#Canada150 (Canadian politics and related issues)

Buzz

Socialist Canada
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I absolutely refuse to watch the local news station or the headlines in the newspapers this morning. I don't drink but on mornings like this I wish I did. :(
 

Andora

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To me, this indicates a few things - none of which I'm married to and could be/would happy to be wrong about...

- The NDP is another generation or three away from being elected. Too many people blame them for everything Rae had to handle during the Made In Canada recession. Right or wrong, too many boomers have very long memories.

- Wynne let her party down. She should have seen the writing on the wall and stepped down some time ago, etc. But I find this happens to the Liberal party (and others, I'm sure). They get stagnant. They need to clean house. It's an opportunity, but I'm not hopeful they'll actually change anything.

- The left & centre-left have got to amalgamate in some way, shape or form, or at least learn to work together. The Liberals and NDP should have, at some point, come to an understanding against Ford. This morning, all I see on social media are friends yelling at Liberal or Green Party supporters for letting Ford win. Eating each other alive is not going to fix anything.

- People will believe what they want, and a lot of Ontarians are now as bad as the deplorables down south with the fingers in ear. I don't even know where to start to fix that, but I think people feel squeezed and powerless. Some retreat to what's simple and sounds ideal. It's a real shame.

This whole election is infuriating. The PCs had multiple great female candidates who WEREN'T Doug, but noooooo.... Sexism is alive and well in Ontario...
 

Jenny

From the Bloc
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Voter turnout was the highest since the 1990s, so I guess that's one good thing. But then again, it means I live among about 2.3 million people who think that Doug Ford should lead our government. This is so depressing, I can't even.
 

skategal

Bunny mama
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My only shred of hope is that maybe voters assume that Doug Ford will be ousted rather quickly and someone more sensible will take over.

I feel this could be overly optimistic of me though.... :(
 

JasperBoy

Stayin inside
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My only shred of hope is that maybe voters assume that Doug Ford will be ousted rather quickly and someone more sensible will take over.

I feel this could be overly optimistic of me though.... :(
Not a chance. No party would oust a leader who won with a majority. He's their hero.
 

Jenny

From the Bloc
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My only shred of hope is that maybe voters assume that Doug Ford will be ousted rather quickly and someone more sensible will take over.

I feel this could be overly optimistic of me though.... :(

A lot of people thought that in November 2016, and yet here we are.
 
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I'm getting increasingly worried about the next federal election. It was easy for Canadians to be a little smug with the rise of Trump but I fear he's legitimized and emboldened a portion of the population that has a lot of fears. I see more and more people on my social media shrieking about things like immigration and sharing false information that confirms their fears and it concerns me.
 

Jenny

From the Bloc
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I hear that. I've seen opinion that once Ontario voters live through a year of Ford, then the Liberals will look that much better, but I don't know if that's true. We live in a time where are the old models are irrelevant, nothing is certain, and anything can happen.
 

skategal

Bunny mama
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I'm getting increasingly worried about the next federal election. It was easy for Canadians to be a little smug with the rise of Trump but I fear he's legitimized and emboldened a portion of the population that has a lot of fears. I see more and more people on my social media shrieking about things like immigration and sharing false information that confirms their fears and it concerns me.

If we can mobilize the youth and Indigenous people to get out the vote, the conservatives won't have a chance.
 

Desperado

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Ontarian hiding under the covers here.

I think there's a lot of blame to go around for this result.
  1. Yes, Wynne could've resigned sooner, but unless the party chose the best candidate who ever lived, voters were going to throw the Liberals out, period.
  2. Andrea Horwath could also have resigned before the election. This is her third, and with liberal minded people just starved to vote for someone other than Wynne and Ford, she lost. And don't get me started about her partisan negative comments about how wrong Trudeau and Wynne were in dealing with Trump and his tariffs and that she would've done better. Please.
  3. The PC got rid of Patrick Brown only to move to Doug Ford. WTF?! I was not against voting for Christine Elliott or Caroline Mulroney, but clearly, their goal was to get another old white man in.
  4. The indiscriminate voters who voted for bloated blondie, and...
  5. Those who didn't even bother voting (a 58% turnout is nothing to be proud of).
A lot of blame...
 

Japanfan

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Just got the news now on this thread. WTF!!! I'm really struggling with Ontario's choice. :(

I'm getting increasingly worried about the next federal election. It was easy for Canadians to be a little smug with the rise of Trump but I fear he's legitimized and emboldened a portion of the population that has a lot of fears. I see more and more people on my social media shrieking about things like immigration and sharing false information that confirms their fears and it concerns me.

That's a scary thought, Made in Canada.
 

victorskid

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A very disappointing/troubling/scary time for those of us living in Ontario. It was obvious from the polls that "change" was in the wind. My thinking was that the best case scenario would be a minority government that would give us some checks and balances. A strong PC majority for a leader who invoked the "ghost" of his thoroughly rotten brother in his winning diatribe was unthinkable. I thought I would be ill!!!

Hard times ahead :(
 

pat c

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I'm getting increasingly worried about the next federal election. It was easy for Canadians to be a little smug with the rise of Trump but I fear he's legitimized and emboldened a portion of the population that has a lot of fears. I see more and more people on my social media shrieking about things like immigration and sharing false information that confirms their fears and it concerns me.

Yes my fb is like that too. Unfortunately people do not take advantage of the information provided by reputable sources. I've combated the misinformation when I find it. ie we pay refugees more than we do senior citizens, etc etc. It's all you can do. They probably won't believe it, but it does shut them up. I also add, check your sources, check your sources, Check Your Sources.
 

KatieC

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Generally Ontario and Canada switch every few years. Would be highly unusual to have the same party in power in both. Am pleased with the success of the technology in this election.
 

binbinwinwin

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A line from this satirical Op-Ed really stuck out to me:

You don’t want things to be better. You want the moral high ground.

