Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

caseyedwards

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I’m surprised you didn’t mention David French (National Review). The wrath that he’s received on Twitter in the last week is pretty incredible.
I forgot him. There are so many. Post trump I believe it’s possible everything goes back to normal for republicans pretty quickly! Bush family retakes control or Kasich is nominee or Sasse. The Republican Party really hasn’t changed at all. They blocked all of trumps main wishes in 2017 and 2018
 

clairecloutier

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So this article explains some of the reason why many women are migrating from central America to the U.S.--widespread, state- and church-sponsored misogyny, particularly in Honduras:

"I Can No Longer Continue to Live Here"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/07/domestic-violence-immigration-asylum-caravan-honduras-central-america-227086

This article is important IMO because it shows what happens when women lose control of their bodies and reproductive rights. Far from helping society, it encourages systemic breakdown.
 

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I think he meant using the Moon to get to Mars was part of the plan. But he's so incoherent and has such poor communication skills that it's hard to parse.

Also, if we have to go to the Moon to get to Mars and he's okay with that, then why is he complaining that NASA is planning to go to the Moon?
Maybe he wants to spend all that money on his "Space Force"?

Another thing that has been irritating lately in relation to the trade wars - How long have we been the richest country in the world? But he keeps saying all these other countries are stealing from us and owe us money. How are both possible? I know - he's an idiot, but why doesn't somebody mention that.
 

mag

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So this article explains some of the reason why many women are migrating from central America to the U.S.--widespread, state- and church-sponsored misogyny, particularly in Honduras:

"I Can No Longer Continue to Live Here"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/07/domestic-violence-immigration-asylum-caravan-honduras-central-america-227086

This article is important IMO because it shows what happens when women lose control of their bodies and reproductive rights. Far from helping society, it encourages systemic breakdown.
Democrats need to stand up in the House and take turns reading that article. They need to bring some of these people to Washington and have them speak. They need to fill the next State of the Union with people like those in the article. Those smug, rich, mostly white male republicans need to be brought face to face with what the real world is like. Trump need to be brought face to face with these people. Mitch McConnell needs to be brought face to face with these people. The media need to start asking point blank questions of every person who claims to be “pro life” about how any of what is happening is pro life or how their god could possibly allow this to happen.

It makes me so angry.
 

demetriosj

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Really? I wouldn't say "pot calling the kettle black" because I believe this is the first time you've 'called' me out and it's because of what I've noticed and posted about your posts. I've observed that if you disagree with what someone else has posted that you're very blunt and sarcastic because it's not necessarily an opinion that you're posting.

You feel you're correct and that no one else is. It's what only you say that is correct and everyone else is wrong. You do in a way feel that you're superior, and no one else on this board knows what they're talking about.

To me, that's not a discussion or idea you wish to discuss in a civil manner … not even about the pros and cons of the matter at hand. You actually don't wish to have a conversation when you decide to respond to someone's post that you don't like. Instead, you become very rude and sarcastic instead of giving an opinion that others can have a discussion with you about.
To repeat, pot calling the kettle black. The only accepted views on this board are far-left socialist ones. All other views are mocked and dismissed.
 

Prancer

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To repeat, pot calling the kettle black. The only accepted views on this board are far-left socialist ones. All other views are mocked and dismissed.
IME, views on this board that are well supported with reason and facts (with links or other references to credible sources) are treated with respect. There aren't a lot of them from left or right, but the ones who actually take the time and effort to make an intelligent case for themselves fare quite well.

People who just post a dismissive line or two don't get a lot of respect and IMO haven't done anything to deserve it.
 

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Nicholas Kristof: Guatemalans can watch crops wither and die or migrate


In Guatemala, the effects of drought and subsequent starvation also drive Guatemalans to immigrate.

My student winner, Mia Armstrong of Arizona State University, and I have heard from innumerable Guatemalans that the most fundamental driver of emigration is desperation — and, to an extent that most Americans don’t appreciate, this desperation often reflects drought and severe weather linked to climate change.
“Food doesn’t grow here anymore,” Jorge Jorge said. “That’s why I would send my son north.”
Kristof also mentions other factors:

There are other factors as well, and the despair also reflects a marginalization of Mayan communities that goes back hundreds of years, presided over in the capital by an incompetent kleptocracy.
But climate change is aggravating the desperation.
 

