Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

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He clearly lied about his father’s birthplace. Why? Lawrence thinks he got confused between his father and grandfather.

Time for the 25th amendment? The republicans will never do it even if Trump is diagnosed with dementia.
They showed several clips on CNN this morning of trump saying his father was born in Germany over the years, so it's not like he just meant to say grandfather yesterday. He finds a lie he likes and sticks to it and his followers don't care.

“I hope they now go and take a look at the oranges, the oranges of the investigation,” Trump told reporters. “The beginnings of that investigation…where it started, who started it…the Mueller report I wish covered the oranges of how it started. The beginnings of the investigation.”
Beyond the "oranges" thing, just look at the usual word salad there. He is never anywhere close to coherent. It gets scarier every day.
 

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Jennifer Rubin raises the alarm: Trump is unraveling before our eyes. He isn’t fit for reelection.

Now granted she's virulently anti-Trump but she cites some of the instances of his incoherence as well as his bizarre declarations on policy such as with claiming the Republicans would become the party of health care after Trump admin joined the suit to overturn Obamacare even though there were no Republican plans at all, the threat to close the border which quite simply makes no sense at all, etc.

I don't really listen day to day to Trump but I hope Republicans are alive enough to realize if Trump is getting to a point where he can't function. It would be very dangerous if that were the case.

The Post quotes him at a Republican event on Tuesday: “We’re going into the war with some socialist. It looks like the only non, sort of, heavy socialist is being taken care of pretty well by the socialists, they got to him, our former vice president. I was going to call him, I don’t know him well, I was going to say ‘Welcome to the world Joe, you having a good time?'” Even when attempting to defend himself, he emits spurts of disconnected thoughts. “Now you look at that [presidential announcement] speech and you see what’s happening and that speech was so tame compared to what is happening now, that trek up is one of the great treacherous treks anywhere, and Mexico has now, because they don’t want the border closed.”

Maybe he is just tired. I would be if I were him. But if he is there's no way he can run for a second term and we have to just hope he can get through this one without making some huge mistake.
 

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I don't think he was too "raveled" to begin with but:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/fact...wind-power-with-new-baseless-claim/ar-BBVz3hB
" “Hillary wanted to put up wind. Wind,” he told the crowd. “If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value.” He then introduced his newest argument, telling the audience, “And they say the noise causes cancer,” before mimicking the sound of a turbine as the crowd laughed and applauded. "
 

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Just another example of Trumps racism

Autopsy of migrant child points to 'subhuman' U.S. border conditions, says lawmaker

We heard from President Trump on Friday, who said that Jakelin died because her father didn't give her water for a long time.
That is a flat-out scapegoating political lie — trying to point the finger at somebody else and not taking responsibility as the leader of our country, and the head administrator of the CBP to play the partisan game. And it is sickening, it is unconscionable, it is void of any ethos or morality.

And he should own up, be the president of the United States, take responsibility and come up with some solutions instead of playing the blame game. There's nowhere in any leadership course, or any discussions, or any book that you read where leadership is about blaming the most vulnerable for mistakes that occur.
 

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Greg Sargent explains that Trump's threat to close the border is just another version of the threats he's been making to try to get Democrats to build his wall:

White House aides are frantically scrambling to figure out how to dissuade Trump from closing down the border entirely, telling him that this would do immense economic damage to the country.

But there is zero evidence that this prospect troubles Trump. He blithely concedes that closure will “have a negative impact on the economy,” but he might press ahead anyway, because security is “more important than trade.” Trump obviously views this threat as a feature, as leverage to force Democrats to give him the legal changes he wants. As Trump put it: “If we don’t make a deal with Congress, the border is going to be closed.”

This will now be the third time Trump used such threats (after the government shutdown and national emergency) to try to force Democratic capitulation.

So closing the border in his mind isn't a way to address the border situation, its a way to force Democrats to do his bidding. The same as he really believes that cutting off aid to the Central American countries will force them to do what he wants as if they are just allowing violence and societal breakdown in their countries for no particular reason and need to be threatened into acting.

IMO, this stuff isn't a sign of his unraveling (unlike his incoherent speech); its just a sign of how limited his thinking is on how to try to solve problems. Way too limited for someone who is president of the United States.

