Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

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Trump Administration to LGBT Couples: Your ‘Out of Wedlock’ Kids Aren’t Citizens
Children of U.S. citizens are falling victim to a policy that de-recognizes their parents’ marriage—and strips them of their birthright citizenship.

Scott Bixby
05.15.19 5:12 AM ET
For years, President Donald Trump has called for the elimination of birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants who are born on American soil. Those children, slurred as “anchor babies,” are accused of being birthed with the sole purpose of tethering their non-citizen parents to the United States. The Trump administration’s promised executive orders ending this “loophole” have not materialized, but the president’s war on birthright citizenship has many fronts—and one little-noticed State Department policy has now resulted in a reverse version of Trump’s “anchor baby” scenario, where the children of U.S. citizens born abroad are effectively being stopped at the border.

Last summer, the State Department issued new rules unilaterally changing the department’s interpretation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), a 1952 law that, along with the 14th Amendment, codifies eligibility for U.S. birthright citizenship.

“The U.S. Department of State interprets the INA to mean that a child born abroad must be biologically related to a U.S. citizen parent,” the State Department’s website says. “Even if local law recognizes a surrogacy agreement and finds that U.S. parents are the legal parents of a child conceived and born abroad… if the child does not have a biological connection to a U.S. citizen parent, the child will not be a U.S. citizen at birth.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/state-department-to-lgbt-married-couples-your-out-of-wedlock-kids-arent-citizens?via=twitter_page
 

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Between this and what has just happened in Alabama there should be riots in Washington. I was just watching Chris Cuomo on CNN and he had Rick Santorum on. That man is a despicable human being. All these smug white men claiming they are concerned about babies being “killed by abortion, yet somehow separating babies who are born from their mothers and putting them in cages is okay. Somehow allowing rich corporation who pay their CEO 31 MILLION dollars a year pay single mothers such a low wage that they are short $500 or $600 a month just paying for the very basic of basic necessities is okay. Somehow putting families into bankruptcy because they can’t pay for medical care for their child is okay. And finally, SOMEHOW FORCING A WOMAN TO HAVE A BABY AND SENDING THAT WOMAN BACK TO WORK FULL TIME AFTER ONLY A WEEK OR TWO OFF, is okay.

I really wish instead of being calm and professional, the anchors and other commentators would challenge a$$holes like Santorum. Ask him point blank if he will support a full year of fully paid maternity leave, full free medical coverage for every child until they are 19, and full free medical coverage for every woman who has a baby. Because if his answer is “no” to any one of those things he doesn’t give a crap about babies he just wants to control women and force the man made rules of his sky fairy on everyone else.
 

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Okay, I have had another thought. Every single person who votes for any kind of restriction on abortion should be required to register their blood and bone marrow. Should anyone need blood, bone marrow, or a kidney (you can live with one so everyone has a spare one) they should be required by law to donate. Absolutely no exceptions! If woman are not allowed to have the bodily autonomy we grant dead people, then legislators should not have it either. After all, a life is a life no matter how difficult the circumstances.
 

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Women should support other women/girls in their decision to terminate pregnancies. They are never going to stop women from terminating pregnancies. It has always happened and it will always happen. I honestly believe that many of these laws are patriarchal in nature; a means to punish and control women's reproduction and some who make the laws have a racist agenda behind it.
Any law that takes away women's right to control their reproduction is patriarchal in nature. To take that right away is to deny women agency and autonomy. And having a child completely (but relatively, depending on circumstances) limits a woman's choices in life - which is fine if a woman wants a child and accepts the limitations, not fine if a woman does not.

I have already seen articles and items about contraceptives being targeted through planned parenthood and not being funded through insurance. Again it is about f*cking men (I cannot think of any other way of describing these a*seholes) trying to control women's health.
Also control women's bodies and women's lives.

Ironically, a lot of women get abortions because the man involved doesn't want anything to do with her once she's pregnant and anything to do with the child, once born. As a result, having a child is untenable for them.

IMO the view of ancient or traditional view of women as carnal beings, sinners and temptresses continues to underlie attempts to prevent women from controlling their own reproduction. Kind of like a woman deserves the punishment of being pregnant and having a child, should she have sex. Men don't need to be held responsible, because they just can't help but be tempted by a woman.