PrincessLeppard

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I forgot him. There are so many. Post trump I believe it’s possible everything goes back to normal for republicans pretty quickly! Bush family retakes control or Kasich is nominee or Sasse. The Republican Party really hasn’t changed at all. They blocked all of trumps main wishes in 2017 and 2018

Sasse is not coming to save us. As I've stated before, he talks like a Never Trumper (sometimes), but votes 100% of the time with Trump, including problematic court appointees.
 

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Just saw this article on my MSN homepage:

The Democrats claimed that the White House tried to prevent Kris Kobach from discussing the investigation into the citizenship question in the 2020 census.

House Democrats Claim White House Tried To Block Kobach Interview

The committee released a memo on the previously undisclosed interview, which occurred on Monday. Democrats on the committee claim that the White House "interfered directly and aggressively" in the interview by instructing Kobach not to answer any questions about his communications with President Trump and White House advisers on "the real reasons they added the citizenship question."

Democrats believe that adding a question about citizenship to the census could lead to undercounting in big cities and other typically Democratic-leaning areas where immigrants reside, which could affect the congressional apportionment for primarily Democratic states.
 

caseyedwards

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Sasse is not coming to save us. As I've stated before, he talks like a Never Trumper (sometimes), but votes 100% of the time with Trump, including problematic court appointees.
Two kinds of never trumpers! Ones who said no one submitted by trump should ever be confirmed no Matter what and ones who said John Smith or whoever should be judged by who they are. Most never trumpers In the media said reject all trump nominees and reject all trump proposals even if they were originally yours to try to get trump to resign! Elected never trumpers like Flake and Sasse and others said they will judge bills and nominees as they are.
 

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One of Trump's judicial nominees is facing rare resistance from Republicans. (But he has the backing of his home-state Democrats.)
I find it interesting how the Republican define a process as broken when what they really mean is they are not getting their own way.
 

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So this article explains some of the reason why many women are migrating from central America to the U.S.--widespread, state- and church-sponsored misogyny, particularly in Honduras:

"I Can No Longer Continue to Live Here"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/07/domestic-violence-immigration-asylum-caravan-honduras-central-america-227086

This article is important IMO because it shows what happens when women lose control of their bodies and reproductive rights. Far from helping society, it encourages systemic breakdown.
A harrowing and heart-breaking account. These women and children are not getting the response and attention they deserve when they cross into the US. Meanwhile, there was news awhile back about Trump tracking the menstrual cycles of women in detention camps - I don't remember the details, exactly, but it was something along those lines.

:(
 

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The administration denied the requests from US embassies to fly the rainbow pride flag on embassy flagpoles


The arms deal that Trump approved via emergency gives Saudi Arabia access to sensitive weapons technology. They're all playing him like a fiddle, aren't they?
 

caseyedwards

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So this article explains some of the reason why many women are migrating from central America to the U.S.--widespread, state- and church-sponsored misogyny, particularly in Honduras:

"I Can No Longer Continue to Live Here"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/07/domestic-violence-immigration-asylum-caravan-honduras-central-america-227086

This article is important IMO because it shows what happens when women lose control of their bodies and reproductive rights. Far from helping society, it encourages systemic breakdown.
This is why i have asked is there any patriotism or pride in Honduras El Salvador Guatemala?!? At this point they all know their policies combined with us law is making huge numbers leave?!? Why don’t they change all their laws and culture to try to get people to stay?!? But then I read of immigrants in America sending money back and building homes and other stuff with what they make in America in their home countries. So the policies of letting gangs and social conservatives rule actually helps in some ways! So their is no shame in having millions demand asylum in America-it’s all part of the economic system
 

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I find it interesting how the Republican define a process as broken when what they really mean is they are not getting their own way.
Just like they suddenly start to care about rules when they fear something could make them look bad or it might suit their needs.


Doug Collins sent a letter to Nadler reminding him of House rules ahead of Monday's John Dean hearing. (There also is a The Hill article for anyone who likes a more conservative source but I'm too lazy to open another browser to get to it and the link includes the letter)

Interestingly, CNN reported yesterday that one of Nadler's arguments for impeachment was that it would make it easier to discuss Trump's (alleged) offense on the House floor and in committees.

For some reason, this article made me afraid that the Democrats' investigation will just taper out (and Trump will crow that they didn't find anything) if they don't start an impeachment inquiry because everything is blocked and there is nothing to investigate.
 

