#Canada150 (Canadian politics and related issues)

skategal

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In CA, the law is that you are supposed to merge into the bike lane before turning right for just this reason. Not everyone knows this though and some will even argue that this isn't the law. 🤷
That makes sense if people know about it.

I don’t know what the rule is here but I know there are a signs saying don’t drive in the bike lanes with threat of high fines if you do.

Plus, some areas downtown have barriers between the bike lanes and car lanes so people would be reluctant to do the merge for sure.

I’ll have to look closer next time I’m downtown.
 

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My big issue with bike riders and pedestrians is often they are where all black, have no lights on their bikes or reflective fabric on their clothing, and yet they think it's acceptable to ride/walk on the road at night. At least make yourself visible.
Omg never biked at night. As a teenager lol (long ago) but nope.
 

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Omg never biked at night. As a teenager lol (long ago) but nope.
Last winter we got a lot of rain but not much snow. One night it was throwing down rain and a guy on a bike made a left turn across the traffic in front of the car ahead of me. He had no light and nothing reflective, yet if someone had hit him it would be the motorist's fault for not sharing the road.
 

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yet if someone had hit him it would be the motorist's fault for not sharing the road.
:rolleyes:

All the motorists would have to do is stay at the scene and cooperate and the police would act like it was just an unfortunate accident and they wouldn't be charged.
 

Pink Cats

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:rolleyes:

All the motorists would have to do is stay at the scene and cooperate and the police would act like it was just an unfortunate accident and they wouldn't be charged.

Legally yes there would be no charges but in the court of public opinion, in Halifax at least, the Driver would be held responsible.
 

Andora

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:rolleyes:

All the motorists would have to do is stay at the scene and cooperate and the police would act like it was just an unfortunate accident and they wouldn't be charged.

The back and forth here reminds me... There's long been a bizarre and unwinnable culture war over the roads in certain Canadian cities that I keep chalking up to winter making drivers ignorant. Before I owned a car living in Toronto, I biked a LOT in the spring/summer months. I couldn't imagine biking in winter, though enough others do. I've had commutes made worse by the installation of bike lanes, and I personally get frustrated when they sit there unused through large swatches of the year. That doesn't mean I'm right, it's just part and parcel of this weird stand off in parts of Canada due to the inordinate amount of snow we can get. Motorists here don't see value in sharing the road with cyclists, and sadly act accordingly.

For every cyclist that bikes like they're racing through thunderdome, there's hundreds of others who follow the rules they're aware of. And because biking in Toronto just isn't as common as it would be in Vancouver or parts of the US, plenty of cyclists don't really understand the rules either. Where I am in York region, there's more space and plenty of (rarely used) bike lanes. I love biking along the paths and side streets here, but people do NOT feel safe using the bike lanes on major roads. When I lived in a smaller town, it was just accepted for people to bike on sidewalks.

Such a weird mishmash of rules, understanding/interpreting/applying the rules, and a whole lot of us vs. them mentality that I do not see improving as long as gas prices are stable. Maybe when we're back to $2/litre, cyclists will get more respect in this province. :p
 

MacMadame

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Legally yes there would be no charges but in the court of public opinion, in Halifax at least, the Driver would be held responsible.
Not here in the US sadly.

Here is an example:

A group was out biking. An older woman decided to pass them on a blind curve and when she saw an oncoming car she pulled back into her lane on top of the cyclists killing one of them. As they all stood around dealing with the aftermath, the woman's daughter says "but what else could she have done?"

I don't know... how about WAITING UNTIL IT WAS SAFE TO PASS!!

Nothing happened to the driver either. And articles about the "accident" were full of comments disparaging cyclists.

When I lived in a smaller town, it was just accepted for people to bike on sidewalks.
That's actually dangerous for pedestrians. A cyclist going fast can kill a pedestrian if they hit them. It's happened around where I live more than once.
 

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The back and forth here reminds me... There's long been a bizarre and unwinnable culture war over the roads in certain Canadian cities that I keep chalking up to winter making drivers ignorant. Before I owned a car living in Toronto, I biked a LOT in the spring/summer months. I couldn't imagine biking in winter, though enough others do. I've had commutes made worse by the installation of bike lanes, and I personally get frustrated when they sit there unused through large swatches of the year. That doesn't mean I'm right, it's just part and parcel of this weird stand off in parts of Canada due to the inordinate amount of snow we can get. Motorists here don't see value in sharing the road with cyclists, and sadly act accordingly.

For every cyclist that bikes like they're racing through thunderdome, there's hundreds of others who follow the rules they're aware of. And because biking in Toronto just isn't as common as it would be in Vancouver or parts of the US, plenty of cyclists don't really understand the rules either. Where I am in York region, there's more space and plenty of (rarely used) bike lanes. I love biking along the paths and side streets here, but people do NOT feel safe using the bike lanes on major roads. When I lived in a smaller town, it was just accepted for people to bike on sidewalks.

