Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

DFJ

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I think the media has to do a better job of pointing out exactly what's at stake here. They keep hammering away on the SC nominee fight. Forget it. That's a lost cause and the Republicans have won. Move on to what will be lost. Women's right to choose, voting rights, climate change, union rights, ACA and that's probably just the beginning. Hammer away at those issues and if those aren't enough to bring Americans onto the streets, well you deserve what you get. I'm sorry, I just can't be sympathetic anymore.
 

canbelto

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I really can't believe he actually said "it affects virtually no one." It's just a shockingly unempathetic way of approaching something that has devastated so many families.

ETA: I just ran into someone on Facebook who said she watched the tape of him saying "it affects virtually nobody" and responded with "that's not what he said. :rolleyes:
 

Aussie Willy

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Well, I was literally left with a decision of what to say to a friend of mine of FB, and how should I handle it. I don't usually begin anything or even start a conversation about politics because I've seen the ugliness amongst friends and how it can so easily get out of hand.

I had been trying to help a friend of mine that lives in Texas. He's had health issues, and is permanently disabled like I am. He lives in Texas, and has hell getting his insurance to help him out.

I'm not sure why. He's been dealing with his blood pressure getting so high that it's become nearly stroke level. He also now has DVT (blood clot) in his leg like I had. His insurance has still denied him. I went to Chat and spoke with him especially about Medicaid because it was there for me when I needed it in 2011 and 2012.

He told me he's been disabled for 15 months. I explained to him that he should qualify for Medicare in around 9 more months because 2 years is the waiting period before he'll receive his Medicare. I explained to him also that he should qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid because his disability income is way less than what I receive each month. I explained about the full subsidies he would qualify for also.

He didn't realize a lot of this, and I'm not sure how it goes with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in Texas. That's why I was concerned why his insurance wasn't covering his bills. He also thought he had to wait until he was 66 (retirement age) before he qualified for Medicare. I told him that he should receive a notification from Medicare right before his 2 year waiting period. The only thing I can think of if maybe it was a pre-existing condition he had and maybe his insurance wouldn't pay because of that. But that shouldn't be the case at all. His insurance (I guess it's Medicaid) should pay for it.

In the mean time, one of my good friends (I went to school with her and she was in my graduating class) decided to respond to my friend. She's a nurse, and she told him that his insurance shouldn't be denying him like that. She explained some procedures of how to look into it.

Then what she told him next totally caught me off guard. She brought politics into it. She told him if he thought it was bad now, just wait and see what happens if a Democrat should become President. She said that it would be dangerous because the left wing people are Socialists.

For the first time, I couldn't hold it in. I contacted her through Chat. I told her that when I acquired Necrotizing Fasciitis and had to be hospitalized, Barack Obama was President. I told her that if it wouldn't have been for Medicaid paying all my hospital bills, meds, etc. that I wouldn't have made it. My hospital bill was mind boggling, and I would have been paying it for the rest of my life if it hadn't been for Medicaid.

I also let her know that Medicaid paid for me to stay at NurseCare. Medicaid also paid for all my meds, Doctor's appointments, ambulance rides to get there, etc. In other words, Medicaid paid for everything.

I told her when I got my Social Security Disability in June of 2012 that I qualified for Medicare a year later. I let her know that Medicaid had given me a full subsidy that paid my Medicare Part B premium each month, and I also had a full subsidy for Medicare Part D. I told her I was also able to get a Medicare Advantage Plan through Humana which was way better than just having only Medicare Part A and Part B (Original Medicare).

I told her that I qualified for the Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security all while Barack Obama was President, and that I feared what may happen if Trump actually did have 4 more years in the White House. I feared I might lose my Social Security Disabilty and my Medicare. I also told her that I can't help but think about how many people would be alive today if Trump wouldn't have hid the facts about the Beer Burden. People could have been using masks months earlier and safe distancing, and it could have saved lives. I told her as a nurse, she should realize herself how many lives could have been saved if Trump would have admitted how dangerous the Beer Burden was from the beginning.

I don't know what may happen. I may have lost a friend because of what I've said. If I have lost her as a friend because of this, then she apparently wasn't that good of a friend.

I told her one more thing before I finished the conversation. I told her that I was a Democrat, but I also voted for whom I believed would do the job as a President. I told her that I also was not a Socialist by any means ... instead that I was an honest friend of whom she's known all her life.
Good for you. It is important to explain exactly what happened to yourself and the benefits of it. There are probably also the massive bills that people who have been through the ***** are now getting. From what I understand they are hundreds of thousands.

I found it interesting when I visited the US 4 years ago during the conventions. I meet some Trump supporters at the time and had very respectful conversations. They were obviously interested in Australia. But what I did say to them was that with our healthcare in Australia, I had radiation treatment for skin cancer (on my butt of all places) which was totally covered by our Medicare. One of them asked me if I paid anything for it. Yep we have a levy on our taxes which ends up costing me about $1,200 a year which I don't even have to pay out of pocket because it comes out of my salary before tax. So I don't even see it.

