Dangers of a Trump Presidency - Part 6

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twinsissv

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Just stunning. This guy's as much of a pig as his boss. Jesus, can someone not do something with these people?
OMG! Such class! Such cultured people we have representing us! I feel like I've stumbled onto the set of "The Godfather" with that new little mouthpiece spouting off to show his muscle and to scare everybody into doing his bidding. WTF? When do the bullets start flying? Will we all start speaking with a 'my cousin Vinnie' accent while we cuss the living heck out of each other? Yeah sure, for a communications director, he sure knows how to communicate! Lord! How I miss a White House that showed some dignity for the office of the President and for the people of this nation. It's almost like we wake up each day to follow the latest exciting episode of 'Horsehead in da Bed'. This latest little addition to the gang is way too much like the one sitting in the Oval Office. Their gestures and speech patterns are both disgustingly similar and do nothing to enhance the respectability of Americans or the nobility of our place in the world. But I suppose it's nuttin' personal. It's just business. :hat1:
MAKE AMERICA FOUL-MOUTHED AGAIN!
 
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Vash01

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This really fits the thread title!!!

Watch Lawrence O’Donnell at 10:00. He said he couldn’t talk about this before that time of night!

VERY OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE. Don’t read the article if that kind of stuff bothers you. I ***d out the stuff like they did on t.v. - below. This is the kind of white house those “Christians” elected. That what bothers me! Scary stuff!

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-...house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon

“Scaramucci also told me that, unlike other senior officials, he had no interest in media attention. “I’m not Steve Bannon, I’m not trying to s*** my own c***,” he said, speaking of Trump’s chief strategist. “I’m not trying to build my own brand off the f***ing strength of the President. I’m here to serve the country.” (Bannon declined to comment.)”

And some Republican somebody from New York said that's just how they talk after political meetings. How nice. Another great example for the children.

I didn't read the article. The 'sample' was enough for me. Disgusting and unprofessional, and he us the new communications director?:rolleyes:
 

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OMG! Such class! Such cultured people we have representing us! I feel like I've stumbled onto the set of "The Godfather" with that new little mouthpiece spouting off to show his muscle and to scare everybody into doing his bidding. WTF? When do the bullets start flying? Will we all start speaking with a 'my cousin Vinnie' accent while we cuss the living heck out of each other?

Such class and culture we have on this board to use every negative stereotype of Italians in a single post. And we wonder why ethnic whites voted for Trump.... :confused:

If the PC liberals on this board aren't outraged by this post, you deserve Trump.
 

MacMadame

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I agree with @BlueRidge that arguments over priorities are always going to happen and the debate over rights is besides the point.
I don't think it's beside the point. The thing is, if you think health care is a human right, then that means you can't argue over who gets it. You figure out how to get it to as many as possible and how to make it work. If you don't think it's a right, then all this stuff about cost is the issue. If it costs "too much" (whatever that means) then we don't have to do it.

I don't disagree with you, but I do think there are limits. E.g., I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's Viagra. (Using Viagra since that's the favorite liberal point.)
Except viagra, for all we think of it has a party pill, does treat a medical condition. So why shouldn't it be included? And also gender reassignment surgery. These are medical issues. They should be between us and our doctor(s). We aren't talking about cosmetic surgery here.

If the PC liberals on this board aren't outraged by this post, you deserve Trump.
I'm not enraged because whoever you are railing against must be on my ignore list. ;) But I'm happy to be enraged in theory.
 

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I'm very wary of rights that require others to do something, pay something, etc. for you

How about if it's not a right?

I have employer-based health care, for which I pay a certain amount of money. In the last year and a half, that insurance has shelled out roughly $250K on medical treatment for me, with more charges to come. This is on top of all the care I have received in the past, including two pregnancies (one high risk) and deliveries, asthma treatments, a surgery and other assorted medical care. I have not and never will pay as much into health insurance as I have taken out, and that's as of now. It's not like I will be spending less as I age.

Other people are paying for that kind of care for me. Are you also wary of that? Because that is how insurance works--not just health insurance but all insurance. Is that wrong?

These are sincere questions, because I don't really understand the argument that viewing health care as a right would mean that people are being forced to pay for others' care. That's what happens now with insurance. The only difference would be in the number of people, both those who were paying for others' care and people who were receiving the care. Do you also object to health insurance?

On another note, the Secretary of the Air Force sent out a letter today affirming that there have been no changes in policies regarding transgender personnel and that everyone is to proceed as before until further notice.
 
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Such class and culture we have on this board to use every negative stereotype of Italians in a single post. And we wonder why ethnic whites voted for Trump.... :confused:

If the PC liberals on this board aren't outraged by this post, you deserve Trump.

