Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

el henry

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My niece in Center City Philadelphia is not locked down and never has been. Spent a lovely socially correct evening in Clark Park with some friends a few weeks ago.

than again, she is an ICU nurse. She treats ********* patients. She sees 24 year olds on ventilators who are never, in all probability, coming off. So she’s not a “but muh freedoms” gal.

so, yes, if someone in Philadelphia says they are locked down, (ETA: due to C-word) they are lying. Hell, even Big Gay Ice Cream is open:D
 
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Was anyone locked in anywhere? People were locked out of "non essential businesses" in some states, Pennsylvania being one.

But was there any state in the country where people were " locked in "other than residents of nursing homes and jails?

Or people asked to stay locked down themselves, other than those testing positive, or having moved to that state from a different state?


In CT, the owners of non essential businesses were allowed to enter their places of business but not to open them until allowed. How else could they manage the changes they needed to make to be allowed to open?

Two stories about openings in CT:

Two huge enterprise, Foxwoods & Mohegan Sun:
"Despite state warning, thousands try their luck at reopened casinos"

Montville mayor tours Mohegan Sun, just prior to opening

And a bunch of very small businesses:
"Barber shops, hair salons welcome back customers"

Small local Restaurants, open with patio seating:


Manana

On the Waterfront

Norm's Diner - note Patio seating to right

Lenny & Joe's

Outdoor concerts to start a couple weeks later than usual, but on the schedule: O




Now Trump locked a lot of people down in cruise ships, but that was not the fault of governors.
 
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My niece in Center City Philadelphia is not locked down and never has been. Spent a lovely socially correct evening in Clark Park with some friends a few weeks ago.

than again, she is an ICU nurse. She treats ********* patients. She sees 24 year olds on ventilators who are never, in all probability, coming off. So she’s not a “but muh freedoms” gal.

so, yes, if someone in Philadelphia says they are locked down, (ETA: due to C-word) they are lying. Hell, even Big Gay Ice Cream is open:D
Longtime FSU poster who lost interest in skating many years ago but still lurks occasionally.

You are arguing semantics.

Philadelphia is in essence locked down, even if it's not a literal lockdown like they had in Wuhan or even countries in Europe where you had to have papers to show you were leaving for essential purposes. If you don't live in one of these large US cities suffering greatly from no commerce, no entertainment, forbidden socialization, etc. where every single day you look out your window and all you see are businesses shuttered (except the Target and Rite Aid) and people in masks veering away from each other on the sidewalk for 11 weeks and counting, then you need to keep your opinion to yourself.

I live in Center City Philadelphia. We are still under a stay at home order that is, semantically speaking, one step above lockdown. It was supposed to expire on Friday but now looks like it will remain. I'm tired of takeout, though mine isn't from Big Gay Ice Cream (I live on the other side of Center City closer to the Art Museum.) I'm not, but most of my neighbors are still scared sh*tless of the crud, and only go on socially distanced walks if they leave the house at all. My condo board is fining people for not wearing masks. No one is going to work outside of the Acme, Rite Aid and Whole Foods. No one is going to school. No one is really going to any kind of entertainment whatsoever except clandestine get togethers. Everyone I work with in my cushy now 100% WFH corporate job - even those in the burbs which are also still under the exact same Pennsylvania Stay at Home orders - are visibly more stressed, bored and angry as this drags on. Most are trying to juggle two professional jobs and 2-3 kids with varying degrees of even understanding why they cannot see their friends depending on the child's age. More and more were beginning to open up to me that I was right and there is no justification for the extension of these extreme shut downs.

I've been going on 5-7 mile walks every evening up and down the West River (MLK) and Kelly Drives and around the Art Museum since early April. (Can't work out...) About 3 weeks ago - pre-Floyd, pre-Central Park lady - I noticed a marked increase in reckless driving everywhere. Louder car stereos. I noticed more and more gangs of kids out on motorcycles and ATVs terrorizing streets - Girard Ave, Broad Street, the Parkway. This has been escalating daily until all hell broke loose Saturday night. What else is there to do if you're a bored teenager or young adult with no job, no place to go? Even the hoops were removed from the playgrounds.

Regardless, Philadelphia is now for a large part destroyed. I've heard nothing but helicopters, sirens and explosions since Saturday night. I walked through the looted Center City Sunday, down to the Schuylkill River banks and just cried. There is nothing left to reopen on Friday even if we were still going to.