Fresh signs of Trump’s unfitness have emerged. How can Democrats deal with this?
 

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Just saw this on my homepage. If it's already been posted about, my apologies.

House Democrats authorize subpoenas for Mueller report

Twenty-four committee Democrats voted to authorize the subpoenas for the full Mueller report and release of the underlying evidence to Congress, and 17 Republicans voted no.

Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., hasn't said when he might subpoena the Justice Department after the committee vote to give him the authority, but he has said he plans to work with Attorney General William Barr to "minimize redactions" to the Mueller report.

The top Democrat on the committee said Congress needs the full report "because it is our job, not the attorney general's, to determine whether or not President Trump has abused his office."
 

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Just saw this on my homepage. If it's already been posted about, my apologies.

House Democrats authorize subpoenas for Mueller report

It sounds like Nadler is trying to negotiate with Barr to minimize the redactions. Why not demand the unredacted report for the Congress and only minimum redactions for the public? Does he really think Barr will not use lame excuses to redact whatever may hurt Trump?
 

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I don't think he was too "raveled" to begin with but:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/fact...wind-power-with-new-baseless-claim/ar-BBVz3hB
" “Hillary wanted to put up wind. Wind,” he told the crowd. “If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value.” He then introduced his newest argument, telling the audience, “And they say the noise causes cancer,” before mimicking the sound of a turbine as the crowd laughed and applauded. "


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. :wall:
 

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The administration will cut the number of federal hog plant inspectors by about 40% and replace them with plant employees. And, apparently, the genius idea of putting food safety into the hands of the industry originated under Obama?! https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...5149e5a2fda_story.html?utm_term=.77c77f952467


The consumer product safety commission tried to get a voluntary recall for a popular three-wheel stroller. The company refused and then Republicans gained the majority and killed the court fight for the recall. The number of companies fined and of recalls have also dropped ever since the Republican chairwoman took over. Republicans indifference to other people's well-being is mind-blowing. (As is that of the stroller company). https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...61983b7e0cd_story.html?utm_term=.5ab68af15340


Commerce Sec Ross has decided that appearing before the House Appropriations committee for a budget hearing is not important enough for him to do. https://twitter.com/AppropsDems/status/1113412001965981696
 

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Some funny comments under meme that says:

"If trump gets dementia, how will we know - Lawrence O’Donnell" (it really was a tweet by Lawrence - I checked!)

……. He'll forget his wife and start walking to Air Force One without her. Oh, wait. Already did that. He'll call "origins" oranges. Oh, wait. Already did that. He will slur and mispronounce his words. Oh, wait. Already did that. He'll use both hands to hold a glass and a water bottle. Oh, wait. Already did that. I guess you have a point.

………he will board AF1 with a piece of toilet paper stuck to his shoe, he won’t be able to close an umbrella, he’ll lose the QUEEN , he’ll forget where his dad was born

.......“If” and “gets” is suggesting that he doesn’t already have it...which clearly he does...

.......He will start telling the truth by mistake!

.......Well, we can watch for a few signs. Like getting words wrong, having trouble pronouncing words, forgetting his father's birthplace, behaving irrationally, displaying fits of anger. Oops
 

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I know that this is PI, but my mother had Alzheimer's Disease, and I do not find this material funny.

I'm sorry, Vagabond :(

I don't know if Lawrence O'Donnell's comments were meant to ridicule Trump or make us aware that the signs are in plain sight. I'm hoping it was the latter and I think using his words to make fun of Trump is not only misguided but misses the seriousness of the issue and the illness.
 

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I know that this is PI, but my mother had Alzheimer's Disease, and I do not find this material funny.
I’m also sorry that talk of Alheimer's is upsetting to you. I guess we should all feel sorry for trump and get him out of the white house and get him the help that he needs before it is too late for all of us.

You have already suggested today that one or another of Trump's daughters should have been aborted. Perhaps it's time for you to find something to do offline. :saint:

Trump is said to have raped his second wife while married to her. There are several assault allegations against him. He reportedly went into the dressing-room at a teenage beauty peagant.
Correction: it was his first wife, Ivana
The moron "sniffs" all the time when he's talking.
Didn't he also want her to have an abortion when she got pregnant? In hindsight, that would have been a good idea.
Sorry, I have to take that back. It's when Marla Maples was pregnant with Tiffany.
(that he wanted one of his wives to have an abortion)...........
/\ I was responding to myself. After Sparks corrected with "his first wife", I looked up which wife he wanted to have an abortion; it was the second one. And I took it back when I saw which wife - Tiffany's mother. Again, "Too many wives, too many affairs" and ......
I have no animus for Tiffany Trump. She's the only decent one. Too many wives, too many affairs, I got confused.
 