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Here we have story upon story of actual real suffering, of girls as young as 8 being raped, 10 year olds who are pregnant, 19 year olds who have lost two children because of poverty, yet so many do not understand or refuse to understand and show compassion. There was an interview with an auto worker the other day, someone who might have been hurt by the tariffs, and he (yes, white male) still supported Trump and saw what Trump was doing as fighting for “America.” I would have loved the interviewer to tell that self centered man some of these stories, explain to him that these are desperate people literally fighting for their lives and the lives of their children, and see what he would have said. But, it would probably have been like so many in the comments sections of these articles who only concern is they don’t want “those people” with their problems coming to “my country.”

This is where the American Dream is such a sham and an instrument of torture. No one, and mean no one, is “self made.” We are all a product of our environment and those who have go before us. Most of America’s wealth has be built on the back of the non wealthy. Whether is was slaves brought from Africa, undocumented immigrants picking your fruit or cleaning your golf resorts, or sweat shops in third world countries producing your products. It was built because they had access to education, clean drinking water, a roof over their head, and heat in the winter. None of those rich people in Washington got there on their own.

For Republican to now say that the country is full and those who are fleeing unspeakable horrors should stay away is repugnant at best.
 

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Danger of a Trump Presidency No. 81,298: The Death of Fashion Diplomacy
What really got people worked up in regards to the Trumps’ wardrobe was the president’s white-tie faux pas: a too-long vest under his tailcoat at the state dinner. Why that sort of excess should have been a surprise is unclear. As his penchant for oversize ties and suits (and crowds) shows, the president clearly believes in exaggeration of all kinds. And given his absolute surety that his way is the right way and the current let-Trump-be-Trump attitude of his White House, who would tell him otherwise? Not the secretary of treasury (and appropriately vested) Steven Mnuchin.
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In their own specific way, the Trumps actually are doing what their forbearers did: using their clothing to reflect their approach to governance. It’s just that their approach seems to rely on the startling, the eye-catching and the politically incorrect. In dress, it is increasingly apparent, as it is on Twitter.
:blah:
 

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Sasse is not coming to save us. As I've stated before, he talks like a Never Trumper (sometimes), but votes 100% of the time with Trump, including problematic court appointees.
Yeah, Sasse is not going to save the GOP from itself. He is part of the problem not the solution. He is so swarmy.
 

caseyedwards

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Yeah, Sasse is not going to save the GOP from itself. He is part of the problem not the solution. He is so swarmy.
It’s good that he opposes trump and didn’t vote for him! He didn’t become liberal a liberal. That’s too much for an elected person. Rubin Wwill Schmidt Wallace have become liberals.
 

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The WH blocked a State Department intelligence officer from providing the House Intel Committee with a written testimony that talked about the dangers of climate change because it didn't correspond with their denial of (man-made) climate change.


Pompeo dismissed the effects of climate change and suggested society would adapt and people could just move. He also cited the Netherlands as an example of being able to live below sea level.
 

caseyedwards

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On Tuesday afternoon, an agent patrolling along the Rio Grande in Brownsville, Texas, was temporarily detoured after he encountered a small swarm of bees that entered his patrol unit. After clearing his unit, the agent returned to the area to locate the origin of the bees and located a jacket and a bundle covered in thousands of bees. Upon closer investigation, the agent realized the bundle was a person curled up in the fetal position. The agent quickly yelled at the person to stand up and run into his unit. As the person stood up, the agent noticed the person was covering a small child. Once inside the unit, the agent quickly evaluated the two and requested an ambulance for immediate transport to the local hospital. The agent identified the pair as a mother and her 8 year-old son from Guatemala. As the agent waited for the ambulance, the child began to vomit, prompting the agent to transport the pair to the hospital directly.

 

Japanfan

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Here we have story upon story of actual real suffering, of girls as young as 8 being raped, 10 year olds who are pregnant, 19 year olds who have lost two children because of poverty, yet so many do not understand or refuse to understand and show compassion. There was an interview with an auto worker the other day, someone who might have been hurt by the tariffs, and he (yes, white male) still supported Trump and saw what Trump was doing as fighting for “America.” I would have loved the interviewer to tell that self centered man some of these stories, explain to him that these are desperate people literally fighting for their lives and the lives of their children, and see what he would have said. But, it would probably have been like so many in the comments sections of these articles who only concern is they don’t want “those people” with their problems coming to “my country.”
And many of these people are probably among those who don't believe women should have bodily autonomy and control over their reproduction - but could care less for life once it is born.
 

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