#Canada150 (Canadian politics and related issues)

Desperado

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I wish the Election wouldn’t have been called so soon. I just don’t have the bandwidth for the polluting, bad for the environment signs, the constant family MAN messaging, the 24/7 reporting, the whole sh*tshow which costs so much $$$.

I find Singh to be a weak leader, in it for popularity more than creating an inspiring and viable platform and working to get his party in power. I will never vote CPC due to its right wing ideals and toxic masculinity. And O’Toole is a joke to me. He could’ve rallied people together, but is instead so blinded by JT hate that he just presents an image of a mean fratboy.

I miss the Progressive Conservatives like Joe Clark and Kim Campbell.

I have great Liberal and NDP MP choices in my riding and will see how the wind turns.

Trudeau annoys me to know end and I wish it was Freeland’s turn, but I will do what needs to be done.
 

skategal

Bunny mama
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I wouldn’t care about the election so much if I didn’t work in an area impacted by it where I’m going to have to hear about it every day for the next 36 days.

Arrrrrghhhhhhhh!

At least I am working from home this time so maybe the chatter won’t be quite as overwhelming.
 

Judy

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I wish the Election wouldn’t have been called so soon. I just don’t have the bandwidth for the polluting, bad for the environment signs, the constant family MAN messaging, the 24/7 reporting, the whole sh*tshow which costs so much $$$.

I find Singh to be a weak leader, in it for popularity more than creating an inspiring and viable platform and working to get his party in power. I will never vote CPC due to its right wing ideals and toxic masculinity. And O’Toole is a joke to me. He could’ve rallied people together, but is instead so blinded by JT hate that he just presents an image of a mean fratboy.

I miss the Progressive Conservatives like Joe Clark and Kim Campbell.

I have great Liberal and NDP MP choices in my riding and will see how the wind turns.

Trudeau annoys me to know end and I wish it was Freeland’s turn, but I will do what needs to be done.
Trudeau annoys me too. The other party leaders are weak. I don’t feel like an election either I doubt many do. I will vote but my member is extremely strong here and I know and respect her a lot. Just going to ignore the coverage for now. I’m not up to it.
 
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I have zero appetite for this election, but Trudeau would be an idiot if he didn’t call an election right now 🤷‍♀️ I’m in an area that is rabidly anti-Trudeau so I’m going to be limiting some people on social media for the next few weeks. I just can’t take the utter hate. Trudeau annoys me, I’d also much prefer Freeland, but I do not get the out and out gleeful hate for him. I have no energy for it. Nor the inevitable whining when the liberals likely win a majority :rolleyes: :blah:
 

Judy

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I have zero appetite for this election, but Trudeau would be an idiot if he didn’t call an election right now 🤷‍♀️ I’m in an area that is rabidly anti-Trudeau so I’m going to be limiting some people on social media for the next few weeks. I just can’t take the utter hate. Trudeau annoys me, I’d also much prefer Freeland, but I do not get the out and out gleeful hate for him. I have no energy for it. Nor the inevitable whining when the liberals likely win a majority :rolleyes: :blah:
Oh for sure. Personally I like/dislike politician but not to this level where it seems non stop and so hateful. Thankfully my family/friends aren't rabid about it lol.
 

overedge

Mayor of Carrot City
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My MP - parachute candidate from Central Canada - won by a very slim margin last time, and voted against the ban on conversion therapy. Their Facebook simply repeats talking points, and the newsletter to the constituents is basically "Trudeau = bad". Time for them to go.

The candidate who almost won is running again, so I hope things are different this time around.

I'm not impressed that the NDP ad template has the party ID like this: NDP Jagmeet Singh. Realistically Singh has very little chance of becoming PM, so why not emphasize that it's a team of qualified candidates, rather than a one-person show?
 

skatingguy

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Trudeau's handlers must be gambling that Delta is going to fade out soon, otherwise he is going to look really bad campaigning in the middle of a fourth wave.
It is a risk, though so far all the provincial elections have gone the way of the incumbent government. It could also continue to put a lot of pressure on the Conservatives if they continue soft peddle on the vaccine, and the use of vaccine passports & mandates.
 

skategal

Bunny mama
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Trudeau's handlers must be gambling that Delta is going to fade out soon, otherwise he is going to look really bad campaigning in the middle of a fourth wave.
The whole country has pretty muched dropped all the provincial public Heath restrictions except some provinces (not many) who still have indoor mask mandates.