I just saw it and I agree with you that the post was seriously in bad taste. Remember how people were using the word "guido" all Willy nilly about five years ago? I really hated that as well. I also get uncomfortable when I watch Italian gangster depictions or even boys with overzealous mothers because I feel like they're such lazy tropes and there isn't much other "overtly" Italian-American representation. However, I feel there's something a bit amiss with your directed outrage. And does your outrage about negative historical stereotypes about Italians not make you a PC _______?

And also, why are PC Liberals getting the blame for this? You would think the response isn't to blame those who are speaking out against constant negative depictions in media and in other facets of life but to adopt those movements to advocate for better representation and bring more attention to how pervasive it is in culture and teach people to check themselves. There will be a lot of pushback as there always is and apathy, but people do it because it's necessary. The non-PC folks would have no problem with these Italian stereotypes and would hate anyone taking offense.

OMG! Such class! Such cultured people we have representing us! I feel like how his muscle and to scare everybody into doing his bidding. WTF? When do the bullets start flying? Will we all start speaking with a 'my cousin Vinnie' accent while we cuss the living heck out of each other? Yeah sure, for a communications director, he sure knows how to communicate! Lord! How I miss a White House that showed some dignity for the office of the President and for the people of this nation. It's almost like we wake up each day to follow the latest exciting episode of 'Horsehead in da Bed'. This latest little addition to the gang is way too much like the one sitting in the Oval Office. Their gestures and speech patterns are both disgustingly similar and do nothing to enhance the respectability of Americans or the nobility of our place in the world. But I suppose it's nuttin' personal. It's just business. :hat1:
MAKE AMERICA FOUL-MOUTHED AGAIN!

Maybe you didn't intend this, but what's with not only using The Godfather to make your point but talking about My Cousin Vinny accents and what not? I feel like there's a judgment being made about people who talk a certain way or look a certain or from a certain ethnic group. Italian-Americans have a really bad history of being stereotyped and dismissed as less-than and this type of characterization feeds into that. Plus, last I checked, Vinny wasn't a gangster.
 
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For the last three years, I've paid xx thousands of dollars into healthcare insurance and have gotten maybe x thousand in claims paid on my behalf.

If there is no open market plan for my state, I won't be able to see a doctor. I need proof of insurance to present at the office before I can be seen. If I don't have insurance, I can't see a doctor. No matter if I bring cash to pay straight up.

I can however, put off routine preventative care and necessary medications, wait for crisis like pneumonia, go to the ED where they as of now required to treat me. And incur huge bills, which will be discounted and increase your premiums because hospitals have to recoup somehow.
 

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Speaking of Scaramucci, both he and Sean Spicer went to the same high school in Port Washington, NY. This is interesting to me because I worked there as a debate coach (long after they graduated). Today, one of my former students (who is now a philosophy professor, I say humbly) and I were discussing Scaramucci's speaking style.

Warning to liberal PC people: Criticisms of Scaramucci totally unrelated to derogatory tropes regarding Italian-Americans to come!

It's so strange that Scaramucci can't keep the grammatical subjects of sentences consistent even within one sentence. "I’ll get to the person who leaked that to you. Reince Priebus—if you want to leak something—he’ll be asked to resign very shortly." He also uses first person and third ("The Mooch") in the same sentence. It seems to me there are some similarities between the ways Trump, Palin, and Mooch talk. I refuse to believe they're trying to be strategic with distractingly odd diction and syntax. Is it genetic? Is it Maybelline?

This brings me to another point (or "point") also on the subject of miscommunication. I know that it's human nature to think in essentialist terms, but I've recently been wondering if there are people who are actually unable to register that essentialism is (at least sometimes) inaccurate. I work with a middle-aged woman helping her edit and format papers for her Master's classes. She'll constantly say things like, "Did you hear what the libs are doing now?" and "Those libs who are atheists don't have any ability to care about other people."

And I'll tell her that I'm a liberal and I'm not doing/saying/advocating for every single cause she associates with the "the libs" and that I'm an atheist but I care about other people because I think ethics is important. I've read Zygmunt Bauman and Levinas for fun! I wonder if she has decided that I must not really be liberal because I don't fit into her monolithic conception of the libs.

Maybe it's unrealistic, but it seems worthwhile to at least hope people can understand the internal complexities associated with groups of people, whether it's groups divided by ethnicity, race, sexuality, gender or lack thereof, PC-ness or lack thereof, political identity, etc.

Anyway, it's really weird to think of Scaramucci and Spicer in the context of my experiences working at that high school, which is certainly more liberal than most of the suburban high schools in my current state (also a blue state, so I guess everyone here is blue--sad, or like raw steak, or Smurfy?).
 
