Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

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I would find the whole “Medicare for all is too expensive” quite hysterical if it wasn’t for all the people currently without insurance, because EVERY OTHER MAJOR COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND EVEN MANY SMALLER COUNTRIES manage to do it just fine. So the choices are 1) the people running the US are simply too stupid and such poor managers that they can’t do it, or 2) they really don’t give a damn about people not having proper medical care and/or going bankrupt because of medical expenses.

To me that is the message the Democrats needs to sell: The Republicans can are either extremely stupid and poor managers, or they don’t give a $hit. Pick one.
 

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I would find the whole “Medicare for all is too expensive” quite hysterical if it wasn’t for all the people currently without insurance, because EVERY OTHER MAJOR COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND EVEN MANY SMALLER COUNTRIES manage to do it just fine. So the choices are 1) the people running the US are simply too stupid and such poor managers that they can’t do it, or 2) they really don’t give a damn about people not having proper medical care and/or going bankrupt because of medical expenses.

To me that is the message the Democrats needs to sell: The Republicans can are either extremely stupid and poor managers, or they don’t give a $hit. Pick one.
Americans want to have low taxes. Hate them! It’s their number one priority- having low taxes! Other countries seem to love paying taxes for healthcare. So politcians have to say honest things like “I will raise your taxes! They will go up! But you don’t have to pay premiums anymore! You pay the government premium money instead of insurance company”
 

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It is the healthcare insurers and big pharma companies who are in bed with the Republicans. And for profit hospitals, clinics, free standing out patient facilities, mobile labs and radiology centers.

There is no reason for medications to cost $400- or $1000s). No reason for profit facilities. No need for the $xxxxxxx salaries for healthcare insurance CEO.

There are a lot of things to be done to lower Medicare budgets.
@once_upon - I think both republicans and some democrats are in bed with HCI, Big Pharma. The healthcare lobby has its hooks in both parties. Corey Booker has long standing ties with Big Pharma.

There is a reason Pharma and the HC Lobby are fighting tooth and nail against medicare of all or a single payer system.
 

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I would find the whole “Medicare for all is too expensive” quite hysterical if it wasn’t for all the people currently without insurance, because EVERY OTHER MAJOR COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND EVEN MANY SMALLER COUNTRIES manage to do it just fine. So the choices are 1) the people running the US are simply too stupid and such poor managers that they can’t do it, or 2) they really don’t give a damn about people not having proper medical care and/or going bankrupt because of medical expenses.
I would add that it is "all about the Benjamins" (my reference to the Puffy Daddy Song). It's about money. It is literally billions of dollars at sake. The current system works for many healthcare execs, boards and pharma. companies.
 

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Not only was Paul Manafort sentenced to an additional 43 months(73 months with 30 months concurrent with the sentence imposed last week), the Manhattan DA just indicted him on 16 counts. If convicted in NY, he will never see the outside of a prison unless transferred from a federal prison to a NY one.
 

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Not only was Paul Manafort sentenced to an additional 43 months(73 months with 30 months concurrent with the sentence imposed last week), the Manhattan DA just indicted him on 16 counts. If convicted in NY, he will never see the outside of a prison unless transferred from a federal prison to a NY one.
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Not only was Paul Manafort sentenced to an additional 43 months(73 months with 30 months concurrent with the sentence imposed last week), the Manhattan DA just indicted him on 16 counts. If convicted in NY, he will never see the outside of a prison unless transferred from a federal prison to a NY one.
Glad to hear this; the additional sentence and counts to come, seem well-earned!
 

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Boeing donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration, the Acting SecDef is a former Boeing CEO, Boeing doesn't want to ground the planes, the FAA leadership is currently acting and Trump prefers acting over confirmed because acting staff can be better controlled (paraphrasing) but apparently, there have been complaints how the jet performed in flight. I so, so hope that this greed and corruption won't end in another tragedy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ccfeec87a61_story.html?utm_term=.e9af15491727

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/donald-trump-boeing-faa/index.html
 

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Americans want to have low taxes. Hate them! It’s their number one priority- having low taxes! Other countries seem to love paying taxes for healthcare. So politcians have to say honest things like “I will raise your taxes! They will go up! But you don’t have to pay premiums anymore! You pay the government premium money instead of insurance company”
Actually most if not all people would be see a reduction in their tax/premiums because the actually cost of delivering health care in less than the cost + profit margin that Americans are paying now. Remember the USA spend twice the GDP in health care that most other developed nations do.
 

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I would find the whole “Medicare for all is too expensive” quite hysterical if it wasn’t for all the people currently without insurance, because EVERY OTHER MAJOR COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND EVEN MANY SMALLER COUNTRIES manage to do it just fine. So the choices are 1) the people running the US are simply too stupid and such poor managers that they can’t do it, or 2) they really don’t give a damn about people not having proper medical care and/or going bankrupt because of medical expenses.

To me that is the message the Democrats needs to sell: The Republicans can are either extremely stupid and poor managers, or they don’t give a $hit. Pick one.
I’ve come to the conclusion that what the rest of the world thinks or does, is not a consideration in the US.
 

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I would find the whole “Medicare for all is too expensive” quite hysterical if it wasn’t for all the people currently without insurance, because EVERY OTHER MAJOR COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND EVEN MANY SMALLER COUNTRIES manage to do it just fine. So the choices are 1) the people running the US are simply too stupid and such poor managers that they can’t do it, or 2) they really don’t give a damn about people not having proper medical care and/or going bankrupt because of medical expenses.