That in itself should allow for lots of opportunities to campaign within the guidelines.

If Public Health is saying go ahead live a normal life, of course an election will be called.

His handlers are following public health guidelines just like the rest of us.

Whether or not public health guidelines should be dropped is another debate, but they can only go on the information they are being given.
 

overedge

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I would disagree that the country has pretty much dropped public health restrictions. Otherwise there would not be controversies over mandatory vaccination requirements for jobs. And AFAIK most provinces still have a "state of emergency" order in effect from the provincial health authority.

Since our local voting place is usually a school gym, I'm going to be voting by mail. There is no way I am going to a school with hundreds of unmasked people running around during a pandemic.
 

manhn

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I thought they were going to avoid schools? Haven’t followed the news. I will advance vote the first day of the election. I did that for the provincial election. Its close to me home and there were no people, just officials. They will be required to be vaccinated, right?
 

skategal

Bunny mama
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I would disagree that the country has pretty much dropped public health restrictions. Otherwise there would not be controversies over mandatory vaccination requirements for jobs. And AFAIK most provinces still have a "state of emergency" order in effect from the provincial health authority.

Since our local voting place is usually a school gym, I'm going to be voting by mail. There is no way I am going to a school with hundreds of unmasked people running around during a *********.
Masking and gathering limits are largely out the window in most of the country.

They just had Pride parade in Montreal, Calgary Stampede, and other large gatherings across the country.

School is slated to go ahead in many places with no or very few restrictions.

If those things are going ahead, we can have an election.
 

overedge

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Masking and gathering limits are largely out the window in most of the country.

They just had Pride parade in Montreal, Calgary Stampede, and other large gatherings across the country.

School is slated to go ahead in many places with no or very few restrictions.

If those things are going ahead, we can have an election.

There are still gathering limits (indoor and/or outdoor) in BC, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI, and Newfoundland & Labrador. Ontario just announced this morning that it's not moving ahead with the next stage of reopening.

School reopenings without many restrictions are going ahead now, but I suspect that things will look very different once school actually opens. More than a few universities are announcing requirements for masks on campus and/or mandatory vaccination for students living in residence.
 

overedge

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I thought they were going to avoid schools? Haven’t followed the news. I will advance vote the first day of the election. I did that for the provincial election. Its close to me home and there were no people, just officials. They will be required to be vaccinated, right?

Apparently poll workers are not going to be required to be vaccinated:
 

skategal

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There are still gathering limits (indoor and/or outdoor) in BC, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI, and Newfoundland & Labrador. Ontario just announced this morning that it's not moving ahead with the next stage of reopening.

School reopenings without many restrictions are going ahead now, but I suspect that things will look very different once school actually opens. More than a few universities are announcing requirements for masks on campus and/or mandatory vaccination for students living in residence.
The indoor and outdoor gathering limits are in the multiple hundreds in most provinces.

None of those very broad and not really restricting public health restrictions would prohibit campaigning or voting.

If I can go eat unmasked in a restaurant or drink unmasked in a bar, I can go vote quite safely.

In fact, I did vote this week. We do still have an indoor mask mandate here so I had to wear my mask.

It was the safest activity I did this week apart from being home in my house.

Even if a mask wouldn’t have been required, it would have been super low risk. Much less risk than eating in a restaurant or shopping maskless.
 

overedge

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The indoor and outdoor gathering limits are in the multiple hundreds in most provinces.
The limits in several provinces depend on the size of the venue. They're not fixed numbers. And quite honestly, just because a province has decided to lift or reduce limits doesn't mean the new limits are safe. Case numbers are going up, not down, in several provinces.
 

skategal

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The limits in several provinces depend on the size of the venue. They're not fixed numbers. And quite honestly, just because a province has decided to lift or reduce limits doesn't mean the new limits are safe. Case numbers are going up, not down, in several provinces.
Whether or not the limits mean it’s safe or not is a bit of a different debate.

But all the Medical Officers of Health in those provinces said we can go ahead and do these things and Dr. Theresa Tam, Head of Public Health Agency has said that an election can be held safely.

They are supposed to be the experts so I’m going to go with their opinions on this one. There is only 1 that I think is maybe not operating in good faith and I can’t wait to see their modeling released soon.

