Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

MsZem

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I came across a tidbit about Donald Trump in a book I was reading which I thought perfectly reflected who Donald Trump is and his mindset, which I don't think has changed much over the years.

The book is the Bomb by Fred Kaplan, and it relates that in 1989 when George H. W. Bush was getting ready to select a chief negotiator for the Strategic Arms Reduction Talks (START), Donald Trump made it known that he would like to be selected! Trump had written the Art of the Deal and was quite convinced that he was the greatest deal maker in world history, or at least convinced that he could convince everyone else of that.
"Written".

It does sound like a very Trump thing to have happened.
 

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All this excitement about how trump "knew". Did he really know? Does he know anything? He said those things to Woodward like it's really bad and five times worse than the flu, and a plague. Does he really believe that or did he think he was just exaggerating like he always does? Does he think? Why does anybody ask him anything? Either he is exaggerating or he's kidding or he blames someone else or repeats something he's heard that has no basis in fact. And his supporters are just as stupid for believing anything he says.
 

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That article links to this one in the NY Times which reports the Texas Republican party adopting the QAnon-inspired slogan "We are the Storm" which also has echoes of Nazism. :eek:


Late last month, as the Texas Republican Party was shifting into campaign mode, it unveiled a new slogan, lifting a rallying cry straight from a once-unthinkable source: the internet-driven conspiracy theory known as QAnon.

The new catchphrase, “We Are the Storm,” is an unsubtle cue to a group that the F.B.I. has labeled a potential domestic terrorist threat. It is instantly recognizable among QAnon adherents, signaling what they claim is a coming conflagration between President Trump and what they allege, falsely, is a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophile Democrats who seek to dominate America and the world.

The slogan can be found all over social media posts by QAnon followers, and now, too, in emails from the Texas Republican Party and on the T-shirts, hats and sweatshirts that it sells. It has even worked its way into the party’s text message system — a recent email from the party urged readers to “Text STORM2020” for updates.
I've been wondering how many people really follow QAnon or whether its been blown out of proportion by news media looking for a story. But the articles about people being sucked into it because it purports to be about child sex trafficking and "saving the children" are concerning because they indicate that it is reaching beyond far right circles and perhaps could fuse with other similar concerns such as this Netflix should testify before Congress over Cuties? The culture war is out of control
 

Aussie Willy

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I think if Trump wasn't the centre of QAnon it would just be another conspiracy theory. But because it massages his ego it becomes a focus.
 

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Isn’t there a famous racist white supremacist site called Storm Front or something? Aren’t these Republicans aware of such things? Or worse...they are and still adopted it.
 

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Isn’t there a famous racist white supremacist site called Storm Front or something? Aren’t these Republicans aware of such things? Or worse...they are and still adopted it.
Yes I think Storm Front is a neo nazi website. There were also the Storm Troopers. It is just a bit disturbing.
 

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Jamelle Bouie in the New York Times also talks about the statements Trump is making that challenge the legitimacy of the election.

"The only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that. It’s the only way we’re going to lose this election, so we have to be very careful."

Along with this warning comes Trump’s call for supporters to act as “poll watchers” to prevent imaginary fraud at voting locations. “Watch it,” he said last week during a rally in North Carolina. “Be poll watchers when you go there. Watch all the thieving and stealing and robbing they do.” He added that after they vote, his supporters should “make sure it counts” because the “only way” Democrats can win is by “doing very bad things.”

There’s also the president’s rhetoric toward his political opponents. Asked on Fox News about “riots” if he wins re-election, Trump said he would “put them down very quickly,” before adding:

Look, it’s called insurrection. We just send in and we do it, very easy. I mean, it’s very easy. I’d rather not do that because there’s no reason for it, but if we had to we’d do that and put it down within minutes.
... In a half-functioning country, all of the president’s rhetoric on this score would be grounds for removal from office. But we don’t live in a half-functioning country — we live in the United States of America.
This is not normal. This is not acceptable. Yet it seems like it is just being reported as part of the election campaign, rather than unprecedented, undemocratic, dangerous rhetoric from a sitting president.

One wonders what is in the minds of Republican leaders like Mitch McConnell. Does he ever consider that by keeping his mouth shut he is putting our democracy at risk?
 

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I'm currently on Zoom listening to a five part series from the NYC Bar Association on the current legal state of our country. This one is titled, " Rule of Law Forum – Preserving the Rule of Law in an Age of Disruption | Session 1: Threats to the Rule of Law in America: A Survey "

The next one is Rule of Law Forum Session 2: Checks, Balances and Oversight.

