Dangers of a Trump Presidency--Part 7

VIETgrlTerifa

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If they wouldn’t let a US Senator into one of their concentration camps for children I hardly see the media being allowed in. Instead of sitting back and waiting for someone to put images of child abuse on TV for their entertainment Americans need to demand these centers be opened up and inspected.
Many organizations and people have been fighting legal battles and trying to bring attention to this. A lot of the issues of treatment of undocumented individuals have been on-going for a while but I don't know how to make the issue hit a critical point where it can't be ignored by the mainstream anymore. I think the media could really help if they were on-board with hammering it home with photos and videos of the children who have been separated from their parents and interviewing parents. However, access is hard.
 

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The US is at a terrible impasse!! Most don’t want the same immigration laws anymore but they can’t put together a bill that can pass where everyone gets a green card if they qualify. Americans are desperate for as many immigrants as possible the bill can’t pass!

1. Americans want all people who want to work in US to have green cards
2. Americans want all families with children to have green cards

No bill
 
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I don't think it surprises anyone to learn that Trump is unable to grasp what the Presidential Records Act requires him to do. He tears up papers and throws them in the trash. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164

But White House aides realized early on that they were unable to stop Trump from ripping up paper after he was done with it and throwing it in the trash or on the floor, according to people familiar with the practice. Instead, they chose to clean it up for him, in order to make sure that the president wasn’t violating the law.

Serious question: if Trump tears them up and throws them away, doesn't he violate the law anyway? Tearing them up and leaving them behind because he knows someone will put them back together is one thing. Throwing them away suggests he has no intend on keeping the papers.

Different question: why would anyone do it? If someone is unable to understand that they're not to tear up any papers no one should feel comfortable with having that person in charge of a country and the nuclear codes and cover for that person.

And a third question: how can anyone be sure that all records are truly preserved and nothing gets accidentially thrown away? Of course, no one can ever be sure but no President was known to rip up papers before and throw them away.


Also in the article:
Lartey, 54, and Young, 48, were both career government officials who worked together in records management until this spring, when both were abruptly terminated from their jobs. Both men are now unemployed and still full of questions about why they were stripped of their badges with no explanation and marched off of the White House grounds by Secret Service.
What did they see that they may not have noticed but weren't supposed to see?
 
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My gawd what a philistine Trump is----And most of the damned Republicans cower and say nothing. Crickets. Thank God for McCain and Sasse ans some Dems.

I'd like to apologize for his horrible behavior , especially to Canada. He is a horrible, horrible man.
 

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My gawd what a philistine Trump is----And most of the damned Republicans cower and say nothing. Crickets. Thank God for McCain and Sasse ans some Dems.

I'd like to apologize for his horrible behavior , especially to Canada. He is a horrible, horrible man.
What have either plus Flake done other than put out criticising tweets and op-eds and statements? McCain has voted against the repeal of the ACA, I give him that but as far as I know every single Republican has voted for every single Trump nominee, no matter how racist, bad for the department, or the people and the fake tax cut that still stripped millions off health care. Checks and balances don't work because someone puts out criticising tweets, democracy is not upheld with words. It requires action. I'd rather McCain, Sasse and Flake put out fewer tweets and op-eds and actually got together with the Democrats and talked about how they can do something stop Trump.
 

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Like I said before now everyone in G-7 knows US is lead by unstable awful person who is not supported by Americans and is hostile to the western world! Please unite to do regime change in America.
 

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The big summit with North Korea is today and what is Trump doing at 9:00 am on a Singapore morning you ask? Why Tweet attacking PM Trudeau of course. Because Canada is the real enemy of America. He also mentioned he hopes he likes Kim. Apparently cruel dictators with the worst human rights abuses on the planet are more his thing.
 

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Another of the "this is what is happening in America right now" stories. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...5z4eFZjyfqCLG9pyHjAO/story.html?event=event25


I think it's mostly a longer version of the NYT story VIETgrlTerifa linked to but this gave me chills:

Aleman-Bendiks, the public defender, said several of her clients have told her their children were taken from them by Border Patrol agents who said they were going to give them a bath. As the hours passed, it dawned on the mothers the kids were not coming back.
 

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Is there an immigration thread?

If not, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/opinion/trump-border-migrants-separation.html

Let it be known, that the US has no leg to stand on when condemning other nations' "human rights violation" record.
There used to be right after the travel ban. Now it's all just in here.



The administration is stepping up the effort to identify anyone who might have become a US citizen under false circumstances. https://apnews.com/1da389a535684a5f...Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP

I have no problem with finding out who cheated, determining whether or not they are a threat to others and removing anyone who poses a threat to others and maybe charging those who don't with a crime (but letting them keep their citizenship).

I do have a problem with the fact that this administration has abused the system and policies before and I'm afraid that there will be a lot of racial profiling and/or unjust stripping of citizenship and deportation.

The other problem that I have is that many who cheated are probably law-abiding, working and tax-paying citizens who pose no threat but if the administration continues to remove them, the economy will collapse at one point.

And how many have cheated the system anyway so that money needs to be spent to make this a priority?



