Boris Johnson Admitted To Hospital With C-*****

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ETA: Sorry for starting several sentences with And. I'm aware that is bad grammar.
Don't worry, like a lot of grammar "rules," it turns out this isn't a real one either. :D

Rather than saying "I got caught, I'm sorry, and I won't do it again," he is saying "I'm sorry that I got caught and won't do it again."
I assume by "won't do it again," he means won't get caught again.
 

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I probably know the answer to this, but is Cummings really going to be let away with the line that the media are out to get him on this because of Brexit?
 

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I probably know the answer to this, but is Cummings really going to be let away with the line that the media are out to get him on this because of Brexit?
At the moment, The Daily Mail is leading the media outrage against him, so probably not.
 

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The Daily Mail begins piling it on. I read these things so that you don't have to. :saint:

Dominic Cummings sounded practically human at first. But as the garden grilling wore on, my goodwill fizzled out like damp charcoal
'I know that British people hate the idea of unfairness,' he said today.

That's right, Dominic. We do. You made your own interpretation of the rules, you don't regret what you did – and for now you are just going to have to contend with the unceasing fury you have unleashed. With respect.

Dominic Cummings 'dressed like a GP' and his 'weak vocal tone while sitting forward in chair hinted at humility' but his 'discomfort increased at mention of Barnard Castle', says body language expert JUDI JAMES
'His knees were splayed in a suggestion of confidence but his feet were crossed at the ankle and when he did uncross them his feet were pushed backward and wound around the legs of the chair to suggest discomfort,' Judi added. 'At one point one leg even seemed to be trying to make an early exit.'

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Desperate Dominic Cummings should have come clean sooner
Even though I’m fully behind Cummings’s ambitious agenda of severing all links with the EU by the end of this year and draining the fetid, suffocating civil service swamp, no one is irreplaceable.

If the Queen could summon up the fortitude to shoot her favourite son, Prince Andrew, when he became an intolerable embarrassment, then there was nothing to prevent Boris dispensing with Dom.

'You will have to make up your own minds': Boris Johnson stands by Dominic Cummings explanation that he was just 'doing the best for his family' when he drove 260 miles with . . . symptoms to get childcare for his son, 4, at his parents' farm
One cabinet minister told The Times: 'He [Mr Johnson] has sacrificed his own credibility to save Dominic Cummings. He is burning away his personal brand, his trust, to save Dom. Dom needs to go.'

One ministerial source said the affair risked torpedoing public trust in the government at a time of national crisis, saying: 'You can lose popularity, you cannot lose trust.' ....

One senior minister branded Mr Cummings an 'arrogant idiot', adding: 'The fact that he is still there just shows how dysfunctional No 10 is. I am being bombarded with emails from c
onstituents who are angry that while they have been making these incredible sacrifices and not seeing family, he's just done whatever he wants. It is breathtaking that the PM is defending him.'
It was clear Dominic Cummings had come to snarl not schmooze: HENRY DEEDES witnesses a political tragedy in two parts
Best grilling came from Channel 4’s Gary Gibbon who suggested members of the public would be staggered by Cummings’ refusal to acknowledge he’d broken any of the rules.

Cummings was non-plussed. Bovvered. Wrapping things up, he bade journalists goodbye, urging them all to take care. Another barefaced whopper of course

DOMINIC SANDBROOK: If Boris Johnson can't do without Dominic Cummings then truly there is a void at the heart of this Government
Mr Cummings’s entire persona has been based on his contempt for the pieties of the Westminster village.

But in politics, as in Greek tragedy, an individual’s greatest strength often proves their greatest weakness.

His ostentatious scorn for conventional wisdom served him well last autumn, when most voters were sick of the parliamentary wrangling.

But it was disastrously misjudged at the height of a [you-know-what], when following rules is literally a matter of life and death.

This is what Johnson's supporters have to say. His critics tend to be harsher in their judgments.

:watch:
 

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@Vagabond

For a man who thinks he is so in touch with the mood of the people, he badly misjudged how people would react to his interview!
A sorry and an apology was required by the people.
 

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For a man who thinks he is so in touch with the mood of the people, he badly misjudged how people would react to his interview!
A sorry and an apology was required by the people.

