Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

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I wonder...if a president does get impeached and removed from office by the Senate, I wonder if that president shouldn't also lose all the privileges and entitlements one gets in post-president life.
 

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I wonder...if a president does get impeached and removed from office by the Senate, I wonder if that president shouldn't also lose all the privileges and entitlements one gets in post-president life.
I remember hearing when Nixon resigned that one reason he did that was so he wouldn't lose his government pension, etc. I may not remember that correctly though so don't quote me.
 

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I wonder...if a president does get impeached and removed from office by the Senate, I wonder if that president shouldn't also lose all the privileges and entitlements one gets in post-president life.
But also does the president just leave the White House or is he like escorted out by maybe the Capitol police if they are convicted and removed ? Someone has to make the president leave if they refuse? Maybe the new president sends army in? Maybe trump does get in the helicopter and then plane and flies back to NY?!
 

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The pension is only part of the cost. Former presidents receive lifetime secret service protection. Trump has already profited extensively off of his secret service protection because he favors visiting his own golf courses and has the audacity to charge the secret service for golf carts. They are there to protect his life and there is really no hard cost to him but the Grifter in Chief sees an opportunity to make some money off of us taxpayers.

If nothing else, when Congress changes hands I hope they will pass legislation prohibiting such gross profiteering.

In November 2017, federal purchase orders obtained and reported on by USA Today indicated the Secret Service had spent at least $144,975 on golf cart rentals alone since Trump took office.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...rumps-trip-to-scottish-golf-course/ar-BBLndEP

And when Trump stays at his own properties, he charges the secret service for the "privilege" of staying there to protect him. The man who chastised Obama for playing the occasional golf game has spent 180 days of his 560 days as President at one of his own properties, and 137 days playing golf at one of his own courses. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1025716731346530304
 

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The pension is only part of the cost. Former presidents receive lifetime secret service protection. Trump has already profited extensively off of his secret service protection because he favors visiting his own golf courses and has the audacity to charge the secret service for golf carts. They are there to protect his life and there is really no hard cost to him but the Grifter in Chief sees an opportunity to make some money off of us taxpayers.
A change in the law should not rest on the specifics of Donald Trump. I would be very cautious about getting rid of Secret Service protection for the spouse and minor children of a former President who was removed from office.

Besides, Trump, if removed from office, might wind up getting all the Federal protection he needs in a peniteniary somewhere. ;)
 

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Trump attacked Maxine Waters during his rally in Ohio today. He attacked her looks and intelligence. This a day after attacking journalist Don Lemon and NBA superstar LeBron James for their intelligence. Anyone else see a pattern here?!

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-rally-ohio-highlights-quotes-2018-8
Trump also took aim at another favorite target, Rep. Maxine Waters of Florida, disparaging her looks and calling her "a seriously low-IQ person."
Well, my goodness. He certainly is Covfefe regarding low IQ's. He's hugely and bigly the expert because of his own experience with low IQ's, I'm sure. o_O :inavoid:
 

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A change in the law should not rest on the specifics of Donald Trump. I would be very cautious about getting rid of Secret Service protection for the spouse and minor children of a former President who was removed from office.
I am not proposing that he not have Secret Service protection, but rather that if it is required at his own properties that he not be able to charge the U.S. government for lodging and access to other necessary items while on his property. He should not be profiting as he currently is off of a service being provided by the government. That is my objection.
 

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I am not proposing that he not have Secret Service protection, but rather that if it is required at his own properties that he not be able to charge the U.S. government for lodging and access to other necessary items while on his property. He should not be profiting as he currently is off of a service being provided by the government. That is my objection.
This! There need to be restrictions of some sort. I also think that things like his Mar-a-Lago trips need to be restricted for the President as they cost tax payers insane amounts of money. They are not necessary and there are cheaper options if the President chooses to spend the weekend out of town.

ETA: Or they could introduce a spending limit. Until a certain amount the costs are covered (I imagine a trip to Martha's Vineyard, for example, is a lot cheaper than the Mar-a-Lago trips since other Presidents have gone there before) and if the President still wishes to go to a more expensive location, he has to pay for the difference himself.
 
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There would be nothing wrong with a constitutional amendment forbidding the president from staying at any commerical property they also own. That’s a huge problem! Reagan and Bush 2 stayed at ranches they owned and Bush 1 went to Maine. But Trump goes to commercial properties he owns so when he goes there he makes money when people pay to go where Trump is! A constitutional amendment must be passed that says any commercial property be sold for what it was bought for or what a comparable building would be sold for. Maybe it could there be a eminent domain situation where the property is just taken by the government with reimbursement.
 

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I don’t care if trump charges the SS really though he is a shameless grifter. But it is another one of the LONG list of things trump does that republicans would be apoplectic about if a democrat were doing it.
 

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I don’t care if trump charges the SS really though he is a shameless grifter. But it is another one of the LONG list of things trump does that republicans would be apoplectic about if a democrat were doing it.
You don't care that you, as a taxpayer, are paying for his lavish and extravagant lifestyle?
 

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I am not proposing that he not have Secret Service protection
Here is the pertinent part of your post:
The pension is only part of the cost. Former presidents receive lifetime secret service protection.
Since it was already mentioned that a President, if impeached would not receive a pension, the clear implication of what you wrote is that he should not get Secret Service protection either.
 

