#Canada150 (Canadian politics and related issues)

pat c

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The demands are very unrealistic, and I am not unhappy that we'd be out of it. I've always been scared of the water agreement part of it. But the US will be the one who might be the biggest loser.

I should re-read nafta, it's been a while.
 

rvi5

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None of these trade agreements go far enough, in my view. Each country participating should unilaterally abolish all import duties, quotas and tariffs. In short, free trade period.

Not likely to happen, since each country will protect certain industries for national security reasons. They can not risk the collapse of those industries within their country.

During war, opposing countries will destroy fuel depots, cut telephone lines, damage transportation routes, etc. In earlier times, they would surround castles, and starve out the occupants. Obviously the energy, telecommunication, transportation, and agricultural industries are among the more important industries countries prefer to be self sufficient in if possible. If they become too dependant on other countries to provide these goods & services, they will be at the mercy of the other country. While everyone was preoccupied with Hitler, Japan attempted an invasion of China. The US refused to sell oil and steel to Japan, which eventually led to the attack on Pearl harbour, and the US being pulled into WWII.

China wants to obtain oil from Canada to feed their growing demand, but complain there should not be restrictions on how much foreign investment will be allowed in Canadian oil and telecommunication companies. They have said multiple times, national security should not be a factor in free trade. But isn’t that what they are doing? For their national security, they want to obtain a controlling interest in Canadian oil companies to ensure they get an uninterrupted flow of oil at prices they prefer. They even encourage Canada building a pipeline from Alberta to the Pacific coast. Apparently when China takes controlling interest in a foreign company, they tend to put their executives in the upper management key roles. They don’t want Canada to have a finger over the shut-off button.

Trump has complained about US dependance on foreign steel imports from China. I suspect the US military may have had something to do with that concern. Can’t effectively build ships, planes, tanks, etc. if China can cut off the steel supply flow during a period of war.

The dairy industry is something Canada protects. There are more cows in Wisconsin, than all of Canada. Apparently Canada is not interested in being a big player in that world wide market, and mostly just wants to provide enough dairy products to feed Canadians. The supply management system works well in a mostly closed industry. However it results in higher prices for Canadians. Foreign countries see the high dairy prices within Canada, and consider Canada an easy target to sell their cheaper excess milk. Doing that would collapse the entire Canadian dairy industry, hence quotas and tariffs become necessary to protect it. If there is another great depression or world war, would the US provide inexpensive dairy products to Canada, or will it take an “America first” attitude?

In a world of separate countries, distrust, conflicts, and “me-myself-and-I” attitudes, total free trade is not a likely possibility.
 

Japanfan

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A new Quebec law requires women wearing the niqab to unveil before receiving public services.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...36680954/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

I agree with the PM on this.

"I don't think it should be the government's business to tell a woman what she should or shouldn't be wearing," he said. "I will always stand up for the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is what Canadians expect of me."

I think that if they are going to ban the niqab, other headdresses should likely be banned, and religious symbols (which the niqab is often seen as, but some who wear it likely disagree with that view.

The bit I saw on the news said this law would not be ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court.
 
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skatingguy

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I think it is just face coverings that are at issue. People need to know who the person is.
While riding a bus? Or taking out a library book? Woman who wear the niqab or burka are willing to remove them to identify themselves in situations were it is required by doing so with some privacy and a female employee. So identifying an individual in circumstances in which it is important for security reasons, like renewing a driver's license, are not an issue. Also, keep in mind that the current estimate is that there are 12 people in the province of Quebec who actually where a niqab or burka, so this is a law in search of a problem and is cynically playing people's misconceptions, fears, and prejudices in order to win an election a year from now. The law will probably be struck down sometime after the election because, besides being incredibly stupid and discriminatory, it's unconstitutional, though it's also worth noting that so far the cities of Montreal and Laval have said that they will not enforce this law.

