking something on at the end to fit it in, but if there's a critique that I have, it's the shapes of the movements in the last 45 seconds to nearly one minute of the program. It's not moving outwards at all, and they are only covering a very small section of center ice throughout. Fits the music? Yes. Can they do a little bit more in those 45 seconds? I think so. The lifts are fantastic, and they came out strong in their first showing.

As far as total body commitment and overall skating, I think P/C just run away with it. They add small flourishes to every single element (and even the in-betweens) that show they are just always in total control and confident with their edges. Some of the teams right behind them are either too proper (stiff) with their alignment or hitting messy positions a lot of the time while trying to be fluid. They are perfectly in between those worlds.

Amazing and so clean for this part of the season. They have increased the kinds of movement they have mastered. And I am distantly related to Faure so I love the music!

 

[Cherub721]

It's really beautiful. Their best FD since 2016. It has more sensuality than they've had in the past.

 

[4rkidz]

Well for me they are amazing technicians but it felt ten mins long. Loved their rhythm dance though. I hope they tweak it and amp it up a bit, great final spin though and their lifts are always great.

 

[Escarbille]

Il peut être encore plus élevé

93.79​

54.33​

39.46​

9.75​

9.75​

10.00​

9.83​

10.00​

Do you know what are the maximum theoretical scores for the RD and for the FD this season?

 

[Jeschke]

Any footage of the men?
Aymoz?

 

[Dobre]

Is there any news on why Galyavieva/Thauron didn't compete?

I was coming in here to see if they had shown up for this. It's very unusual that they have not been entered in any of the early season Challengers. (I'd guess something is up that has delayed their season).

ETA: Double checked their GP assignments. Both of the last events. (Again, I'd guess something has delayed their season). They have some time.

 

[Braulio]

Do you know what are the maximum theoretical scores for the RD and for the FD this season?

Maximum score with all elements called Level 4 and all +5 GOE

Rhythm Dance = 96.14 **
Free Dance = 141.58
Total Score = 237.72

** I couldn't find the exact scale of value and GOE for the Partial Step sequence which base value is 8.46 (0.01 higher than a step sequence) so the GOE could be 4.96 (+0.50-1.00)

 

[millyskate]

Looks like Aymoz had a very rough free skate. I hope this won't be repeated at more important competitions...

He's apparently injured and recovering.

 

[Sylvia]

Found archived videos for the Masters Senior FD event: https://vimeo.com/user123243450

Senior RD: https://vimeo.com/622567025

Junior FD: https://vimeo.com/622323710

Junior RD: https://vimeo.com/622543994