Anyway that treatment would have cost thousands and yet apart from my medications everything was free to me with no out of pocket expenses. That is what universal healthcare is about. And why I cannot understand why people would want to see a healthcare system that doesn't provide a level of care that people should not have to worry about it.
 

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If anyone cares to write to people asking them to vote, go to VoteForward.org. The letters are prepared for you to print, add your own story, mail.
 

Aussie Willy

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A rather disturbing report on Rachel's show tonight on the CDC (backed up, BTW, with documents). It would appear that organization has lost its credibility. Yet another disaster of the Trump administration. 💀💀
There was a discussion on Planet America PEP podcast which talked about the same thing.
 

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I think it is Trump's goal to undermine the CDC.

But I still trust Dr. Fauci. If he says that a vaccine is safe, I will believe him.

It amazes me why Trump thinks he can win the election by announcing a vaccine and yet is clueless about the fact that people have to trust the organizations that help produce, approve, & distribute it. Otherwise--dude--why would we be grateful enough to vote for you? :wall:
 

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Trump Expands Ban On Racial Sensitivity Training To Federal Contractors

Three guesses as to who seriously needs racial sensitivity training.
 

Aussie Willy

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Trump Expands Ban On Racial Sensitivity Training To Federal Contractors

Three guesses as to who seriously needs racial sensitivity training.
So his attitude is that there doesn't need to be any training because according to him there is no problem? Because everyone is created equal apparently and we are all individuals who should be respected.

So if he believes in this, that there is no need to race and sex sensitivity training, then why doesn't he practice it himself?
 

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Then what she told him next totally caught me off guard. She brought politics into it. She told him if he thought it was bad now, just wait and see what happens if a Democrat should become President. She said that it would be dangerous because the left wing people are Socialists.

I don't know what may happen. I may have lost a friend because of what I've said. If I have lost her as a friend because of this, then she apparently wasn't that good of a friend.

I told her one more thing before I finished the conversation. I told her that I was a Democrat, but I also voted for whom I believed would do the job as a President. I told her that I also was not a Socialist by any means ... instead that I was an honest friend of whom she's known all her life.

No.

I told her that I was a Democrat, but I also voted for whom I believed would do the job as a President. I told her that I also was not a Socialist by any means ... instead that I was an honest friend of whom she's known all her life.

People that equate democrats/liberals with socialism are really :confused: in my opinion.

I've heard Americans call Canada a socialist country. I suppose because we have universal healthcare, as do most/all countries in the western developed world, excepting the US.

I don't really understand why universal healthcare would seem threatening to some people, unless they were elitists who wanted women/minorities to be repressed in terms of right. I can understand concerns about taxation, but should a person need very expensive medical care, isn't it better if they don't go bankrupt?
 

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Americans throw around the word "socialist" without really knowing what it means.

Yes, many on the left seem to think it's so great, ignoring:
  • Stalin
  • Tito
  • Castro
  • Chavez / Maduro

A lot of dictators rode in on platforms that sound a lot more like Sanders or AOC.... making themselves rich and their countries poor.

Scandinavia is not the socialist paradise many people think it is. Not the most unbiased source, but:

I don't trust "socialist" anything, including "socialist Democrat."
 

Aussie Willy

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Yes, many on the left seem to think it's so great, ignoring:
  • Stalin
  • Tito
  • Castro
  • Chavez / Maduro

A lot of dictators rode in on platforms that sound a lot more like Sanders or AOC.... making themselves rich and their countries poor.

Scandinavia is not the socialist paradise many people think it is. Not the most unbiased source, but:

I don't trust "socialist" anything, including "socialist Democrat."
What about "Facist Republican"? Because that seems to be where the US is heading under Trump. And he seems to be behaving like a bit of dictator.
 

Reuven

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I don't really understand why universal healthcare would seem threatening to some people, unless they were elitists who wanted women/minorities to be repressed in terms of right. I can understand concerns about taxation, but should a person need very expensive medical care, isn't it better if they don't go bankrupt?
Their usual response is along the lines of: Why should my taxes go to pay for someone else’s medical care? Of course, these same idjits have no clue about how insurance works.
 

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What's today's equivalent of the 70's "Burn!"?

Speaking to thousands of tightly packed together supporters at Pittsburgh International Airport, many of whom were not wearing face masks, the president suggested Ms Omar, 37, was telling Americans "how to run our country” as he attempted to fire up his base in the key swing state ahead of November's election.
In a textbook example of dog-whistle racism, Mr Trump then asked Ms Omar: “How is your country doing?” Ms Omar, elected to the House of Representatives in 2019, was born in Somalia but was granted asylum in the US as a child. She later gained US citizenship.

Ms Omar, who has been a vocal critic of the Trump administration, was quick to hit back at the president. "Firstly, this is my country & I am a member of the House that impeached you," she wrote in a message posted on Twitter. "Secondly, I fled civil war when I was 8. An 8-year-old doesn’t run a country even though you run our country like one."
:cheer2:
 

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Their usual response is along the lines of: Why should my taxes go to pay for someone else’s medical care? Of course, these same idjits have no clue about how insurance works.

I know, it's amazing, and even when explained, some still don't get it. They're in an endless loop of not someone else.
 

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