Convenient viewpoint, isn't it?

In the long-ago past, when women were healers, they knew all of the naturally-occurring plants that would induce a woman's body to release a fetus. Then male science came along, and that wisdom was lost.:(

And insurance should absolutely cover contraception IMO. Children entail a cost to society at large, and unwanted children entail an even larger cost. When women's lives get better, and children's lives get better, societies at large get better.
 

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Interesting, I believe the majority of women who have abortions already have children. The whole talking point about women who get abortions are not maternal, don’t want children, etc, etc is not based in fact. Women are getting the abortions, at least in the US, because they can’t raise another child. If the men really wanted to reduce abortions, there is plenty they could do. Furthermore, if they really want to make a law that will cut eliminate abortion, they need to legislate the cause: that is men. Men have 100% control (I guess except in the case of a fetus that will not be viable.) Simply legislate that men are not allowed to have sex except for procreation. Problem solved. Men who have sex and create an unwanted pregnancy face a major fine (paid to the mother) and 10 years in jail.
 

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The whole talking point about women who get abortions are not maternal, don’t want children, etc, etc is not based in fact.
That's just demonizing women.

Ditto the view that women who have had a abortion suffer tremendous emotional/psychological pain.

Ditto the view that having an abortion is a mistake that women only make once.

Furthermore, if they really want to make a law that will cut eliminate abortion, they need to legislate the cause: that is men. Men have 100% control (I guess except in the case of a fetus that will not be viable.) Simply legislate that men are not allowed to have sex except for procreation. Problem solved. Men who have sex and create an unwanted pregnancy face a major fine (paid to the mother) and 10 years in jail.
:D But as you said - problem solved.
 

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I irrationally wish that every one of those lawmakers in Alabama could be forced to assume full custody of one of the children they compel to be born. Let’s see them prove their commitment to the children. LOL.

I am convinced that for many rightist politicians, anti-abortionism is just a form of virtue signaling. It’s a quick shorthand way of showing their supporters that they care and are on the “right side.” The more draconian the law, the more they show their “commitment.” And it's an easy win, because for the most part anti-abortion laws don’t require much new revenue or taxes. They don’t have to make any tough decisions about raising taxes. As soon as they have to do anything involving more taxes or more govt spending, to actually support living children or their parents, their commitment to the “babies” quickly fades. LOL. It’s like if they’ve compelled the children to be born, that’s it, they’ve done their job and now the kids become someone else’s problem. What an effing joke it all is.
 
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Misc - Any man who gets a woman pregnant should be held responsible for her pre-natal care and the care and support of the baby she is forced to have for 18 years, plus college if they wish to go. Or go to prison. Are vasectomies covered under insurance, or just Viagra?

And -
"Alabama has the highest per capita death penalty rate in the country. In some years, its courts impose more death sentences than Texas, a state that has a population five times as large."
 

Aussie Willy

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Yep I think if you support the death penalty, oppose gun laws and have no problem with your country invading others, you then do not have the right to lecture women about reproductive issues.
 

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Any man who gets a woman pregnant should be held responsible for her pre-natal care
Well, those proposing these laws are arguing that the fetus is a person, with all the associated rights. I would think then that the woman's right to child support would start at conception (or, perhaps, at detection of a heartbeat). Assuming Alabama actually has laws enforcing child support, which can't be guaranteed given the state's backward policies on these sorts of issues.
 

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Abortion bans don't work and just show the Pro-Live Movement (tm) is not serious about stopping Abortions or being Pro-Life. If they were, they'd use policies that work, and make abortions (to quote Billy Clinton) "Safe, legal and RARE."

But here we are, headed towards the Handmaid's Tale.

If you're part of the big pro-life movement these days, you're a hypocrite and fascist.
 

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I'm just disgusted and heartbroken by this news. Georgia, Ohio and this now ... Handmaid's Tale should just be a fiction and yet here we are, not only in the US but other countries as well like Poland. The hypocrisy of it all is just too much to bare especially considering the appalling statistics coming out of Alabama concerning the welfare of their youth and mothers.
 