I feel like this is how a lot of Trump/Ford voters are, it didn't matter that Doug Ford had a mess of a platform and 90% of his vocabulary was "folks folks folks," they elected him anyway.

That being said, I'm pretty worried about what this will mean for healthcare, I may need surgery for something in a bit and if there are cuts coming it will really affect me and my day to day life.
 

Jenny

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  1. Andrea Horwath could also have resigned before the election. This is her third, and with liberal minded people just starved to vote for someone other than Wynne and Ford, she lost. And don't get me started about her partisan negative comments about how wrong Trudeau and Wynne were in dealing with Trump and his tariffs and that she would've done better. Please.
That really, really pissed me off, and made her sound really, really stupid. Any idiot knows that a bipartisan team has been working like crazy on this since before Trump was even elected, and that there's exactly one person to blame for anything and everything in the mess that is international trade right now.
 
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skategal

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That really, really pissed me off, and made her sound really, really stupid. Any idiot knows that a bipartisan team has been working like crazy on this since before Trump was even elected, and that there's exactly one person to blame for anything and everything in the mess that is international trade right now.

Yes and it's not like it's only a Canada - US problem.

It's a "Trump against every US trading partner" problem.
 

MamaS

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Generally Ontario and Canada switch every few years. Would be highly unusual to have the same party in power in both. Am pleased with the success of the technology in this election.
I had a bad experience with the new system. Our vote was marked with a black sharpie marker. I put the voting page back in the folder and took it to the girl at the machine. She checked it was valid, turned it over and put it into the machine. It didn’t get sucked in right away but she pulled the cardboard away anyway. The sharpie had bled through the paper so you could clearly see my X. Had she any wits about her she could easily figure out who I voted for based on the location of the X on the page. I didn’t know the girl but I could tell she was feeling awkward about it as she tried three times to get the paper to feed into the machine before it was finally sucked in. Just thought you should know, Kate
 

KatieC

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I had a bad experience with the new system. Our vote was marked with a black sharpie marker. I put the voting page back in the folder and took it to the girl at the machine. She checked it was valid, turned it over and put it into the machine. It didn’t get sucked in right away but she pulled the cardboard away anyway. The sharpie had bled through the paper so you could clearly see my X. Had she any wits about her she could easily figure out who I voted for based on the location of the X on the page. I didn’t know the girl but I could tell she was feeling awkward about it as she tried three times to get the paper to feed into the machine before it was finally sucked in. Just thought you should know, Kate
I'm sorry you had that experience @MamaS , the Tabulator Deputy Returning Officers had a five hour training class followed by a 2 hour test of the machine. I know they had to practise a dozen or so times, but obviously that wasn't quite sufficient in all cases. They use the same machines in municipal elections around here, I don't know how long their training is.
 

WildRose

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Every Conservative leader in Canada Federal and Provincial, has come out in support of our Prime Minister against Trump’s attacks. (Alberta conservative leader Jason Kenney, has been extremely quick to back him, often within minutes of one of Trump’s attack Tweets). As many of you know, former PM Brian Mulroney has been advising from the beginning and today Stephen Harper appeared on Fox and argued Canada’s case on trade.
And for those of you who had wondered :

Doug Ford (‪@fordnation‬)
2018-06-10, 12:35 PM
We will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Prime Minister and the people of Canada. My number one goal is to protect jobs in Ontario, starting with my unwavering support for our steel and aluminum workers.”

When there is a crisis, Canada always stands together and supports our Prime Minister. We don’t always agree on everything the rest of the time, but that makes for a healthy democracy. The best way to avoid going the way the US has, is to respect each other’s differences and listen to each other. Canadian Conservatives are not Trump supporters, racists and neo Nazis. And we aren’t very happy with most Republicans these days either. Please remember that Trump isn’t a conservative, he’s a fascist who wants to be a Dictator.

For the record, I wasn’t happy that Ford won the nomination in Ontario and I doubt that most Ontario PCs were either. Now that he’s won the election he will be on a strong learning curve and need good people around him which I understand he has. Ontario did need a change. Badly. Govts get old and worn out and corrupted and need a time out. Voters sense when that happens and go into ‘throw the bums out’ mode which means they will vote for whoever they think will accomplish that.
 

MamaS

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I'm sorry you had that experience @MamaS , the Tabulator Deputy Returning Officers had a five hour training class followed by a 2 hour test of the machine. I know they had to practise a dozen or so times, but obviously that wasn't quite sufficient in all cases. They use the same machines in municipal elections around here, I don't know how long their training is.
At the end of the day, because I didn’t know the girl, I wasn’t a big deal. But in a small community where I knew most of the people in the other positions, it could have been worse. Won’t stop me from voting again though!!
 

Winnipeg

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I thought Trump`s reaction to Trudeau`s speech or press release was out of nowhere and unsubstantiated but then Trump has a very thin skin about anything that may offend him :drama::drama: and yet is quick to call others meek and weak if they so much as say`or suggest anything that Trump says may be challenged.

Definitely a pot calling the kettle black thing going on here.

Trump probably made the statement about being offended and stabbed in the back so that all discussion could be moved away from the conference (which he did not host) and become all about Trump and his alleged maltreatment :drama::drama:.

I actually thought Trump's behaviour was disrespectful to the other world leaders. Could it be deemed Arrogant, immature, both?

One guy I heard on the news actually coined the phrase " special place in hell for people who say things like Trudeau did..........I mean, really????? :rolleyes: :drama::drama::drama:
 

Twilight1

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Ya the American trumpateers are full of colourful language about Trudeau daring to stand up for Canada. :lol::lol:
 

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