#Canada150 (Canadian politics and related issues)

fsfann

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Doesn't matter about NAFTA really...after all of these attacks on small businesses and small business owners are done, there will be nothing left of our economy anyway. Unless you're working for the Liberal party or in civil service. :(
 

skategal

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https://www.theguardian.com/environ...s-to-canada-isnt-about-generosity-but-justice

I had no idea that Canada was as culpable as the US over Haiti.

Article argues that Canadians should give asylum to the Haitians because they are partially responsible for their plight.

Yep we did some shitty stuff back then (don't even get me started on Afghanistan....)

This is our response to the Haiti refugees now. :rolleyes: :wall:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/government-expanding-outreach-beyond-haitians-1.4272125
 

rvi5

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They are likely worried about the ~321,220 people in the US who could head for the border as their TPS expires in the next several months, if Canada is seen making exceptions to the law. The Hatians who fit the definition of refugee will be accepted, those who do not would need the exception. There is also the flow of additional people who specifically travel to the US for the purpose of crossing the border. When Syrian and Somali people had crossed previously, some had recent US visitor visas issued at a US embassy in Saudi Arabia.

TPS holders currently in the USA...

El Salvador: 195000
Honduras: 57000
Haiti: 50000
Nepal: 8950
Syria: 5800
Nicaragua: 2550
Yemen: 1000
Sudan: 450
Somalia: 270
South Sudan: 75-200

Tony Clement of the Conservative party, insists the government enforce the law. Not sure what he meant, since the RCMP and CBSA are already enforcing the laws as they are currently written. Clement now appears to be laying low after that radio talk show fiasco. However, Michelle Rempel wants the government to give the RCMP and CBSA the authority to turn people back. Turn them back to where? Can't do that without an OK from the US, and/or violating the UN refugee act. That is why the Third party loophole exists, the US will not take them back. Obama refused when Harper had previously suggested updating the agreement, and Trump is definitely not interested in taking anyone back. Instead, I can picture him in the Oval office celebrating doing the Walter Brennan happy dance (instead of costing the US taxpayer to deport them, they become Canada's expense).

https://youtu.be/3w4B7QxL_n4

Canada can try to accept them, but that may open the flood gates as all migrants from around the world will expect an equal exception to the law. The NDP want the government to cancel the Third party agreement, but again that may open the flood gates since there is no deterrent for people making false refugee claims at a border check-point (crossing illegally can get you a criminal record if your refugee claim fails, not to mention potential fines and/or jail, certainly deportation at the first opportunity). Unfortunately, there are no fast easy solution to the dilemma.

ETA: I just thought of a solution...tell Trump, Obama was firmly against updating the "Third party agreement". Out of spite and hate for Obama, Trump will do the opposite and agree to the update. Problem solved! ;)

Of course it depends on what Trump hates more...refugee & migrants, or Obama. :confused:
 
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skategal

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Also if Trump repeals DACA, that leaves another 800000 (undocumented adults brought to the USA illegally with their parents) without protection that I would expect some would try and come to Canada too.

What a mess. No easy answers for this one.
 

DORISPULASKI

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You will be lucky if the DACA kids go to Canada.
As a group, they are just what any country would want as immigrants. Trump is nucking futz if he insists on kicking them out. Trudeau should be standing at the border, welcoming them

Here's what a person had to be to have qualified for DACA:
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/consideration-deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-daca

1. Young- Those in the program are, at the very oldest, 36, at the very youngest 16.

  • Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012
  • Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;
  • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS

2. Are generally fluent in English, since they must have come here young.

  • Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday

3. Are generally of good character, since they must to be accepted into the program:
  • Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.

and they must maintain good character since they must renew their DACA status every two years.

4. They are people who meet this qualification too, and so have at the minimum a basic education:

  • Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States;

As a group, what are they like now, educated and hard working:
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...s-positive-economic-and-educational-outcomes/

  • 95% were either working or in school
  • 46% in school, of which 83% are working, and 70% are pursuing a bachelor's degree or higher
  • 6% started their own business
  • 54% have purchased a car
  • 12% bought their first home, average cost $167,596.

The only down side for Canada is that of large groups of the 800,000 or so DACA folks, probably only Haitians are fluent in French.

So no, these people are not a mess for Canada, they are a gift.




 
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algonquin

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Fluent in French is never a downfall for Canada. Montreal has a large Haitian community.
 

skategal

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I didn't mean the DACA people themselves were a mess. I meant the whole political situation is a mess for the Liberals.

You have the conservatives and their supporters on one side not wanting refugees and the NDP and their supporters on the other side wanting them to come in and the Liberals in the centre saying "What do we do now?"

I agree that Canada should take the DACA people. It won't be easy processing that many people though when you think about the massive effort that went into processing 25000 Syrian refugees.

I don't mind the processing either (it puts Canadians to work, right?) just talking about the logistics of it.
 

skategal

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I got a D. :rofl:

But I'm not surprised at all.

Where and when I grew up we were only one generation removed from not being Canadian.

So not a huge emphasis in our culture to learn about it. We learned much more provincial history and world history. :saint:

I'm sure things are different now though....
 

algonquin

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Considering the Trump fiasco, I doubt that Doug Ford will go far. Besides, he doesn't have that elusive charm that his brother had. I think that Doug rubs people the wrong way. I don't fellow Toronto news as closely since we moved, but it seems to me that John Tory is doing a decent job.
 

algonquin

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Is he planning to run for a federal seat before the next election? Awhile ago, he said that he won't.
 

Buzz

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Not anytime soon but perhaps sometime in the distant future. He seems to want to focus on party business.
 

Domshabfan

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Jot the Dot Dot

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Yet, the guy can't say he condemns the guy still worships a guy who is mastermind behind the Air India bombing. I have no Idea why Canadian Sikh keep on supporting a Khalistan within India, a country most haven't even seen.
He also praised Fidel Castro in a tweet. Just one more leftist willing to overlook a murderous dictator so long as he's Communist.
 

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