Such a weird mishmash of rules, understanding/interpreting/applying the rules, and a whole lot of us vs. them mentality that I do not see improving as long as gas prices are stable. Maybe when we're back to $2/litre, cyclists will get more respect in this province. :p
For sure. It works both ways. Good vs bad.
 

Andora

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That's actually dangerous for pedestrians. A cyclist going fast can kill a pedestrian if they hit them. It's happened around where I live more than once.
NO question. Just because they do it doesn't mean it's right.

(And that example you shared of the cyclist needlessly dying... that reaction is so infuriating :( )
 

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I am originally from Ontario and as a driver I find that there is a larger than normal subset of pedestrians and cyclist in Halifax that indulge in reckless behavior. This problem may be because we have 10 university and collage campuses in town, which is a lot for a city of under 500,000. Halifax has had a major drive to lower pedestrian accidents over the last few years. Yesterday a young man jay walked across the street in front of me, it was dark out, he wore black, was talking on the phone and did not look to see if there was on coming traffic. This kind of behavior really bothers me,
 

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I am originally from Ontario and as a driver I find that there is a larger than normal subset of pedestrians and cyclist in Halifax that indulge in reckless behavior. This problem may be because we have 10 university and collage campuses in town, which is a lot for a city of under 500,000. Halifax has had a major drive to lower pedestrian accidents over the last few years. Yesterday a young man jay walked across the street in front of me, it was dark out, he wore black, was talking on the phone and did not look to see if there was on coming traffic. This kind of behavior really bothers me,
Yah that wouldn’t be me. I’m really careful about crossing. My autistic sister got hit by a car while she was rightfully crossing a few years ago. Thank 🙏 not badly, the driver was charged. I told her she needs to watch that cars are slowing (I do that) but she’s autistic and decided to take a longer bus route.
 

Andora

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YAY! :cheer2:

But the Ontario government seems to be pulling a petty move by reducing support for virtual appointments.

Anything Drug Ford and his band of thieves can do to hasten the breakdown of our public health system. I'm not even mad at him - he's always been who he is. I'm disgusted by those who voted FOR him and continue to support conservative policies & politicians, AND the millions of asshole Ontarians who stayed home.

This province deserves to suffer if that's how we're going to treat it and each other.
 

kalamalka

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But the Ontario government seems to be pulling a petty move by reducing support for virtual appointments.

Anything Drug Ford and his band of thieves can do to hasten the breakdown of our public health system. I'm not even mad at him - he's always been who he is. I'm disgusted by those who voted FOR him and continue to support conservative policies & politicians, AND the millions of asshole Ontarians who stayed home.

This province deserves to suffer if that's how we're going to treat it and each other.
And then there's Alberta . . . I really feel sorry for all the rational people in that province.
 

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But the Ontario government seems to be pulling a petty move by reducing support for virtual appointments.

Anything Drug Ford and his band of thieves can do to hasten the breakdown of our public health system. I'm not even mad at him - he's always been who he is. I'm disgusted by those who voted FOR him and continue to support conservative policies & politicians, AND the millions of asshole Ontarians who stayed home.

This province deserves to suffer if that's how we're going to treat it and each other.

I don't disagree with anything you've said about Ford, but in fairness, both the Liberals and the NDP ran very bad campaigns, spending all of their time attacking each other, letting Ford off the hook.

Last but not least, the blue collar, predominantly male union vote, went to Doug Ford and the Conservatives, not Horvath and the NDP, and that went a long, long way to giving Ford a victory.
 

Andora

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I don't disagree with anything you've said about Ford, but in fairness, both the Liberals and the NDP ran very bad campaigns, spending all of their time attacking each other, letting Ford off the hook.

Last but not least, the blue collar, predominantly male union vote, went to Doug Ford and the Conservatives, not Horvath and the NDP, and that went a long, long way to giving Ford a victory.

Oh, completely agreed - and I'd go even more incendiary. If either Horwath or Del Duca cared about Ontario half as much as they said they did, they would have recognized the need to work together. One of the parties had to put their ego down, and they refused. As far as I'm concerned, are complicit in all of this.

I'm sure the LPO is gleefully rubbing their hands together thinking of how desperate Ontarians will be come next election. No doubt they're hoping for another big win like McGuinty's first term. And so the cycle goes on.

And then there's Alberta . . . I really feel sorry for all the rational people in that province.

Oh, God, their Premier is beyond tragic at this point.

In fact, let me manage to blame Alberta for making Ford look slightly less awful. :lol:
 
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We just have to make it through 6 months without her setting the province on fire. I'm very concerned though. I can't afford to movie to BC but I'll figure something out if I have to.
You’re always welcome to my guest room or whatever other help I can provide while you get sorted out if you want. That Alberta Sovereignty Act is kind of scary. And Smith’s reassurances are not very reassuring :shuffle:
 

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There are howls of protests against bill 23 from politicians on down but l doubt it will do any good. The shortfall in revenue is going to result in huge tax increases for ordinary people not Ford’s millionaire and billionaire friends.
 