Unfortunately, I discarded the initial descriptions of the final three but they are all highly pertinent in this day and age. It is free for non-lawyers.

Within the first 15 minutes for the first presenter, the speaker has identified certain key patterns and the examples given pertain to the Trump Administration. He is drawing parallels with the Nazis and the Weimar administration.
 

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I'm currently on Zoom listening to a five part series from the NYC Bar Association on the current legal state of our country. This one is titled, " Rule of Law Forum – Preserving the Rule of Law in an Age of Disruption | Session 1: Threats to the Rule of Law in America: A Survey "

The next one is Rule of Law Forum Session 2: Checks, Balances and Oversight.

Unfortunately, I discarded the initial descriptions of the final three but they are all highly pertinent in this day and age. It is free for non-lawyers.

Within the first 15 minutes for the first presenter, the speaker has identified certain key patterns and the examples given pertain to the Trump Administration. He is drawing parallels with the Nazis and the Weimar administration.
The final three are:
Session 3: Interference with Judicial Independence and Local Law Enforcement;
Session 4: Threats to Individual and Societal Rights; and
Session 5: Rebuilding the Rule of Law in America: What Can and Should the Legal Profession, Individual Lawyers and Citizens Do?

All five sessions have some seriously impressive panelists, ranging from active litigators, legal scholars, policy-makers, and working federal judges. These people know what they're talking about unlike some others in this thread.
 

sk9tingfan

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The final three are:
Session 3: Interference with Judicial Independence and Local Law Enforcement;
Session 4: Threats to Individual and Societal Rights; and
Session 5: Rebuilding the Rule of Law in America: What Can and Should the Legal Profession, Individual Lawyers and Citizens Do?

All five sessions have some seriously impressive panelists, ranging from active litigators, legal scholars, policy-makers, and working federal judges. These people know what they're talking about unlike some others in this thread.
Thanks for finding them! :cheer2: Joyce Vance just started speaking. 🍿
 

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All this excitement about how trump "knew". Did he really know? Does he know anything? He said those things to Woodward like it's really bad and five times worse than the flu, and a plague. Does he really believe that or did he think he was just exaggerating like he always does? Does he think? Why does anybody ask him anything? Either he is exaggerating or he's kidding or he blames someone else or repeats something he's heard that has no basis in fact. And his supporters are just as stupid for believing anything he says.
This is part of why Woodward didn't publish this info right away. For example, Trump said that it was airborne in Feb. But back in Feb, the scientists were still trying to figure out how airborne it was. They weren't even sure in Jan. if there was person-to-person transmission. Hence why we were all using up all the disinfecting wipes.

I think the main point to me is that Trump was saying one thing in private and another publicly. Also, that he was willing to admit it was bad in private even if he wasn't getting the detail 100% correct.
 

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Aussie Willy

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The only danger is if commie Socialists Biden and Kamala take the reigns.
Sounds like the quick soundbites that Trump espouses because he knows his supporters will swallow it up hook line and sinker because they don't even know what socialism means. Seriously??? You are trying to say that to the rest of us here and thinking we buy that BS.

I suppose we should just keep you around for sh*ts and giggles. Or maybe tell us what drugs you are on because they must pretty good.
 

Aussie Willy

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Unbelievable. How can't everyone see the parallels to Naziism? I don't (allow myself to) believe that there are doctors in this country capable of such atrocities. But in this new lawless Trump world with no rule of law I suppose these doctors think they will be protected? It didn't work out for the Nazis, it will be worse today. Or not.... :(
Don't mean to sound glib but I suppose at least there is only one country to the north and one to the south that he could invade directly from the US. And he probably wouldn't want any of the central american countries because to him they are probably all sh*tholes. Oh wait that was Africa he was talking about.
 

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Unbelievable. How can't everyone see the parallels to Naziism? I don't (allow myself to) believe that there are doctors in this country capable of such atrocities. But in this new lawless Trump world with no rule of law I suppose these doctors think they will be protected? It didn't work out for the Nazis, it will be worse today. Or not.... :(
There are always people who would do anything for power and/or money. I mean, look at the CDC and the FDA. They may not all be doctors but they have a responsibility towards the public and the public's health as well. And yet, they are allowing politicians to dictate what they publish, how they word what they publish and what they issue authorizations for.
 

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