Quebec’s Bill 62 declares war on sunglasses
Notwithstanding the bill’s label, Vallée’s says that under her law someone sporting dark sunglasses would be treated in the same way as a woman wearing a face-covering veil. Both would have to remove them for the duration of a transit ride or in the minister’s own words for “as long as the service is being rendered.”
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/10/20/quebecs-bill-62-declares-war-on-sunglasses-hbert.html
 

Winnipeg

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I have been asked to remove sunglasses when crossing border.

Maybe the law should just read your face has to be exposed for licences, boarding plane with passport, entering banks, passport pics etc.
 

Buzz

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LilJen

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I think everyone knows my libertarian views, so this is not an endorsement of the NDP. But Federal leader Jagmeet Singh at least is brave enough for a federal major party leader, to raise the idea of legalizing all drugs, not just marijuana. Hopefully this will cause a dialogue on the subject. https://globalnews.ca/news/3844592/...risis-drug-addiction-social-criminal-justice/
I think decriminalization should be explored by your neighbor to the south as well (for which substances, I don't really know, but we should really seriously consider it!). I live in the US Midwest and addictions are a HUGE problem, as is lack of access to treatment. Decriminalization would at least free up some funds for treatment, I think, and decriminalization has been an enormous success in Portugal.
 

Jenny

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I'm glad that in this time when so much of the world seems to be stepping backwards, Canada is moving ahead - owning up to its disgraces of the past, and slowly but steadily trying to right wrongs as much as that's possible, and move forward boldly.
 

skatingguy

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Boy, politicians with too much power and with the unshakable drive to order people around. The Quebec legislature passed a motion mandating shopkeeper to stop saying 'Hi' to customers :angryfire. If I were a shopkeeper, I'd tell the provincial government to 'Go Forth And Multiply'. Or, words to that effect! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42200730
Bill 101 - Quebec Language Law - no way around it. French has to be the first language spoken to any customer and the customer has to indicate an intent to communicate in a different language. Discussions between co-workers are to be entirely in French while in the workplace even if the discussion has nothing to do with work. Children have to attend French language schools unless the family has a history with an English language school board.
 

manhn

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On Jan 8, Canadians can register for a $25 Loblaws gift card due to that bread price fixing scheme. Having never bought bread at Loblaws (let alone packaged bread), I am still going to get one. But people are going to donate it to charity. I will do the same. So, if you were not intending to get one, perhaps take the time and then give it to your local food bank.
 

skatingguy

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Jenny

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So, in the space of 24 hours two provincial party leaders step down in the face of sexual misconduct allegations, the latter just a few months before an election he was predicted to win.

I don't know much about the NS case, but reading this morning's reports about Patrick Brown all I can think about is how incredibly fast it happened. Just a few hours between initial news reports to his denial then pressure from the party to step down immediately, in the middle of the night.

So far his two accusers have not been named, but the details sound a lot like much of what we've heard about many of the other men in the past few months. I want to believe everyone, but the timing is also so ...
 

skatingguy

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So far his two accusers have not been named, but the details sound a lot like much of what we've heard about many of the other men in the past few months. I want to believe everyone, but the timing is also so ...
I can understand that the appearance of the timing may make it looks suspicious, but CBC is reporting that members of Brown's staff were resigning because he wouldn't resign. All of that changes in 3 hours, and Brown resigns, and I don't think his staff would be pushing him to resign if there was any believe that these accusations were politically motivated.
 

Jenny

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Perhaps those closest to him knew something more, or when they heard the news report said to themselves "yeah, that sounds like something he would do" or there were rumours from his years in politics so that allowed them to be quickly decisive. Perhaps we will hear more in the coming days.

But what if this is just fear? What if the accusations are not true, or if there is at least more to the stories, and this is the first anyone has heard of them? What if the party thought it best to move as fast as possible to contain the scandal to one person (rather than start the "who knew about this?" phase) so they could quickly realign and save the election? In other words, a politically motivated reaction to what could be a politically motivated attack on his reputation and character?

I'm not saying that's what's happened - history has told us that it's likely all true - but in some ways I guess it's the reaction that I'm trying to wrap my head around as much as the accusations.

