Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

overedge

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I can't believe this thread has lived for 4 years. I would say a big danger from this presidency is that many countries from all over the world start looking down US, especially after the issues have happened this year.

"Start" looking down on the US? I think a lot of countries are already looking down on the US.
 

DORISPULASKI

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The problem with this is does Biden really want his term of president all about putting trump in prison? That would be a big story every day right? I assume it would be


Biden spoke about this on his town hall, at least in part.

Biden said he would appoint top notch prosecutors to the DoJ and leave all prosecutions in their hands. He said they are not his private lawyers. And he is not interested in either grudges or revenge.

Good point. He will lose the election. So no charges would be laid until he is out of office. Yes Biden could pardon him but that is not going to happen. I have no clue though what he’d be charged with except yes I have no doubt he has committed crimes. I normally like to only deal with facts but this man is a sick monster and the fact he refuses to show tax returns .. that’s only one part of it.

i sat up and watched the members of the Lincoln Project zoom video last night and I thought I’d last 20 minutes but I stayed up and watched the whole thing. They said he has lost and that he really couldn’t do another four years financially and with his health. They also said he doesn’t even want what being the president is supposed to do. Just the adulteration and the fringe benefits. I encourage people to listen to it .. they are republicans. I found it extremely interesting.
Link?🙏
 

MacMadame

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I would think it would require a constitutional amendment to be changed,
It would. But there are ways around it.

For one thing, the constitution doesn't specify how States appoint their electors. It's totally up to the state. So there are two ways to deal with the EC and make it fairer.

One is for enough states to pass legislation that requires their electors to vote for the candidate who wins the popular vote. The bills are worded in such a way that they only take effect when enough states to make up at least 270 electors have signed such a bill. So the states who sign don't suffer now when there aren't enough to make a difference. I think we're up 178 electors belonging to states who have signed on.

Another way to lessen the power of the EC is for states to not give their EC votes in a "winner take all" manner. Some states do this already. The elector for each Congressional district is decided by the votes in that district. If all the states did this, then the electors would match the popular vote more often as many "red" states have "blue" districts and vice versa. Maine and Nebraska already do this

And that’s not going to be a big story every day? Even if all the republicans in DC cheer Trump being in prison -which they will - Biden wants to deal with the Trump trial every day?
It's not going to be a big story every day because that's not how the media works. It will be a big deal, for multiple days, when he's first changed, whenever the charges change, there is new information, and during the trial. But in between when there is no new news, it will not be reported and there will be long periods of time where no one is talking about it all.
 

Peaches LaTour

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The problem with this is does Biden really want his term of president all about putting trump in prison? That would be a big story every day right? I assume it would be


Biden has said a couple of times that if he is elected POTUS, he will leave whatever legal prosecution that is brought against Trump to the judicial system. He (Biden) will stay out of it.

And, yes, I believe Joe.
 

caseyedwards

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Biden has said a couple of times that if he is elected POTUS, he will leave whatever legal prosecution that is brought against Trump to the judicial system. He (Biden) will stay out of it.

And, yes, I believe Joe.
That will not hold. It can’t. One president can’t just watch another go to prison without comment. Lol. He’s already breaking on Court packing! In fact if it’s federal prosecutors against Trump Biden Has all the power. It would be bidens justice department and bidens US attorneys. If it’s democrats in NY than it’s Biden and Cuomo.
 

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The Michigan rally has nonstop calls to "lock her up." At this point I'm not even sure who the "her" is. It could be Hillary, it could be Gretchen Whitmer, it could be Ilhan Omar, it could be Kamala Harris, it could basically be any Democratic female politician.
 

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Or maybe he will just pardon himself and all of his kids.
Only for Federal crimes.

People are all focused on November 4th as this being over with when Biden wins. If Biden wins, the earliest "it will be over" is Jan 20th.If Trump concedes that is.

But he can cause a lot of damage to the world before Jan 20th. If he loses and if he concedes.
 

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Well, he's batshit. He tweeted today that all the troops in Afghanistan were coming home before the election. Except, apparently he didn't bother to tell the Pentagon. It's whatever thought crosses his mind at the moment. He's completely manic.

I don't know what her plan is and I think we have to wait and see what actually happens.
Yes the fact that he was self destructing mentally was discussed on the Lincoln Project zoom discussion from the 15th.
 

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The Michigan rally has nonstop calls to "lock her up." At this point I'm not even sure who the "her" is. It could be Hillary, it could be Gretchen Whitmer, it could be Ilhan Omar, it could be Kamala Harris, it could basically be any Democratic female politician.

