#Canada150 (Canadian politics and related issues)

Buzz

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There were fireworks here and images on the tele of all the garbage people left behind on the beaches.
 

puglover

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We are shut down so tight in Manitoba. We usually spend Victoria Day at the lake and people set fireworks over the water but we stayed in the city and our son and his family went out as the regulations are no more than one household together. Our little 3 year old grandson was so sad Nana and Papa were not there.
 

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Ya well it gets worse. He’s issued a statement saying he is taking a leave to get.help.

the first yah ok people make mistakes ... ummm the 2nd? Yah no.

 

Sylvia

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The discovery shouldn’t be shocking but it is horrific. Residential school survivors know about mass graves like the one just uncovered. It’s far from the last. The TRC has done a lot of good work putting together a list of specific things we can do to move forward with reconciliation. All levels of government, all political stripes of government have failed multiple generations of Indigenous children and we can’t keep failing them. I encourage all Canadians to write to their politicians at all levels. Make sure they know that you care about reconciliation. There’s a path forward but there also has to be political will. We can’t mourn 215 kids, claim every child matters, then bitch whenever money is spent on programs that benefit indigenous communities. Or bitch when the many schools and streets that bear the names of those that have perpetrated abuse and worse in residential schools are changed to something honouring indigenous culture. That one seems to be particularly triggering for white people in my city :rolleyes: Canada has a painful reckoning ahead of itself but I am encouraged that this seems to be kicking people in gear a bit. You can’t just ignore genocide indefinitely :shuffle:
 

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What did the children die from? Horrible as residential schools were, I find it hard to believe that authorites would murder children. Most likely they died of neglect - which itself is a kind of murder.
 
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marbri

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What did the children die from? Horrible as residential schools were, I find it hard to believe that authorites would murder children. Most likely they died of neglect - which itself is a kind of murder.
They physically, mentally and sexually abused them. Kept them in cramped quarters with inadequate healthcare so diseases like TB could ravage them. Didn't send the dead bodies back to their parents to bury because of the expense so if they notified them it was to Indian agents that "Elsie" was dead but many many parents never knew what happened to their children. Didn't let parents take their children home and out of the schools. Kids who tried to run away back to their families froze to death.

All because Christian religions in Canada and the Canadian government felt they needed to convert these kids and civilise them (irony alert).

So does it really matter if 40% died of TB, 10% from physical abuse, 2% froze to death running away etc.... When some schools had a death rate as high as 1 in 20 and you don't shut them down and stop doing what you are doing to generations of native people then it's genocide because you don't care enough about them, don't view them as human enough or their parents as human enough to pop them on a train for a proper burial opting instead to toss them in an unmarked grave barely acknowledging their passing as more than a number (if they did so at all) JUST because you want to beat the savage out of them and kill native culture it's a bit more serious then neglect.

eta... A link to an article I just read with actions people can take (touching on what made in canada posted). I also think a nationwide revamping of history taught to children (maybe this is already happening?) needs to take place. The true history needs to be taught in the same way we learn of slavery and the Holocaust.


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skategal

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I’ve spent most of my career working with Indigenous communities. It’s not a surprise to me but it is horrific.

In some ways I felt a sense of relief that they are finally found. And yes, this is just the first of many sites like this.

Many times I feel like packing it in and doing something else for my work. It can be very mentally hard.

The generational trauma from Residential schools is very real and it’s reach is very misunderstood and discounted by Society.

I just hope I am making a small difference for a better future and keep moving forward.
 

pat c

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The generational trauma from Residential schools is very real and it’s reach is very misunderstood and discounted by Society.

I just hope I am making a small difference for a better future and keep moving forward.
You are, but you are only one person, it takes all of us.


If you can't read it, or don't want to follow the link, there were 139 residential schools in Canada. Not all of them were bad. A relative (inlaw) was sent to a residential school and her experiences were fine. I'm not saying that they were a good thing. They weren't.
 

Japanfan

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If you can't read it, or don't want to follow the link, there were 139 residential schools in Canada. Not all of them were bad. A relative (inlaw) was sent to a residential school and her experiences were fine. I'm not saying that they were a good thing. They weren't.

Wouldn't it be better to say that experiences were better than others be more accurate? Or not so terrible as others? For example, no sexual or physical abuse.

But all children in residential schools were torn from their families and communities.

I will also note that I had an Indigenous client once (I'm an editor) who attended a residential school, and her grammar was so outstanding. She said the nuns just drummed it into her.
 
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pat c

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Wouldn't it be better to that experiences were better than others be more accurate? Or not so terrible as others? For example, no sexual or physical abuse.

But all children in residential schools were torn from their families and communities.
Sure we could. But the bottom line is that no matter what happened or not, residential schools shouldn't have been a thing.
 