One article discussing what's next notes that while Brown has been very successful at fundraising and building membership, there are still rifts within - he's an outsider in provincial politics, much of the new membership he's attracted is among immigrant communities and thus his platform is much more centrist that some party members want, his pledges to offers something new but leave most of the current policies and programs in place, etc.
 

skatingguy

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My feeling is that these allegations are coming from inside Brown's office. The timeline of events suggests that Brown was made aware of the allegations, had a news conference to address and deny them, and then 3 hours later announces his resignation. It seems to me, if there was any doubt about these allegations that a little time would have been taken between going public with them and resigning. His resignation statement came at 1:30 am - what was the rush. If this was being done in a proper political way they would have waited until Friday evening to announce the resignation because very few people watch the news Friday, and Saturday papers have a lower readership as well. It's certainly very surprsing that the Leader of the Opposition and probably the next Premier is out so quickly less than six months before an election.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-pc-leader-patrick-brown-urgent-conference-1.4502883
CBC News Posted: Jan 24, 2018 9:22 PM ET Last Updated: Jan 25, 2018 1:48 AM ET

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/patrick-brown-resigns-ontario-pc-1.4503040
Mike Crawley · CBC News · Posted: January 25th 2018, 7:51:45 AM | Last Updated: an hour ago
 

WildRose

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Perhaps those closest to him knew something more, or when they heard the news report said to themselves "yeah, that sounds like something he would do" or there were rumours from his years in politics so that allowed them to be quickly decisive. Perhaps we will hear more in the coming days.

But what if this is just fear? What if the accusations are not true, or if there is at least more to the stories, and this is the first anyone has heard of them? What if the party thought it best to move as fast as possible to contain the scandal to one person (rather than start the "who knew about this?" phase) so they could quickly realign and save the election? In other words, a politically motivated reaction to what could be a politically motivated attack on his reputation and character?

I'm not saying that's what's happened - history has told us that it's likely all true - but in some ways I guess it's the reaction that I'm trying to wrap my head around as much as the accusations.

One article discussing what's next notes that while Brown has been very successful at fundraising and building membership, there are still rifts within - he's an outsider in provincial politics, much of the new membership he's attracted is among immigrant communities and thus his platform is much more centrist that some party members want, his pledges to offers something new but leave most of the current policies and programs in place, etc.

I don’t know if he is guilty or not, but the timing makes me very uncomfortable. I think the party moved very quickly to limit the damage because in today’s political climate, charges like this would destroy any chance he had of winning the next election. Regardless of his guilt or innocence his career is over and his campaign team knew that. Their priority is the party, not the candidate.
 

WildRose

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He had no choice but to go public with the allegations, the media had the story and were running with it.
The Party had to get him out as quickly as possible to limit the damage. The sooner the better, because then the story becomes “who will be the new leader”?, rather than “will accused sex predator step down?”
 

pat c

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Brown has been a lifetime politician? The cynic in me says it's a way to keep his gold plated pension. ;) It is one of the reasons why Wall (Premier of SK) has resigned. The charges will move to the back burner and perhaps dropped so he can keep it, regardless of whether the accusations are true or false. I know, I know.........I am a cynic.
 

Jenny

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The sooner the better, because then the story becomes “who will be the new leader”?, rather than “will accused sex predator step down?”

This is exactly what's happening, and it's less than 12 hours since the resignation. One report I read said that party leadership said it had to be immediate - not waiting for morning - which has turned out to be a good move. Major media were awake when the news broke and for the initial press conference, likely were still up working on the story (and perhaps tipped off that the conference calls were happening), and then had hours to let it sink in so they could move to the obvious next story right away. By the time we get to the evening news, the accusations that started it all less than 24 hours earlier will be buried.

So, likely very well handled by the party. But it still begs so many questions - did they do all this because they believe it's true, or because some of them saw a chance to get rid of him while feeling they still had time to pick up the pieces, or because it was the right thing to do - and if the latter, do they really think it was the right thing to do, or is it just the thing to do in today's climate?
 

skategal

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In the NS case, the PC Party had an independent investigation conducted into the allegations and seem to be acting on the results (ie. forcing Baillie to resign.).

Doesn't seem to be a rush job.
 

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