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Some funny comments under meme that says:

"If trump gets dementia, how will we know - Lawrence O’Donnell" (it really was a tweet by Lawrence - I checked!)

……. He'll forget his wife and start walking to Air Force One without her. Oh, wait. Already did that. He'll call "origins" oranges. Oh, wait. Already did that. He will slur and mispronounce his words. Oh, wait. Already did that. He'll use both hands to hold a glass and a water bottle. Oh, wait. Already did that. I guess you have a point.

………he will board AF1 with a piece of toilet paper stuck to his shoe, he won’t be able to close an umbrella, he’ll lose the QUEEN , he’ll forget where his dad was born

.......“If” and “gets” is suggesting that he doesn’t already have it...which clearly he does...

.......He will start telling the truth by mistake!

.......Well, we can watch for a few signs. Like getting words wrong, having trouble pronouncing words, forgetting his father's birthplace, behaving irrationally, displaying fits of anger. Oops
I know that this is PI, but my mother had Alzheimer's Disease, and I do not find this material funny.

You have already suggested today that one or another of Trump's daughters should have been aborted. Perhaps it's time for you to find something to do offline. :saint:
I'm sorry, Vagabond :(

I don't know if Lawrence O'Donnell's comments were meant to ridicule Trump or make us aware that the signs are in plain sight. I'm hoping it was the latter and I think using his words to make fun of Trump is not only misguided but misses the seriousness of the issue and the illness.
Like @Vagabond said, my mother died of Alzhiemers and I don't find the attempt at humor funny at all. I can only hope that a) ignorance on the illness and b) you/he never have to endure the watching of a loved family member as they progress through the horrible stages of Alzhiemers.
My personal opinion is that Trump is entitled rich man who has never faced consequences of decisions/actions.
Alzhiemers is a serious disease
 

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I’m also sorry that talk of Alheimer's is upsetting to you. I guess we should all feel sorry for trump and get him out of the white house and get him the help that he needs before it is too late for all of us.
There is a difference between saying that one is sorry for one's own actions and saying (whether in so many words or otherwise) "I am sorry you feel that way." The second is not an apology and is, in fact, a way of blaming the person who gets upset for getting upset.

I am not sorry that talk of Alzheimer's is upsetting to me. I am, however, sorry that you are so brazenly insensitive.
 

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I'm sorry, Vagabond :(

I don't know if Lawrence O'Donnell's comments were meant to ridicule Trump or make us aware that the signs are in plain sight. I'm hoping it was the latter and I think using his words to make fun of Trump is not only misguided but misses the seriousness of the issue and the illness.

I like Lawrence’s show but these jokes are in poor taste. Alzheimer’s is a dreaded disease that affects not just the patient but the whole family. When President Reagan announced that he had the disease he said he was sorry for his wife.

Although I don’t have first hand experience, I have heard of people with Alzheimer’s suffering a lot. One of my coworkers used to go home during lunch break to check on her mother. The husband of one of my friends died from this disease. I feel sorry for them and their families.

If Trump was not the president making decisions I would feel sorry for him. I am more worried about the country than Trump right now. Certainly he needs to be checked and treated by the right doctor. Pretending that he is fine is dangerous to everyone.
 
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I know that this is PI, but my mother had Alzheimer's Disease, and I do not find this material funny.

You have already suggested today that one or another of Trump's daughters should have been aborted. Perhaps it's time for you to find something to do offline. :saint:

I understand exactly where you're coming from. Before Christmas of 2018, my stepmom was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. She has her good days, and has her bad days. She was okay during Christmas, and I was so thankful for that. I believe it's in the beginning stages, and she calls me just to see how I'm doing. The hardest thing was that I had to let her know that my Uncle (my dad's brother) had passed away. She handled it pretty well.