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Yep I think if you support the death penalty, oppose gun laws and have no problem with your country invading others, you then do not have the right to lecture women about reproductive issues.
Yes, let's see here. When I was around 33 years old, a man with a ski mask broke into my home through my bedroom window. It was a Friday night, and I was on the phone with my sister-in-law when it happened. There was an entertainment center in front of the window that the man broke into.

He was pretty slick. He managed to remove the screen and remove the stripping around the bottom pane without me hearing it at all. I then heard a loud thump in my bedroom while I was in my living room. He didn't realize there was a huge entertainment center made of oak in front of my bedroom window.

It scared me to death, and I started yelling that someone was trying to break in through the window in my bedroom. I had a 38 special during that time locked up in a gun case. I unlocked the gun case, grabbed the pistol and headed toward my bedroom while I was still on the phone with my sister-in-law. She was screaming and telling me to call 911. I told her to hang up so I could!

By the time I made it to my bedroom, the man had already backed out of the window, and the curtain was still moving. I shot at the curtain anyway because I wanted the man to know I had a gun. The police were at home checking out what had happened. They found the window pane and the screen leaning to the side of the brick wall of my home and they found a ski mask on the ground. It somehow got off the man's face when he tried to break in.

30 minutes later, the man tried the same thing at another woman's house. She was in her bedroom, heard him breaking through her window, and stuck a gun to his head when he came through the window. She told him that she was going to blow his brains out if he moved.

When they took the man to jail, the police detective found a piece of paper in the man's pocket that had a list of seven women that he planned on raping first and then killing them. All the women on the list were brunettes that were attractive. I was the first on the list, and he had been stalking us. The man said he was mad at me because I messed his plans up by screaming and having the gun. This man is still in prison because he said if he ever got out that he would come after me and kill me. He said he would continue with his plan and kill all the women.

Now here's my opinion of this situation of rape. If this man would have raped me and the other 6 women, it would have been without our consent. This man would have invaded us with his unwanted sperm in our bodies and none of us were planning on becoming pregnant. This man would have violated our rights, and I would have definitely wanted an abortion because he did not have the right to penetrate us with his sperm.

If there was this law that states I couldn't have an abortion after this man forced himself on me without my consent, then I would have wanted the man castrated so he couldn't do it to any other woman.

If this becomes mandatory, it's not right. Therefore, it should become mandatory that any man convicted of rape should be castrated for violating the woman against her will. The price for a convicted rapist like the stalker that tried to break in on me and 6 other women should be castration period. If he would have managed to rape all of us and then kill us, then he should have been castrated first and then given the death penalty.

I got rid of my gun after that because I had young nieces and nephews that came to my house a lot during that time. I didn't want anything happening to them plus I have my home like Fort Knox now. I have iron bars on all my windows, deadbolts on the doors, and a bar that goes across the bottom of each of my doors. I also have a security system. I shouldn't have had to do all of that, but I had to because of a crazed stalker that wanted to rape and then kill the women.
 

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I'll say this, the illusions that some Americans held regarding the anti-choice movement were based on lies. One of the good things coming from the the anti choice evangelical movement, there true colors have finally been exposed. Their agenda for what they want to accomplish in regards to controlling women's lives has been laid bare for the WORLD to see.

Many from this movement believe all contraception is abortion. They're agenda intersects all the following - racism, bigotry, sexism and classism.
 

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This was all chopped up, so I just copied the parts over...........

"In Alabama, a state that just passed a total ban on abortion, more than a quarter of children live in poverty; 30 percent of those children are under the age of five.

Only half of Alabama’s 67 counties have an obstetrician.

Infant care for a single child in Alabama takes up an average of 11 percent of a family’s income. According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, child care costs are unaffordable when they exceed 7 percent of a family’s income.

Single mothers in Alabama spend 29 percent of their income on childcare costs.

Child care costs for families with two children—an infant and a four year old—cost 28 percent more than the average rent in the state.

About 88 percent of Alabama’s rural hospitals are operating “in the red.”

Alabama has the second highest infant mortality rate in the country.