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Such class and culture we have on this board to use every negative stereotype of Italians in a single post. And we wonder why ethnic whites voted for Trump.... :confused:

If the PC liberals on this board aren't outraged by this post, you deserve Trump.
Obviously as one of the "Orientals" of the board, I support your indignation regarding the totally classless comments made about someone's lack of class. However ethnic whites did not vote for Trump because twinsissv writes such boorish things.

Likewise Scaramucci himself has been blasting his new White House brand from The New Yorker to television stations non-stop by telling journalists he's speaking to them "Italian to Italian" to explain & justify the crassness of his wholly inappropriate remarks.

So I'd say for once the awful PC liberals are the very least of this particular problem, outraged as any of them may be tonight. Although a case could probably be made that twinsissv & Scaramucci deserve each other. :lol:
 
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MacMadame

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On another note, the Secretary of the Air Force sent out a letter today affirming that there have been no changes in policies regarding transgender personnel and that everyone is to proceed as before until further notice.
Glad someone believes in the rule of law.

This brings me to another point (or "point") also on the subject of miscommunication. I know that it's human nature to think in essentialist terms,
I'm not sure what that means exactly, but I know that many people have trouble putting themselves into situations they haven't experienced. Heck, many people can't go through a house they are thinking of buying and picture their own stuff in there if the current owner has stuff in there. So imagining what it's like to be Transgender is just impossible for them.

That's why most progress on social issues happens when people get to know someone who fits in the category they were previously prejudiced against.
 
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Such class and culture we have on this board to use every negative stereotype of Italians in a single post. And we wonder why ethnic whites voted for Trump.... :confused:

If the PC liberals on this board aren't outraged by this post, you deserve Trump.

If the Mooch were Jewish and similar stereotypes used about him, the antisemitism would be obvious. While he certainly represents a new low, it's not because he's Italian, it's because he's a Trump Mini-Me.
 

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Senators Graham and Booker are writing a bill that would prevent Trump from firing Mueller. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ill-to-stop-trump-from-firing-special-counsel


House Republicans want a second special counsel investigating Clinton, Comey and Lynch. I guess, they're afraid the three of them might have conspired to make Clinton lose the election. :shuffle: Talk about a waste of money. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/27/hous...--to-investigate-clinton-comey-and-lynch.html


And that's not instilling much confidence - an admiral said at a conference in Australia that he would launch a nuclear attack against China if Trump ordered to do so. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-nuclear-idUSKBN1AC1TI
I would have found "It depends" or "If justified" a more reassuring answer. :slinkaway
 

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If the Mooch were Jewish and similar stereotypes used about him, the antisemitism would be obvious. While he certainly represents a new low, it's not because he's Italian, it's because he's a Trump Mini-Me.

He seems to embrace his Italian heritage and calling himself the Mooch and all, but I think of them more as the New York tough guys/mafia mentality, not necessarily because they were Italian in The Godfather.
 

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It's so strange that Scaramucci can't keep the grammatical subjects of sentences consistent even within one sentence. "I’ll get to the person who leaked that to you. Reince Priebus—if you want to leak something—he’ll be asked to resign very shortly."

I'm guessing that kind of thing happens because the mind has moved on to the next thought before the beginning of the sentence/previous sentence is grammatically completed. I think that happens to all of us sometimes -- some more than others -- while speaking spontaneously. And when writing and especially writing and then partially editing an FSU post or the like and getting distracted in the middle of a sentence.

He also uses first person and third ("The Mooch") in the same sentence. It seems to me there are some similarities between the ways Trump, Palin, and Mooch talk. I refuse to believe they're trying to be strategic with distractingly odd diction and syntax. Is it genetic? Is it Maybelline?

This brings me to another point (or "point") also on the subject of miscommunication. I know that it's human nature to think in essentialist terms, but I've recently been wondering if there are people who are actually unable to register that essentialism is (at least sometimes) inaccurate. I work with a middle-aged woman helping her edit and format papers for her Master's classes. She'll constantly say things like, "Did you hear what the libs are doing now?" and "Those libs who are atheists don't have any ability to care about other people."

And I'll tell her that I'm a liberal and I'm not doing/saying/advocating for every single cause she associates with the "the libs" and that I'm an atheist but I care about other people because I think ethics is important.

Good for you. Conversations like that probably make a difference, incrementally, in the right direction.

I remember a discussion on a mailing list I belong to. Someone asked, maybe half joking, why atheists would bother holding funerals if they don't believe in God.

I responded that "closure" and "reaffirming bonds within the community among the living" would be two such reasons. I think he took the point.

That's why most progress on social issues happens when people get to know someone who fits in the category they were previously prejudiced against.

People who live in small communities without much opportunity to travel or interact with others who have different experiences from their own often don't realize that people who are different in obvious external ways are still people and they often have a lot more in common than might be evident at first glance.