I know she is on medication, and what I've seen so far is her going blank when she's about to say something. I've done that before myself, but I'm afraid it's becoming more often with her. It's not easy to talk about, and I pray everyday that a cure is found. I dread the day that she may wake up and not remember me or recognize her daughter (my stepsister). I truly don't know if I'll be able to handle it because I love my stepmom so much.

ITA with you. I don't find it very funny. I hope and pray that no one has to see this happen to a loved one because there's nothing you can do but be there for them even when it gets to the point that the loved one doesn't remember you. :(
 

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Oh, I understand a little better now. You don't agree with me or any of the other posters on this board. Therefore all of your opinions are correct and no one else's opinions are? Or is it that our opinions don't count because you disagree with them?
No, no, it's not that his opinions are correct. It's that they are FACTS! :rofl:
 

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Let's say they are indeed socialists. They'll only take over if a majority of voters support their policies - how likely is that to happen? And if it did happen, wouldn't it be the will of the people?

I think "socialism" is a handy label to tar and feather progressive ideas and that "socialism" is frequently used to describe social programs, when the two are not the same. I haven't heard anyone advocating for the state to take over the means of production - that's socialism. I have heard people pushing for policies that will narrow wealth and environmental inequality, but maybe I've missed something.

This. Free public school (through to university), universal healthcare, and welfare for the very poor do not equal socialism. Those are social programs. Socialism as I understand is when the state controls all the money - and we all know how badly that usually goes.

And SFAIK, every country in the developed world excepting the US has universal healthcare, which is based on the notion that health is a right and at least ameliorates inequities somewhat.

Some Americans think Canada is socialist, which I find :confused:. I'm also :confused: by the deep mistrust and/or hatred of socialism I've observed among some Americans. I understand that some Americans fear 'big government' and see it as a threat to their independence - which doesn't quite make sense to me, TBH.

Isn't having the support of government better that having to suffer great financial hardship and perhaps lose everything due to a medical condition or emergency? Doesn't it make good sense to provide new parents with some maternity and paternity leave - after all, taking proper care of infants and children benefits society at large and future generations.

I think that basic housing should also be a right, also. Homelessness is of no benefit to the individuals affected or to society at large. Add to that affordable housing for the working poor. I wish that Canada were more 'socialist' in that regard.

ETA: Article on socialism in Sweden, biased but interesting
https://www.marketwatch.com/article...EdF-Qr8j91ZMVwIbM525jyWaxxe895LBpiaBPZmrF5J40
 
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The symptoms of Dementia/neurological impairment shown by the President are precisely why he needs to be examined by independent medical experts.

Not doing so is dangerous for all of us; and not a "joking" matter.
The President's decisions affect the safety and security of the entire world.

This is unpleasant to consider.
However, I believe; prudent, given his behavior,
 
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I have a friend whose father has Alzheimer’s. He treated her like crap her whole life, but out of the five “kids” she is the one stuck taking care of him. He lives with her in a two bedroom apartment. He was in a “memory care” place but got kicked out. She has practically had to give up her real estate business because her sister can only “babysit” once in a while. I ran into them in Kroger one time last summer. He used to be this big scary Italian man, but he told me I was a “nice lady” twice.

So if trump doesn’t have something sympathetic like Alzheimer’s, what do those of you who have experience with that think is wrong with him. I’m thinking the slurred speech, forgetting what he says from one hour to the next and missed words are not caused by menopause. How about fibromyalgia? Fibro fog is not fun. The one that sticks out to me is one time at work I said something about “shoes in the garage”. Huh? But I’ve never been in charge of a whole country and the nuclear codes. Adult onset and normal pressure hydrocephalus? If I remember right, that has more to do with balance and walking and urinary problems. I don’t think it makes you a pathological liar. Or he could have been born with it but never diagnosed. Did his “doctor” do an MRI of his brain?

The “jokes” were not meant to disparage someone with Alzheimer’s. The examples were trying to diagnose trump. He’s got all the symptoms, I think George Conway got it right. I think he has always had a personality disorder (which is not putting down anyone else with a mental/physical/psychological problem). And he seems to be deteriorating by the day.
 

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It amazes me how terrified some men are of AOC.

I think people are both amazed, and terrified, of the crap she regurgitates, as taught by her Justice Democrat handlers. (They need to have her study up more on her President Roosevelt history though.............)
 
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