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overedge

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The community FB page that I belong to is having a discussion (and I use that term very loosely) about whether the City's Canada Day events should be cancelled, out of respect for the deaths of hundreds of aboriginal children that have been revealed over the past few weeks. I am seriously :eek: at some of the ignorant racist comments, and this is a community that didn't even have a residential school.....
 

pat c

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The community FB page that I belong to is having a discussion (and I use that term very loosely) about whether the City's Canada Day events should be cancelled, out of respect for the deaths of hundreds of aboriginal children that have been revealed over the past few weeks. I am seriously :eek: at some of the ignorant racist comments, and this is a community that didn't even have a residential school.....

It doesn't matter if there wasn't. There wasn't a residential school where I live and grew up. There isn't one person in my area that can say they've had any ongoing negative experiences with indigenous people. But some people certainly have the racist pov down cold.

The acknowledgement of this awful, awful occurrence has to be ongoing. We have to give it more than lip service, a change of attitude has to happen. I won't be alive to really see a change, cuz it's going to take a long, long time.
 

DFJ

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I see that Justin Trudeau wants the Pope on Canadian soil to apologize to all First Nations for the atrocities committed. I hope he's not holding his breath.
 
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I see that Justin Trudeau wants the Pope on Canadian soil to apologize to all First Nations for the atrocities committed. I hope he's not holding his breath.
It’s convenient for Trudeau if people direct their anger towards the Catholic Church instead of the federal government going into an election. It’s just politics :shuffle:

I do think the Catholic Church deserves a lot of anger for their role in residential schools, and should be held accountable in some way, I just get frustrated with Trudeau talking up things like reconciliation and then nothing actually happens besides him getting some favourable sound bites.
 

skatingguy

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I've come to the conclusion that Trudeau is teflon, like Reagan. Nothing sticks to him, even when its warranted.
All of the issues that have been front in centre for the past few years do not really favour the Conservatives:

********* - government intervention - deficit spending - they campaigned on balanced budgets in the previous two elections & lost
Racial issues - Conservatives have failed to condemn Islamophobia, or acknowledge systemic racism.
Sexual Abuse in the Military & RCMP - many of these stories started to percolate during the Harper government but they didn't want to address the issue
Reconciliation with Indigenous People - the Conservatives opposed the Truth & Reconciliation commission, and former Conservative Senator Lynn Beyak's words still echo in my head
Climate Change - Conservatives have opposed the carbon tax, and really aren't seen as taking the issue seriously

The Liberals are terrible on all these issues, but they have made small movements on all of them & they say the right things, and the Conservative's positions on these issues are on the wrong side of public opinion across the board.
 
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skategal

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Yes at least the Liberals are talking about Indigenous reconciliation. That’s a first in Canada.

Plus Trudeau has put the money where his mouth is. There have been unprecedented funding increases to ISC and CIRNAC during his time in office (two departments chronically underfunded and living in obscurity during the Harper years.)

Still not enough funding but it’s much better than before.
 

overedge

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@pat c I meant that I thought there might be better knowledge of residential schools and their impact in communities where a residential school had been operating. The First Nation in our community is so small that I think a lot of people don't even know it's there. But somehow according to this FB group they take all our tax dollars and are ungrateful for it, want to cancel Canada Day, expect special treatment, etc etc etc :(
 

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There was a residential school just half an hour west of me, Mount Elgin, on the Chippewas of the Thames reserve. It was run for 100 years by the Methodist and then the United Church. It closed in the late 40’s and there is nothing left of the school itself anymore. I’ve only recently heard about it.
 

pat c

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@pat c I meant that I thought there might be better knowledge of residential schools and their impact in communities where a residential school had been operating. The First Nation in our community is so small that I think a lot of people don't even know it's there. But somehow according to this FB group they take all our tax dollars and are ungrateful for it, want to cancel Canada Day, expect special treatment, etc etc etc :(

That has been the surprising part hasn't it? So many didn't know, didn't understand. I knew as I worked for the govt and indigenous people were part of it. It broke my heart, it still does.

I tire of the my tax dollar thing. We have a lot that travel across the border for cheap beer etc. But they're the first ones to run for health care, the tax incentives to do with *********, etc. If you mind so much about where your taxes go etc, don't be the first one in line for the freebies. Drives me crazy.
 

eusebius

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There was a residential school just half an hour west of me, Mount Elgin, on the Chippewas of the Thames reserve. It was run for 100 years by the Methodist and then the United Church. It closed in the late 40’s and there is nothing left of the school itself anymore. I’ve only recently heard about it.
The closest one to me is, I believe, the Mohawk Institute Residential School in Brantford. There are strong calls for an investigation of the grounds and I expect we will see some results fairly soon ... https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-ne...f-former-mohawk-institute-residential-school/
 

overedge

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Another one :(

I've been to this place - it's a little unusual in that several First Nations got together and bought the old residential school building, which they now run as a hotel and a casino. There's lots of acknowledgements in the building and around it of what it used to be, but I still feel very uncomfortable there and don't think I would be able to stay overnight.
 

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