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Trump has continued his attack against the media this morning by calling them “dangerous and sick”. He is the one who is dangerous and sick.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/05/tru...feud-saying-press-are-dangerous-and-sick.html
Thanks for sharing, Buzz, and regarding this.

In a stream of posts on Twitter, the president continued to harangue the press as the "enemy of the people" and said it "can also cause war." It came on the heels of a controversy stoked last week, when Trump revealed that he secretly met with the publisher of the New York Times in an off-the-record discussion.
And the irony of it all is that Twitter is his own enemy. He digs himself deeper into the outhouse of poop each and every time he tweets. Actually, the outhouse would be called a slop jar where I live.
 

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Well, I say let him keep tweeting. Those tweets are self implicating and will get him booted out of office, and with a little luck, into an orange jumpsuit the same color as he is. His namesake and other enablers will follow quickly thereafter.

Mueller is way ahead of all of us. He already knows Trump hired Manafort specifically for his Russian connections. It helps that he was a thief and a liar, also. I say let’s just be patient and watch the drama unfold. If this weren’t true crime it would make a hell of a drama series. Trump wanted reality tv, and this it it.

FYI...Mueller’s birthday is August 7. I am going to go light a candle that day....Election Day here for primaries!!!
 
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^He's been tweeting for over a year and has delivered plenty that should have gotten him out of office. He's still in it. And he is going to stay in it for as long as Republicans put self-interest over country.
 

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^He's been tweeting for over a year and has delivered plenty that should have gotten him out of office. He's still in it. And he is going to stay in it for as long as Republicans put self-interest over country.
This will take some time. No one moves slower than Lady Justice.

I just saw a show last night where a woman stole $9 million in a Ponzi scheme. It took a year to arrest her after the FBI knew about her crimes! A well made point on the show was that you or I would go to jail immediately for shoplifting $50 worth of stuff from the drug store. Ridiculous, but true.
 
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Here is the pertinent part of your post:

Since it was already mentioned that a President, if impeached would not receive a pension, the clear implication of what you wrote is that he should not get Secret Service protection either.
I’m pretty sure that I know what I meant when I wrote my post. How about quoting the rest of my post that specifically cites profiting off of secret service protection? Or more pertinently:
Trump has already profited extensively off of his secret service protection because he favors visiting his own golf courses and has the audacity to charge the secret service for golf carts. They are there to protect his life and there is really no hard cost to him but the Grifter in Chief sees an opportunity to make some money off of us taxpayers.

If nothing else, when Congress changes hands I hope they will pass legislation prohibiting such gross profiteering.
 

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^He's been tweeting for over a year and has delivered plenty that should have gotten him out of office. He's still in it. And he is going to stay in it for as long as Republicans put self-interest over country.
But republicans are going to lose the house with their continued defense of trump! If they had impeached and removed trump after Charlottesville they would have kept the house.
 

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This will take some time. No one moves slower than Lady Justice.
Who is going to get him out of office though? Right now, there are two options, Congress and a possible criminal indictment/conviction. The former isn't going to happen (I mean, the man just admitted that the Trump Tower meeting was about getting information on his opponent from a foreign country and I'm not really seeing much of an outrage) and the latter would only happen if the SC decides against Trump. I'm not really confident that that is going to happen either.
 

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I don’t when, I don’t really know what I am talking about anymore. I am confused and I am lucid. The ones involved are surely about to snap.

Seriously, I don’t expect anything before midterms.
 

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I don't understand this article because it doesn't even say how Michael Jordan "pushed back" or show us what he said.
Yes, the article was written in a convoluted way. I figured out that Trump tweeted 'dumb' insults to Don Lemon & LeBron James. Lemon tweeted back a spot-on response, invoking Melania's #BeBest campaign. :kickass: LeBron James did not respond to Trump's tweet. Clearly James has more important and smarter things occupying his time. :respec::kickass: Meanwhile, CNN slapped back at Trump suggesting that Melania must have had control of the remote that evening since she's known to watch CNN, and Trump professes not to. :kickass: Also, Trump's past anger over Melania watching CNN aboard AirForce One reportedly boiled over to the point where Melania's spokesperson released a statement to the media indicating that FLOTUS Melania will watch whichever stations she pleases. :lol: :kickass:

After insulting Lemon and James in his tweet, Trump tacked on this sentence: "I like Mike." An apparent reference to the ongoing GOAT debate among basketball fans re Jordan vs James. There's no indication in the article as to how Michael Jordan pushed back at Trump until the very end when it's noted that Jordan released a statement to the media via his PR rep: "I support LeBron James. He's doing an amazing job for his community." :kickass:
 
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The title of the article says it all: “Trump Republican Party in one photo”.

Sometimes there are images that so perfectly encapsulate a moment in time that all you can do is marvel. They’re the kinds of things that will show up in history textbooks, the kind of thing that high school students will look at when they’re trying to understand a previous era.

I think Cleveland.com reporter Jeremy Pelzer has taken just one of those images: a photo of two men at a Trump rally in Ohio on Saturday night wearing shirts that say “I’d rather be a Russian than a Democrat.”

These men, named James T. Alicie and Richard M. Birchfield, are a perfect encapsulation of the way Donald Trump has transformed the Republican Party in his image — abandoning its traditional positions on issues ranging from Russia to trade in favor of Trump’s positions on these issues. The photo is also an extremely clear way of understanding how deep hatred of Democrats is warping the Republican Party, part of a phenomenon political scientists call “negative partisanship.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-republican-party-russia-rather-democrat-ohio
 
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