Alabama rejected the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act, despite support for the expansion from the Alabama Hospital Association.

More children are living in poverty in Alabama now than they were almost 20 years ago, and the state has the fifth highest child poverty rate in the country.

Alabama’s child food insecurity rate is 22.5 percent. The national average is 17.5 percent.

There are no maternity leave or family leave laws in the state of Alabama.

Alabama is the sixth poorest state in the country, its most impoverished regions are predominantly black."


Yes, make women have babies. :mad: And depending on where you look, they are either 49th or 50th in education.
 

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I'll say this, the illusions that some Americans held regarding the anti-choice movement were based on lies. One of the good things coming from the the anti choice evangelical movement, there true colors have finally been exposed. Their agenda for what they want to accomplish in regards to controlling women's lives has been laid bare for the WORLD to see.

Many from this movement believe all contraception is abortion. They're agenda intersects all the following - racism, bigotry, sexism and classism. .
 

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Our experience in Ireland with the anti-abortion Christian Right is that they are only pro-foetus and care very little for actual born children. So horrific to see the US slip the other way on this. These laws are going to lead to many unnecessary maternal deaths. :(
 

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George Carlin - 1996 (he died in 2008)
"Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're f***ked. Conservatives don't give a sh*t about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state."
 

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The problem is women are not unified! Why are some women pro life like Ivey? It’s just to please men? Why should that be? They need to stop. Ivey has decided to be successful as a republican more than be a real woman. Too many women are playing games and politics. They need to unite to end all regulations of abortions
 

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George Carlin - 1996 (he died in 2008)
"Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're f***ked. Conservatives don't give a sh*t about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state."
George often spoke truths we didn't wish to confront or acknowledge; as here.
 

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Our experience in Ireland with the anti-abortion Christian Right is that they are only pro-foetus and care very little for actual born children. So horrific to see the US slip the other way on this. These laws are going to lead to many unnecessary maternal deaths. :(
Love the foetus, hate the child.
 

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The problem is women are not unified! Why are some women pro life like Ivey? It’s just to please men? Why should that be? They need to stop. Ivey has decided to be successful as a republican more than be a real woman. Too many women are playing games and politics. They need to unite to end all regulations of abortions
No, the problem is not women. The problem is men, and before someone says “not all men,” yes, all men. Men make the decisions, they make the rules, they have shaped the world based on their own experience and they do not and cannot take a woman’s experience into account because they have not had a woman’s experience. Until we have 51% of the positions of power in government and business filled by women we will have a world shaped by men for men. Furthermore until we actually start to collect data about women and the use that data to make sure the world is a place where women can thrive, we will never get even close to that 51%.

Again, for those at the back of the room. The problem is not women. The problem is men.
 

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The problem is women are not unified! Why are some women pro life like Ivey? It’s just to please men? Why should that be? They need to stop. Ivey has decided to be successful as a republican more than be a real woman. Too many women are playing games and politics. They need to unite to end all regulations of abortions
This is disgusting. What an appalling attitude to blame the victims and say they should take responsibility for what happens to them. If you truly think this then you are an appalling individual.

But this is at the heart of the #Metoo movement as well.
 

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Our experience in Ireland with the anti-abortion Christian Right is that they are only pro-foetus and care very little for actual born children. So horrific to see the US slip the other way on this. These laws are going to lead to many unnecessary maternal deaths. :(
Some statistics to back up your assertion:

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Infant mortality rates around the world:
—Australia: 3.5
—EU: 3.6
—Canada: 4.3
—Cuba: 4.8
—USA: 5.8
—Missouri: 6.2
—Georgia: 7.3
—Alabama: 7.4
—Russia: 7.4
—Mississippi: 8.8
 

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I don't know where he digs them up, but Trump's potential nominee for ICE director said in a FOX "News" interview that he can tell if a migrant child will become a gang member by looking into their eyes. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/mark-morgan-eyes-ice-director-1449570
This is extremely scary. These are the people who we have in charge. When you were a child or growing up, you really wondered when that moment where a switch turns on and you become an adult capable of competency and higher critical thinking abilities. When you become one and observe everyone who is in charge of things, you realize that switch doesn't exist.
 
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