Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

snoopy

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Trump didn’t want to use the federal government to save lives but is all for using the federal government to take them.
 

Aussie Willy

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Wow just wow. I am not surprised it has come to this. The man is a dictator and no better than all the despots he claims should be taken out.
 

Aussie Willy

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Someone just shared a picture on FB showing all the dictators that have held the bible in their hands, including Hitler and Sadam Hussein.

Thought I would check quotes from George Orwell's 1984 and found this one

The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. . . . Power is not a means; it is an end . . . not power over things, but over men. . . . In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. . . . There will be no loyalty, except loyalty toward the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. . . . Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.
 

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Love Mark Hamill on Instagram.

 

skatingguy

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Tucker Carlson is blaming Jared for what is happening. :)

As much as don't like the activities of Kushner, or his family, this feels like blame the Jewish guy. The narrative of the President being led astray, and failing to protect the President's 'people' (ie. white people) seems to be thinly failed anti-Semitic trope.
 

MacMadame

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As much as don't like the activities of Kushner, or his family, this feels like blame the Jewish guy. The narrative of the President being led astray, and failing to protect the President's 'people' (ie. white people) seems to be thinly failed anti-Semitic trope.
Well they were never going to blame Trump. No matter what he does, they never blame him.
 

Aussie Willy

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As much as don't like the activities of Kushner, or his family, this feels like blame the Jewish guy. The narrative of the President being led astray, and failing to protect the President's 'people' (ie. white people) seems to be thinly failed anti-Semitic trope.
Trump would throw anyone under the bus, even his mother, if he knew that it was going to protect him. Well put it this way, I don't think he would jump in and defend Jared against Carlson, regardless of how wrong or out of line Carlson is.
 

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BTW - maybe want to do you research about the Australian political system before calling me out on my comments about US politics. Barnaby as Deputy PM could actually never be the PM because he is a member of the Nationals which are in coalition with the Liberals who are the majority member of the coalition. It is usually the leader of the Nationals who is the Deputy as a coalition arrangement and they are caretaker PM when the PM goes overseas or is on holidays. But if the PM died or stood down, a Liberal member would take their place.

Also if you want another skary politician to watch in Australia who would seek to be PM try Peter Dutton (who looks like a potato). Not as bad as Trump but not someone I would like to see as PM.
You're right. I don't know enough about the political structure of your country other than what I peruse in the news or what I hear from our Australian neighbor. But I also don't obsess over your politicians to the point of making death wishes against them. I try to focus on actions I can actually take to fight Trumpism, like finding more people in my neighborhood to register to vote for November. Some locals got together and started a grassroots "add 100" initiative - get a hundred neighbors to each reach out personally to find 100 new voters. When I finish another hundred, it will make two hundred since 2018 and that will be my personal contribution. Thus the frustration in my last post. I tire of the constant drumbeat with the broad brush criticisms when a lot of us here continue to seek a different outcome, even in the midst of suffering from multiple crises. It is possible for people to criticize Trump and other individuals as much as they want without kicking the rest of us when we are down.
 

Aussie Willy

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You're right. I don't know enough about the political structure of your country other than what I peruse in the news or what I hear from our Australian neighbor. But I also don't obsess over your politicians to the point of making death wishes against them. I try to focus on actions I can actually take to fight Trumpism, like finding more people in my neighborhood to register to vote for November. Some locals got together and started a grassroots "add 100" initiative - get a hundred neighbors to each reach out personally to find 100 new voters. When I finish another hundred, it will make two hundred since 2018 and that will be my personal contribution. Thus the frustration in my last post. I tire of the constant drumbeat with the broad brush criticisms when a lot of us here continue to seek a different outcome, even in the midst of suffering from multiple crises. It is possible for people to criticise Trump and other individuals as much as they want without kicking the rest of us when we are down.
If you want to view what I said as kicking everyone when they are down then that is your prerogative and your choice. That is certainly not my intention. But what happens in the US does permeate to Australia.

Politicians like Pauline Hanson have been emboldened by Trump with her racist rhetoric. Along with some of our more extreme right wing politicians who look at the Republicans as role models. At the moment we have legislation called the Religious Freedom Act which is designed to discriminate against the LGBTQI community. This was promised after our Same Sex Marriage vote to placate those right wing politicians.

Also political correctness is a battleground. Guess who might have an influence on that? Extreme right wing commentators love Trump and think his way of doing things is great. At the moment I am watching an Australian program called The Drum which is looking at the situation in the US and one of the commentators there really didn't have much of a problem with sending in the national guard to stop the rioting. You also cannot have a discussion on Facebook with either left or right wing people without things turning into a slanging match. The level of political discussion is probably at an all time low.

Australia followed the US into Afghanistan and Iraq over the weapons of mass destruction lie (that was our PM John Howard we have to thank for that one). I think we still have troops there. 41 soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan.

We have US bases in Australia that do satellite surveillance (Pine Gap). We also have trade agreements and military alliances. In fact if you watch read the book or watch the movie "The Falcon and the Snowman" it talks about the US interference in Gough Whitlam being sacked as Prime Minister in 1975.

Shall I go on?

I think it is great you are trying to galvanise voters and make a difference to where the US is going in the future. But please understand that what happens there does influence us.