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There are howls of protests against bill 23 from politicians on down but l doubt it will do any good. The shortfall in revenue is going to result in huge tax increases for ordinary people not Ford’s millionaire and billionaire friends.
Yeah .. he is just horrible.
 

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We just have to make it through 6 months without her setting the province on fire. I'm very concerned though. I can't afford to movie to BC but I'll figure something out if I have to.
She’ll likely be voted out in May? There are a lot of Alberta peeps that don’t like her at all.
 

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She’ll likely be voted out in May? There are a lot of Alberta peeps that don’t like her at all.
See logically I know that's true. But I live in an area where people think she has good ideas and it's hard not to be nervous about the election when I'm surrounded by people who aren't adverse to her train of thought.
 

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See logically I know that's true. But I live in an area where people think she has good ideas and it's hard not to be nervous about the election when I'm surrounded by people who aren't adverse to her train of thought.
I get that. Hugs. ❤️
 
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Alberta is a sad cluster**** right now. I've been pretty open about my feelings regarding some of the population of that province, but I didn't think it would get worse like this.

Speaking of getting worse... Is it the '90s all over again? Because I'm terrified at the prospect of needing a hospital visit. It's awful in Ontario, but it sounds like it's bad across the country. It's easy in Ontario to blame Doug Ford for not spending the funds Ottawa provided FOR healthcare. Many of us believe the huge issues we're seeing are planned in order to make way for privatization. But is this a bigger problem across the board?
 

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Alberta is a sad cluster**** right now. I've been pretty open about my feelings regarding some of the population of that province, but I didn't think it would get worse like this.

Speaking of getting worse... Is it the '90s all over again? Because I'm terrified at the prospect of needing a hospital visit. It's awful in Ontario, but it sounds like it's bad across the country. It's easy in Ontario to blame Doug Ford for not spending the funds Ottawa provided FOR healthcare. Many of us believe the huge issues we're seeing are planned in order to make way for privatization. But is this a bigger problem across the board?
Yes .. same here. I hear you.
 

skategal

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Alberta is a sad cluster**** right now. I've been pretty open about my feelings regarding some of the population of that province, but I didn't think it would get worse like this.

Speaking of getting worse... Is it the '90s all over again? Because I'm terrified at the prospect of needing a hospital visit. It's awful in Ontario, but it sounds like it's bad across the country. It's easy in Ontario to blame Doug Ford for not spending the funds Ottawa provided FOR healthcare. Many of us believe the huge issues we're seeing are planned in order to make way for privatization. But is this a bigger problem across the board?
Yes really bad in Nova Scotia too.

The top paediatric doctor in the province who was very reluctant to say anything about having a mask mandate for kids in previous years for Covid (but finally did) just came out and said parents should pull their kids out of daycare for the next two weeks if possible and kids need to wear masks in school until Christmas break. :eek:

Also our newish Premier was hired on the promise of “fixing health care” which was laughable then and even more so now. :rolleyes: :lol:
 

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I went to California last week, thinking that I could buy a bunch of children's Tylenol/Advil home with me, as there was apparently so much surplus. But guess what? I couldn't find any! I was able to secure a couple of bottles of the Walgreens brand.

And the news made such a "This is only happening in Canada!" thing. I get tired of these "This is such an embarrassment for Canada!" angle the news so often take. Similar to making fun of Vancouver drivers in the snow.
 

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I went to California last week, thinking that I could buy a bunch of children's Tylenol/Advil home with me, as there was apparently so much surplus. But guess what? I couldn't find any! I was able to secure a couple of bottles of the Walgreens brand.

And the news made such a "This is only happening in Canada!" thing. I get tired of these "This is such an embarrassment for Canada!" angle the news so often take. Similar to making fun of Vancouver drivers in the snow.
People should make fun of Vancouverites driving in the snow (without snow tires). Idiots. I'm in Vancouver so I'm allowed to say that.

Also, just got back from Shopper's. Their shelves were fully stocked with children's Tylenol and Advil and, I think, their own brand. Maybe we're just fortunate.
 

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London Drugs stores are keeping their children's Tylenol and Advil behind the pharmacy counter because they have limits on how many people can purchase and that's the only way they have to enforce it. That's only helpful for western Canadians though.
 

skategal

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I went to California last week, thinking that I could buy a bunch of children's Tylenol/Advil home with me, as there was apparently so much surplus. But guess what? I couldn't find any! I was able to secure a couple of bottles of the Walgreens brand.

And the news made such a "This is only happening in Canada!" thing. I get tired of these "This is such an embarrassment for Canada!" angle the news so often take. Similar to making fun of Vancouver drivers in the snow.
I couldn’t find much in California in May but had no issues getting it in Bangor in September. I couldn’t get the Advil brand but could get Target brand ibuprofen.

But Tylenol brand was plentiful. I even got liquid Tylenol “for the whole family” which included adult doses. Loved that!

I saw kids Tylenol behind the counter at Shoppers Drug Mart in Halifax.
 

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