And I have no words for Trump and Kim. Agreeing to end the "war games" with SK, stating that he, the President of the United States, trusts Kim, a brutal dictator, and taking Kim's word for closing their nuclear test site? Seriously? :scream:
 

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Many organizations and people have been fighting legal battles and trying to bring attention to this. A lot of the issues of treatment of undocumented individuals have been on-going for a while but I don't know how to make the issue hit a critical point where it can't be ignored by the mainstream anymore. I think the media could really help if they were on-board with hammering it home with photos and videos of the children who have been separated from their parents and interviewing parents. However, access is hard.
The media doesn't want to tell the American people the truth, in my opinion. Main stream has done a terrible job of informing the public of the human right violations. I personally think it is on purpose, as the media is OBSESSED with the tantums of this WH Admin.

The WH, homeland security and ICE want to vilify undocumented persons. ICE, Immigration and the law enforcement assisting in these horrendous acts are committing human right violations. Using folks children this way is nothing short of terrorism.
 
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I do have a problem with the fact that this administration has abused the system and policies before and I'm afraid that there will be a lot of racial profiling and/or unjust stripping of citizenship and deportation.
Unfortunately, this already being done. Anyone who is "brown" or "tan" are being singled out and asked to prove citizenship.
 

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The reaction in America to trump Kim summit can only be compared to when Yanukovych signed that deal with Russia! Impeachment and removal of Trump is getting closer every day.
 

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The media doesn't want to tell the American people the truth, in my opinion. Main stream has done a terrible job of informing the public of the human right violations. I personally think it is on purpose, as the media is OBSESSED with this tantums of this WH Admin.
Scandal brings in more money than inconvenient truths that many probably don't even want to be faced with. And if the MSM started to tell the truth, they'd probably be faced with accusations that they are blowing "isolated cases" out of proportion and they would have to find a way to make people understand that they are not. Currently, the stories write themselves. Imagine how much harder their work would be if they put less focus on scandal.
 

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@caseyedwards - The GOP are NEVER going to start impeachment proceedings. Never.

I do not like Klugman, but he is right.
What all this tells us is that the problem facing America runs much deeper than Trump’s personal awfulness. One of our two major parties appears to be hopelessly, irredeemably corrupt. And unless that party not only loses this year’s election but begins losing on a regular basis, America as we know it is finished
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/opinion/trump-quisling-enablers.html
 

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The GOP isn’t going to have a say when democrats win the house! But democrats may choose to keep trump in office to make sure he’s the republican presidential candidate in 2020.
Great that you're thinking positive, I'm not as positive thinking as you are. With voting purges, voter id laws and pure/simply voter discouragement/disenfranchisement and the Dems lack of ""; I'm not hopeful. But hopefully I am wrong.

Also, this wh admin is already setting up the trade war and immigration as a means of showing their strength to their base.

Also, has anyone posted this http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213026379.html

Exclusive: Trump looking to erect tent cities to house unaccompanied children.

The Trump administration is looking to build tent cities at military posts around Texas to shelter the increasing number of unaccompanied migrant children being held in detention.
The Department of Health and Human Services will visit Fort Bliss, a sprawling Army base near El Paso in the coming weeks to look at a parcel of land where the administration is considering building a tent city to hold between 1,000 and 5,000 children, according to U.S. officials and other sources familiar with the plans.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213026379.html#storylink=cpy
 

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Great that you're thinking positive, I'm not as positive thinking as you are. With voting purges, voter id laws and pure/simply voter discouragement/disenfranchisement and the Dems lack of ""; I'm not hopeful. But hopefully I am wrong.

Also, this wh admin is already setting up the trade war and immigration as a means of showing their strength to their base.

Also, has anyone posted this http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213026379.html
It’s just that with Alabama electing a democrat and 20 point trump Pennsylvania district electing a democrat there isn’t a way to kick off all the voters who hate the way the country is being run. These voting bills are targeted at people most likely to be democrats but then republicans are the problem for republican candidates in Alabama and Pennsylvania
 

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This since Giuliani was very insulting to Stormy Daniels and all porn stars...
and Giuliani's third wife is filing for divorce due to his recent affair with a married woman

@MichaelAvenatti


Mr. Giuliani: my client deserves an apology for your sexist, disgusting, comments about her and women in general. I strongly suggest you provide one. Are you really taking the position that you have not viewed porn in the last year? Ever hear of something called an IP address?...
8:43 AM - Jun 11, 2018
Giuliani has been very, very quiet lately.

Could it be another Trump attorney bites the dust???
 

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^I think the MSM is getting head of themselves. There could be a number of reasons why Cohen ditched his legal team. One of them is that he plans to flip. Another could be that he thinks someone else will be better equipped to fight Mueller. And yet another one could be that they advised him to flip and he disagrees. Or that they advised him to do something else he disagreed with. And the list goes on. I think it's too early to "celebrate" before we know what he does/who he hires as counsel.
 
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This since Giuliani was very insulting to Stormy Daniels and all porn stars...
and Giuliani's third wife is filing for divorce due to his recent affair with a married woman
Giuliani has been very, very quiet lately.
Could it be another Trump attorney bites the dust???
I read that Giuliani is going through another divorce, but I didn't realize it was an affair. I thought he was rendered impotent after his prostate surgery? I guess you can commit adultery without actually having sex, but this would be the first time I've ever heard of the impotent husband in a marriage being the one to cheat! Crazy world.
 

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