I don't care about politics anymore. I don't care who's right or wrong of if they are R or D. I don't care about Trump anymore. I just want it all to stop.
 

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No, he isn't holding anything. Just raising his hand to acknowledge the salute from the crowd.
I was told it was Mein Kempf but it turns out he wasn't holding anything according to Snopes.com

 

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Interesting reaction to this situation--to "not care about Trump anymore." After everything he's done, and threatened to do, and also failed to do? I WISH I could not care about Trump any more.

Speaking of Trump, here are two interesting (albeit rather grim) perspectives on the Trump presidency at this point in time:

America at the Breaking Point (good historical perspective relative to the 1960s)


We've Now Entered the Final Phase of the Trump Era (more focus on foreign policy here)
 

el henry

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I live in Lehigh County, which is also under what you term a "lockdown" order until Friday. For quite some time, we had the highest percentage of C-word in the state. My sister and brother live in Bucks County, their adults kids in Philly.

My experience and their experience is quite different from yours as to C Word related restrictions, either in the Lehigh Valley, the city, or the burbs. As I intimated, my niece gets out plenty as she walks over the South Street bridge to her ICU. She is not relating to stir-craziness.;). None of my friends consider the restrictions "extreme" shutdowns. But persons are different and will have different reactions🤷‍♀️. ETA: I generally find that the "extreme" or "draconian" language is used by those who never liked Gov. Wolf in the first place.

I edited my post to specifically refer to C word related restrictions, and not to the violence. Two different issues. No George Floyd, no riots. I am grieved by what has happened in Philly; the Lehigh Valley had protests and no violence.

And at this point, I truly only hope our nation makes it and I live long enough to vote that madman in the White House out. I voted by mail last week for Uncle Joe, so I'm practicing🙂
 

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Danger of a Trump Presidency No. 2: Mass contagion.

Recall of West Point cadets for Trump address creates logistics hurdles and health concerns

Your tax dollars at work.

These are otherwise healthy people in their early twenties. Do not expect such low numbers among the delegates to the Republican National Convention if it happens off line.
 

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Trump is also trying to defend constitutional freedoms, and to restore law and order so that people can go about life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
"When the looting starts, the shooting starts" is a catchy and fun slogan for DT and his violent ilk who enjoy doing these things for political gain, but it's really all about his image for the upcoming election. We already learned the hard way once the shooting starts they are not really shooting the looters, but murdering America's children with zeal and satisfaction to punish the people who won't go along to get along.

Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Scheuer, William Schroeder. Their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness was ripped from them by politicians with blood on their hands.

Trump is bringing back his very own version of the good ole days as he reinvents a time of real pain in America for his own self serving purposes. I'm so sorry to see you throw in with him.
 

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These are otherwise healthy people in their early twenties. Do not expect such low numbers among the delegates to the Republican National Convention if it happens off line.
I don't think older people are more likely to get sick, so much as they are more likely to get sicker and be at much greater risk of dying.

Too bad. :saint: (Rick Wilson from The Lincoln Project suggested Guam. I agree. And then we quarantine the island. No one allowed to get off :D)
What has Guam done to deserve this?

Put them all in Mar-a-Lago and quarantine that.
 

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You know he will either cancel election or will use military to declare it void if he lose?
Because he will.
 

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I don't think older people are more likely to get sick, so much as they are more likely to get sicker and be at much greater risk of dying.
At a minimum, West Point cadets are far less likely than Republican National Convention delegates to have underlying conditions that make them vulnerable to the disease.
 

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Then are the reports of my friends in Philadelphia, New York, San Francisco, etc. are fake news? You have anecdotes. I have anecdotes. I've linked to government sources that indicate substantial portions of the U.S. are still on lockdown / under shelter in place orders, some indefinitely.
I don't know about the orders, as I live in Canada, which is also reopening.

Your position about the lockdown situation has perplexed me and continues to perplex me. The reason being that who wants to get the crud? It seems like you want to defend your civil liberty to get a sickness that might not only kill you, but also kill other people. That's all. Meanwhile other people have been willing to SIP and remain cautious about going out in public because they don't want to get the crud (excepting certain groups/individuals who like to flaunt restrictions).

Your civil liberties are no good for you if you are dead.

Have you read the accounts of people who have had the crud?

I don't think you are a masochist, and nor are you a stupid individual by any means. So, your position continues to perplex me.
 
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