Goes to show it doesn't even matter. These people are sick. Plus, they need new material.
 

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IMO Trump on trial, or in exile in a foreign country while still tweeting to the masses, is the last thing the US needs. Let him fade into oblivion, and don’t make him into some kind of a martyr. The sideshow and division will continue to dominate the country and maybe the world.

Trump tweeting to his large proportion of supporters, who don’t accept the results of the election as legitimate, while under the protection of a foreign government (and we know it won’t be a good one) is legitimately scary.
 

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IMO Trump on trial, or in exile in a foreign country while still tweeting to the masses, is the last thing the US needs. Let him fade into oblivion, and don’t make him into some kind of a martyr. The sideshow and division will continue to dominate the country and maybe the world.

Trump tweeting to his large proportion of supporters, who don’t accept the results of the election as legitimate, while under the protection of a foreign government (and we know it won’t be a good one) is legitimately scary.
I agree :slinkaway
 

Judy

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The Michigan rally has nonstop calls to "lock her up." At this point I'm not even sure who the "her" is. It could be Hillary, it could be Gretchen Whitmer, it could be Ilhan Omar, it could be Kamala Harris, it could basically be any Democratic female politician.
It could be you 😂. Crazy.
 

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IMO Trump on trial, or in exile in a foreign country while still tweeting to the masses, is the last thing the US needs. Let him fade into oblivion, and don’t make him into some kind of a martyr. The sideshow and division will continue to dominate the country and maybe the world.

Trump tweeting to his large proportion of supporters, who don’t accept the results of the election as legitimate, while under the protection of a foreign government (and we know it won’t be a good one) is legitimately scary.
The WaPo published a series of opinion pieces on this today. They seem split between your POV and saying that we can't recover from the damage Trump has done if there aren't consequences. This article argues both sides and concludes with the idea of having a blue-ribbon commission that examines our elections and makes recommendations to fix the process (such as having a ceiling on how many votes can be thrown out, giving felons who served their time the right to vote).


I like this approach because it's not a commission to put Trump in jail but to fix problems that his reign has uncovered/caused. We could do the same about the ********* approach (I think that commission is inevitable) and maybe some other stuff. If the commission(s) uncover illegal activity on his part, so be it...

If people want to see the other opinions, here are some links. I haven't read them all so don't know how good they are:


 

MacMadame

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The Michigan rally has nonstop calls to "lock her up." At this point I'm not even sure who the "her" is. It could be Hillary, it could be Gretchen Whitmer, it could be Ilhan Omar, it could be Kamala Harris, it could basically be any Democratic female politician.
It was Witmer. Some of her people objected (I think she did too) and Lara Trump's response was something to the effect of it was just Trump "having a little fun."

So what did he do for "fun" after that? Throw lighted matches into piles of gasoline?
 

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You know one thing I absolutely HATE about Trump is the way he likes to pose in pictures with that scowl. He obviously thinks he looks like a tough macho man with his lips pursed like that. It actually makes him look like a kindergarten kid who was told he couldn't have a lollipop.
 

Cachoo

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The Michigan rally has nonstop calls to "lock her up." At this point I'm not even sure who the "her" is. It could be Hillary, it could be Gretchen Whitmer, it could be Ilhan Omar, it could be Kamala Harris, it could basically be any Democratic female politician.
The woman who handles Whitmer’s digital media said every time Trump starts his lock her up bullshit the threats come flooding in to Whitmer. And you know if that happens to her think about Hillary, Kamala and the many Congresswomen he has badgered along with reporters. He is such a sh**head.
 

Judy

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IMO Trump on trial, or in exile in a foreign country while still tweeting to the masses, is the last thing the US needs. Let him fade into oblivion, and don’t make him into some kind of a martyr. The sideshow and division will continue to dominate the country and maybe the world.

Trump tweeting to his large proportion of supporters, who don’t accept the results of the election as legitimate, while under the protection of a foreign government (and we know it won’t be a good one) is legitimately scary.
Yes I can’t disagree. Regardless of whether you are Democrat or Republican the most important thing is to remove him. I even wonder if he will be sane and stable enough to run his own businesses after he’s out.
 

Judy

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The woman who handles Whitmer’s digital media said every time Trump starts his lock her up bullshit the threats come flooding in to Whitmer. And you know if that happens to her think about Hillary, Kamala and the many Congresswomen he has badgered along with reporters. He is such a sh**head.
I am hoping Biden and Harris, Clinton etc have escalated protection with secret service.
 

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