To me that is the message the Democrats needs to sell: The Republicans can are either extremely stupid and poor managers, or they don’t give a $hit. Pick one.
Universal health care should be one of the most important goals of a sophisticated and functional society.
 

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Americans want to have low taxes. Hate them! It’s their number one priority- having low taxes! Other countries seem to love paying taxes for healthcare. So politcians have to say honest things like “I will raise your taxes! They will go up! But you don’t have to pay premiums anymore! You pay the government premium money instead of insurance company”
Everyone hates paying taxes!

However, most people appreciate not having to pay to see a doctor, and not having to become poor or go into bankruptcy because of a medical condition requiring extensive treatments and/or medications.

Dealing with a chronic condition or cancer is already stressful. If having to pay for care and treatment is a stress and a worry, then you've got one more worry in addition to the stress already caused by the condition - stress that could further compromise a person's health. Imagine having to sell your house and move into a cheap apartment while undergoing treatment for a life threatening cancer and being seriously concerned about your ability to pay for care.

Universal health care should be one of the most important goals of a sophisticated and functional society.
It is, generally speaking. SFAIK every country in the developed, western democratic world has universal health care, with the exception of the U.S.

And I think some Americans think of it as a bad thing because it is indicative of socialism.:EVILLE:

When in reality it is indicative of a progressive, responsible society in which healthcare is a basic right, not a privilege.
 

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This morning, just after midnight, McAllen agents working near Granjeno, Texas, responded to a report of a large group of suspected illegal aliens walking towards the river levee. As agents responded, they observed hundreds of people consisting of family units and unaccompanied children cross the river levee. Agents took 289 illegal aliens into custody and transported them to be processed. In all, Rio Grande Valley Sector Border Patrol arrested over 1,000 illegal aliens within the last 24 hours.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-...ts-and-unaccompanied-children-arrested-matter
 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/george-conway-urges-serious-inquiry-041419929.html

George Conway, an attorney and the husband of White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, is calling for a “serious inquiry” into President Donald Trump’s “condition of mind.”

And this might be addressed in the race for 2020 thread, but there's a yahoo headline (I didn't open the story) about trump making fun of Beto O'Rourke's hand movements (how unselfaware can one person be?). Even when I saw a clip this morning, I said stop waving your hands around like trump.
 

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Blocking trumps emergency declaration doesn’t mean anything! Why is there no one working on how to end people entering the US without visas or using the ports of entry to demand asylum! Where is the bill abolishing visas for Central Americans? Or making the whole southern border an official port of entry?
 

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This morning, just after midnight, McAllen agents working near Granjeno, Texas, responded to a report of a large group of suspected illegal aliens walking towards the river levee. As agents responded, they observed hundreds of people consisting of family units and unaccompanied children cross the river levee. Agents took 289 illegal aliens into custody and transported them to be processed. In all, Rio Grande Valley Sector Border Patrol arrested over 1,000 illegal aliens within the last 24 hours.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-...ts-and-unaccompanied-children-arrested-matter
So then, border patrol is indeed working without a wall.
 

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So then, border patrol is indeed working without a wall.
If you think a system is working where people can enter the US wherever and whenever they want as long as they are caught. But they aren’t going to be deported. They demand asylum and then are released to start their lives in America while they wait a year for their first asylum hearing.
 

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Blocking trumps emergency declaration doesn’t mean anything! Why is there no one working on how to end people entering the US without visas or using the ports of entry to demand asylum! Where is the bill abolishing visas for Central Americans? Or making the whole southern border an official port of entry?
Where should they ask for asylum if not at ports of entry? :confused: And people are working on preventing foreigners from entering the US without a visa. It's called Customs and Border Patrol.
 

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Everyone hates paying taxes!

However, most people appreciate not having to pay to see a doctor, and not having to become poor or go into bankruptcy because of a medical condition requiring extensive treatments and/or medications.
This.
I was recently very ill. I had to go to the ER, where I saw three different doctors, had a CT scan, and IV painkillers and other medication. I went home without paying a cent out of pocket.

Also worth noting - I didn't have to wait. Not in the ER, not for my CT, not for my blood work. I was in immediate need and was taken care of promptly.
 

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This.
I was recently very ill. I had to go to the ER, where I saw three different doctors, had a CT scan, and IV painkillers and other medication. I went home without paying a cent out of pocket.

Also worth noting - I didn't have to wait. Not in the ER, not for my CT, not for my blood work. I was in immediate need and was taken care of promptly.
Since I turned 50, I've had 3 eye surgeries and an emergency gall bladder operation. The longest I waited was 4 months for one of the cataract surgeries. My total out of pockets was 250 dollars to upgrade the lens for the cataract surgeries. You could decide not to get the upgraded lens and not be out of pocket. I love our health system, wait times included because I know it's there when you need it.
 

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Add me to the list. Three years ago I had radiation therapy over 6 weeks along with medications, diagnosis procedures before and after and some medications all free on Australia's public health system. Plus some of the medications and drugs are subsidised on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) so they cost me a lot less than what I would have had to pay otherwise. Yearly I probably pay about $1,200 which is a levy on my tax but it just comes out of my regular pay as you go tax so I don't see it. Still that is nothing compared to what I would have had to pay if I did it privately or we didn't have a public health system.
 

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