Plus, we have had elections in many provinces since the pandemic began.

All of those were safe elections with no outbreaks associated with them.
 

overedge

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I still think it's irresponsible to call an election when the pandemic has not been controlled, when poll workers will not be required to be vaccinated, and when a potential source of more outbreaks (K-12 and post-secondary reopenings) is about to happen.
 

Buzz

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I am getting worried. The PC made a killing in Nova Scotia and polls show they are close to the Liberals in Ontario. The PC does not support vaccine mandates or vaccine passports.
 

skategal

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I am getting worried. The PC made a killing in Nova Scotia and polls show they are close to the Liberals in Ontario. The PC does not support vaccine mandates or vaccine passports.
Yes the bad news is the vaccine passport likely won’t happen.

This guy says he’s Red Tory and hates Erin O’Toole and says his party isn’t associated with the Federal Conservatives. So at least there is that.

The Liberals were in power 11 years so unlikely to retain it and as much as I won’t be sad to see Rankin leave I kind of feel like this is the political equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face…. :shuffle:

Hopefully it will be more like PEI than Ontario.
 

pat c

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I think there will be a lot of mail in ballots. It worked fairly well last time. I wish there hadn't of been an election called at all. The west isn't going to go Liberal. BC? a split, Ont? a split. Que? Maybe Liberal and the maritimes? They're sick of elections. ;)

The first time when the liberals got in and they didn't go for election reform, that's going to come back to haunt them I think. I too really like Freeland but I"m getting that sinking feeling by the time they go for her as leader of the Libs, she'll end up like Kim Campbell.

Doom and gloom I know. I have zero use for the tool, but it seems like the PC's have gone into rwnj territory lately. Singh? Nope, he doesn't inspire confidence.
 

skategal

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So far the most entertaining thing that happened has been Erin O’Toole with the games and toys behind him promoting GST free December. :lol:

That’s an image I won’t soon forget. A throwback to the Harper cash register ploy. :lol:

The funniest gallows humour comment I heard so far is from DH who deadpanned “The Conservatives don’t want to mandate vaccines for the Public Service because they would rather the Public Service was all dead of CV.” :lol::eek:
 

Mozart

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So far the most entertaining thing that happened has been Erin O’Toole with the games and toys behind him promoting GST free December. :lol:

That’s an image I won’t soon forget. A throwback to the Harper cash register ploy. :lol:

The funniest gallows humour comment I heard so far is from DH who deadpanned “The Conservatives don’t want to mandate vaccines for the Public Service because they would rather the Public Service was all dead of CV.” :lol::eek:
The most entertaining (in a cringy way) thing was the CPC willy Wonka attack ad that looked like it was made by a 8 year old. Good thing for them it got pulled because of copyright infringement. Also the photoshopped photo on the front of the campaign booklet going for the sexy look.

I was shocked to learn (thanks the beaverton) that Erin is 2 years younger than Trudeau
 

Judy

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I think there will be a lot of mail in ballots. It worked fairly well last time. I wish there hadn't of been an election called at all. The west isn't going to go Liberal. BC? a split, Ont? a split. Que? Maybe Liberal and the maritimes? They're sick of elections. ;)

The first time when the liberals got in and they didn't go for election reform, that's going to come back to haunt them I think. I too really like Freeland but I"m getting that sinking feeling by the time they go for her as leader of the Libs, she'll end up like Kim Campbell.

Doom and gloom I know. I have zero use for the tool, but it seems like the PC's have gone into rwnj territory lately. Singh? Nope, he doesn't inspire confidence.
I think it will be another minority govt. We'll see.

We are still masking and have restrictions in Ottawa. I am comfortable with that being fully vaccinated.
 
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The most entertaining (in a cringy way) thing was the CPC willy Wonka attack ad that looked like it was made by a 8 year old. Good thing for them it got pulled because of copyright infringement. Also the photoshopped photo on the front of the campaign booklet going for the sexy look.

I was shocked to learn (thanks the beaverton) that Erin is 2 years younger than Trudeau
O’Toole was asked about the ad in an interview, tried not to answer the question of whether he approved the ad and then said he wouldn’t break the law. While the ad that is now removed for copyright infringement played in the background :lol:

I’m not surprised they put out such a dumb ad. They also thought it was smart to put out a picture of O’Toole looking gleeful in front of a port a potty 🤷‍♀️

The GST holiday is the dumbest idea I’ve ever seen. Anyone that’s worked in retail knows how much of a hassle things like changing taxes is in a POS system, and it costs us money! We and I assume most businesses need IT guys to change it. It also really doesn’t save much for a family like ours. Based on last years Christmas spending no GST would save me around $30 :rolleyes:
 

pat c

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I think it will be another minority govt. We'll see.