Maybe I can also explain it through a song. Back in the 80s one of my favourite bands was The The. One of their songs Heartland, while about the political situation in the UK, has the last line "This is the 51st state of the USA" actually explains really well how the US is viewed outside of the US. Still the main content of the song can be applied to the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPSO8pdAX6c.
 
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I'm glad people are now concerned about dictators - maybe we can take out dictators Cuomo, Newsom, Wolf, Breed, etc. along with dictator Trump.

I don't like any of them, but the way I see it:
  • Trump is a terrible racist and instigator, unfit for office. Trump is also trying to defend constitutional freedoms, and to restore law and order so that people can go about life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I am trying to my best to separate the two.
  • Most Democrats are trying to restrict freedoms and to incite lawlessness. Everyone is locked at home, except prisoners who are set free. No one can leave the house, except if they want to loot and steal. And they should make sure to get tested after they loot, steal, riot, and set fire to things - criminals to the front of the line in the medical system! That's basically San Francisco policy at this point. If there were a God, I think he or she would be more inclined to smite the whole Bay Area (maybe with Mitina's house being the single island remaining :lol:) than the Bible out of Trump's hands.
 

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Louis - no one here is locked at home anymore. Give it a rest.
This just isn't true: Many states are only in regional or phased reopenings that are not much different than total lockdown.

"Shelter in place" is still the law in California, and San Francisco has made it indefinite, which is an outrageous violation of freedom and unprecedented power grab.
 

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@Louis Oh how we are suffering as we move into Phase 2 of reopening:lol:

I had my hair done yesterday. I went out to dinner last night with my son Kenneth (from Massachusetts), who had been taking a customer out to dinner and a game of golf in Rhode Island. In both cases, the meals were in covered patios of the restaurants involved. It was nippy in the evening, so the patio heaters were on. The waitress wore a mask, we wore masks from the car to our table, hand sanitizer was supplied at the door, disposable plates and cutlery were used. The menu was on a whiteboard. We had a nice view from the patio.

In CT, there are a lot of jobs listed! But some small businesses are struggling. My 3 favorite restaurants are doing ok, either doing takeout, or takeout plus patio dining. The casinos have reopened, but the governor has put up signs on the road to the casino exhorting those over 65 "not to gamble with your health" ;) It is rumored the tribes will be having further layoffs at the casinos, though.

BTW, the situation is much the same in NJ, RI, and most of NY. Most outdoor activities are open, including the beaches, though occupancy is limited to preserve social distancing. Golf cart occupancy is limited to one per cart. We are serious about masks when in stores where you can't self distance.

Churches have a lot of restrictions, and many are doing very well on line. Last month, collections were as budgeted at my church.

VT is even more open, but is serious about people coming in from out of state self quarantining.

Massachusetts is opening a little more slowly, as Is New York City. They were hit harder than the other NE states.

The ability to open faster here in CT has been almost entirely gated by our ability to test and trace.
 
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Louis

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Is this your link?


I see a whole lot of open and opening by June 4.
Which is not now. People have been and still are locked at home. The left wing keeps trying to say otherwise. It's false. Fake news. We have to challenge fake news from the left (of which there's plenty on this board) as well as from the right. Places in the U.S. remain under INDEFINITE shelter in place, which is completely unacceptable whether it's coming from a Democrat, a Republican, or anyone else.

Others may be willing to give up their civil liberties. I am not, and I'm not about to let some liberals take mine away.
 

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@Louis why do you think my report of my own family's personal experiences are fake news? I live in CT on the RI border. One son lives half time in VT and half time in CT. The other son lives in Massachusetts, but also has a house in Maine. My favorite niece lives in NH.

The governors of NJ, CT, and NY are coordinating their actions.

How are you more equipped in your bunker apartment in London to tell me what is going on in my own house???

Nobody is locked into their house, although the situation in NYC may be different, and is now more difficult due to demonstrations and rioting.

 

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@DORISPULASKI I'm in CT, too (Western side), and I was never locked inside my house. I was able to go outside, walk to the reserve around the corner, go to the grocery store, and even go to Walmart. All before restrictions were lifted! I was even able to go to BJ's. Now that things have lifted a bit, I haven't noticed a big change. I'm still going about doing my thing, in a mask, yes, but still doing my thing.
 

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Please don't encourage him.
I almost posted a response but I took a breath, figured others would respond, and realized it really isn't worth it. People will believe what they want no matter how many ways or times we say something. The best we can do is counter with our own links and stories.
 

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Louis is a black and white thinker - all of you who are capable of nuance are only driving yourselves crazy by trying to convince him that the world is full of colour. He is not absorbing a single one of your attempts to make him see any bit of shade.
 

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@Louis why do you think my report of my own family's personal experiences are fake news?
Then are the reports of my friends in Philadelphia, New York, San Francisco, etc. are fake news? You have anecdotes. I have anecdotes. I've linked to government sources that indicate substantial portions of the U.S. are still on lockdown / under shelter in place orders, some indefinitely.
 

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Then are the reports of my friends in Philadelphia, New York, San Francisco, etc. are fake news? You have anecdotes. I have anecdotes. I've linked to government sources that indicate substantial some portions of the U.S. are still on lockdown / under partial shelter in place orders, some indefinitely.
 

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