Which is why it's useful to interact with people who are different from us -- to listen, and also to share our own experiences, honestly and without judgment as much as possible.

FSU is one place to do so. But within any majority opinion, liberal as well as conservative, it can be too tempting to make fun of those who hold different views rather than just honestly disagreeing. Especially in an environment that prizes snarky wit as much as this one.

I think pop culture in general, and television especially, can play a big role toward incremental social change. If popular shows depict people from different backgrounds with different life experiences, viewers can come to recognize and identify with real or fictional individuals instead of just relegating other identities to an "othered" abstraction.
 

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And that's not instilling much confidence - an admiral said at a conference in Australia that he would launch a nuclear attack against China if Trump ordered to do so. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-nuclear-idUSKBN1AC1TI
I would have found "It depends" or "If justified" a more reassuring answer. :slinkaway
Except there is such a thing as the Rule of Law and the President is in charge of the military. If the military would refuse one of his orders, that could mean they would also do something he didn't order. So if Generals are willing not to push the button when asked, that opens the door to them being willing to push the button when not asked.

Just because Trump doesn't give a crap about the law and the rules doesn't mean we should throw them out in response to him.
 

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And that's not instilling much confidence - an admiral said at a conference in Australia that he would launch a nuclear attack against China if Trump ordered to do so. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-nuclear-idUSKBN1AC1TI
I would have found "It depends" or "If justified" a more reassuring answer. :slinkaway

Yeah, as MacMadame pointed out....the president is indeed the Commander in Chief of the military. An admiral refusing to follow his orders is basically committing mutiny. That's why we desperately NEED someone smart, level-headed, sane, and decent as POTUS.
 

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I find it strange how some people can hear what they want to hear and ignore just as easily that with which they might disagree. My post which seems to have caused so much angst among some people represented my personal feelings about the little Mooch's vulgar, filthy language for someone of his 'standing'. And I don't apologize for my comments since no ethnicity was mentioned. If you approve of his 'words', fine. But don't try to make it seem like I insulted an entire group of people while denouncing the profanity that he used to express himself so colorfully and so utterly unprofessionally. As for the ethnic references that you chose to emphasize (in isolation without expressing any objection to his use of language), you'll have to take it up with Mario Puzo and Francis Ford Coppola...their characters. I had nothing to do with that. I used their material as my source and I still see similarities in some of their characters with the Mooch. That's his problem...not mine.
 

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Except there is such a thing as the Rule of Law and the President is in charge of the military. If the military would refuse one of his orders, that could mean they would also do something he didn't order. So if Generals are willing not to push the button when asked, that opens the door to them being willing to push the button when not asked.

Just because Trump doesn't give a crap about the law and the rules doesn't mean we should throw them out in response to him.

Yeah, as MacMadame pointed out....the president is indeed the Commander in Chief of the military. An admiral refusing to follow his orders is basically committing mutiny. That's why we desperately NEED someone smart, level-headed, sane, and decent as POTUS.

I'm sorry but if Trump were to order a nuclear strike on China just because then I certainly hope there are enough military officers who have the backbone to refuse the order, no matter who Trump or the President is. You don't nuke someone just because you wonder why you don't use those weapons and you feel like they should be used. A nuclear strike should always be the last resort.
 

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Even The New York Times makes movie analogies re Trump's circus deplorables:

By CHRIS CIRILLO and SARAH STEIN KERR 2:43
Scaramucci and Trump Bring Trash Talk to West Wing
Scaramucci and Trump Bring Trash Talk to West Wing

"The blunt lingo of President Trump and his new communications director, Anthony Scaramucci, can sometimes sound like a cross between 'Goodfellas' and 'The Wolf of Wall Street.'"

The Godfather is like an American institution in many ways like Gone With the Wind, but seriously check out all the stereotypes in both those movies, and chill re someone making a reference to characters in Coppola's movie masterpiece. :p :watch:

Gotta love living in this day and age, since what else choice do we have? Time travel? I think if any of us were to travel back in time, we just might pray to travel right back to the present time in which we were born, maybe for a reason. Getting along with each other here is another matter entirely. :duh: I appreciate @twinsissv's passion, even though I'm not in agreement with each and every utterance, love your no-holds barred wit, humor, puns and alliterations. :)
 

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He was in trouble, so it's not a big surprise. Who is next? Sessions seems like the most likely domino to fall.
I think that Sessions has major support from his former Senate colleagues who have been issuing warnings against Trump firing the AG.
In the 20 minutes it took for me to get my eyebrows done, Preibus quit and Mrs. Mooch is leaving her husband.
I just stepped out for 10 minutes to mail some letters. So Mrs. Mooch has left her crude, foul-mouthed husband ... I wonder if Melania might extend her visit to Canada ... indefinitely. :p
 
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