We are still masking and have restrictions in Ottawa. I am comfortable with that being fully vaccinated.

Out west, it's a rodeo. ;) Our numbers are going up. I'd be surprised if it wasn't a minority govt.

The GST holiday is the dumbest idea I’ve ever seen. Anyone that’s worked in retail knows how much of a hassle things like changing taxes is in a POS system, and it costs us money! We and I assume most businesses need IT guys to change it. It also really doesn’t save much for a family like ours. Based on last years Christmas spending no GST would save me around $30 :rolleyes:
I have no words for the GST stupidity. It will help no one except for big companies, and I think a lot of them are doing ok.
 

Dragonlady

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I wish the Election wouldn’t have been called so soon. I just don’t have the bandwidth for the polluting, bad for the environment signs, the constant family MAN messaging, the 24/7 reporting, the whole sh*tshow which costs so much $$$.

I find Singh to be a weak leader, in it for popularity more than creating an inspiring and viable platform and working to get his party in power. I will never vote CPC due to its right wing ideals and toxic masculinity. And O’Toole is a joke to me. He could’ve rallied people together, but is instead so blinded by JT hate that he just presents an image of a mean fratboy.

I miss the Progressive Conservatives like Joe Clark and Kim Campbell.

I have great Liberal and NDP MP choices in my riding and will see how the wind turns.

Trudeau annoys me to know end and I wish it was Freeland’s turn, but I will do what needs to be done.

Trudeau has really managed the whole covid19 fight brilliantly. We always had good supplies of PPE. Testing ramped up quickly and well, and the public was kept well informed. But most of all, it's embarrassing how much vaccine we have. We're swimming in it. God bless everyone who has gotten us to herd immunity, in most places, so quickly, and with so little fuss.

But Trudeau keeps tripping over ethics issues that a first year high school student would know better than to do.

Note to Conservatives: If all you can do is tear the other guy down, it doesn't say much for your platform. I want to know why I should vote for YOU, not why I shouldn't vote for Trudeau. The guy you ran last time defrauded your party of nearly $1 million, which doesn't say much for your ability to pick a good Prime Minister for Canada. I shudder to think of what would have happened to us with Andrew Scheer as Prime Minister through the covid epidemic.

So stop trashing Trudeau and start selling me on what Conservatives have to offer, other than they're not Trudeau, because that's not enough. I want competent governance, not populist rhetoric.
 

Andora

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All this bemoaning the lack of a real PC party is tiresome. Conservative voters have the party they want. If they wanted even a Brian Mulroney back, it would happen, but they do not. They're as cruel as their US Republican-voting counterparts. There's not one single current conservative politician in this entire country who is worth their salt, and I say that living in MPP Christine Elliott's riding. She's such a disappointment. All we can hope is that Bernier's crazypants party continues to split the vote from the CPC, but we know conservatives care more about power and winning than actual the governing of Canada. They'll no doubt find a way to keep the ignorant far-right happy and maintain the status quo. And we'll forever be trying to keep that level of insane governance at bay in every election, while the centre/left vote remains split.

None of the current parties server Canadians. None of them. Don't @ me about the NDP - they've been the cult of personality since Jack Layton with little substance because they KNOW they'll never get in power. It's a privileged position they get to take as antagonists, tbh. If my riding isn't close, I don't plan to vote for any of the top 4 parties. I'd not vote at all if my ethics could stand it.

I come back to the words from a financial advisor who spoke to a local women's group ahead of the 2019 election: "None of them will ever balance the budget. They all lie about it. It's pointless to consider voting based on fiscal responsibility, because none of them have it. Vote for who will spend according to your values."

And a big ol' yikes to anyone voting along conservative values in this day in age, after they've continually shown us who they are.

So stop trashing Trudeau and start selling me on what Conservatives have to offer, other than they're not Trudeau, because that's not enough. I want competent governance, not populist rhetoric.

I know that you know the answer to this question. ;) Conservatives have NOTHING to offer.
 

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