Agreed. The lack of an apology is a huge issue IMO and I don't know anyone who was impressed with that press conference. And still the cabinet are defending him - again with very similar comments. And defending him driving 30 miles to test his eyesight - unbelievable.

And the whole child care issue being an exemption to the rules was never explained to anyone in the general populace and apparently is in the small print of the huge sets of documentation the government churned out. I personally know someone who struggled through self isolation when both parents had symptoms of CV and had a child of 3. They are furious that they now know that they could have actually gone to their sisters who had a separate annex in her house that they could have self isolated in. As it was they relied on friends and neighbours to provide food and essential.
 

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And the whole child care issue being an exemption to the rules was never explained to anyone in the general populace and apparently is in the small print of the huge sets of documentation the government churned out.

The child care stuff in the small print was aimed at people who found themselves in an abusive situation and needed to flee for fear of their lives. It does intended for Cummings situation.

The lawyers have worked overtime to concoct this bag of nonsense.
If they'd have had any sense, they'd have got him to show humility to get the public on his side, something along the lines of,
with respect to the trip to Barnard castle, this was an extreme lack of judgement on my part, for which I am truly sorry and profusely apologize. We were a bit worried about my being up to a very long drive back to London the next day, so decided to take a test drive to see how I felt. Then given it was my wife's birthday, we got a bit carried away and decided to make it a trip to the castle, which I can now see was a big lapse in judgement.
However, apart from this one lapse of judgement, I believe that I acted responsibly.


By showing some humility, he might have got the people to accept the rest, but concocting stories about eye problems, was a typical liars trait of adding too much detail.
 

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The lawyers have worked overtime to concoct this bag of nonsense.
If they'd have had any sense, they'd have got him to show humility to get the public on his side
Lawyers cannot always dissuade the proud from acts of hubris.

In this instance, though, the question is not so much why Cummings has not apologized but why Johnson is letting him stay on.

Meanwhile, the Minister for Scotland, has resigned in protest.


ETA: Idiomatic usages of "Barnard Castle" :COP:

How appropriate!
 
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Yawn.


Press briefing in September:
We've found a cure, we have treatment and a vaccine.

Questions from the press:
So, why did Dominic Cummings go to Durham in March?
 

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Not forgetting that the first thing he did when he got back to London was edit his blog to say that he had "warned" of an epidemic for years... the lies continue.

The government cannot live this down - we all deserve so so much better than this.

47,000 deaths and so many of these because they failed to act early enough. If you can't be bothered with the role of PM, don't put yourself up for it. If you can't be PM without a failed advisor, then you are not good enough to do the job. I despair.
 
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As much I hate Cummings, but the outrage is led by Alister Campbell, then I would rather not take part. The man And his ex-boss is responsible for death for far more people than any BB has done so far.
 

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As much I hate Cummings, but the outrage is led by Alister Campbell, then I would rather not take part. The man And his ex-boss is responsible for death for far more people than any BB has done so far.

I don't disagree with you re:illegal wars BUT what I will say is that this is not being led by Alastair Campbell - he just loves a TV appearance. Not only that, but the last decade of Tory rule and the cuts that go with it have led to the unnecessary deaths of millions.

We should always hold our governments to account, they are there to serve us. Democracy does not stop at the ballot box.
 

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Even Michael Gove couldn't actually go through with the lie he was going to tell to try to back Dominic Cummings: https://metro.co.uk/video/michael-gove-says-occasions-driven-test-eyesight-2179184/

The rules were clear, everyone else in a high profile position who has breached them has had to resign. Neil Ferguson had to resign for being on the advisory panel and having his fcuk buddy come round during lockdown - he wasn't displaying symptoms and we can be more or less sure he didn't spread it or do anything particularly risky, but it infringed the rules and he was part of the advisory committee that came up with the rules.

Dominic Cummings broke all the rules - he and his wife had symptoms and the express advice is to not leave your house for any reason for 7 days to protect the public, he didn't do that and she printed a bunch of lies in her article about their ********* lockdown preteding they were in London! They tried to act like the second trip to Barnard Castle (on her birthday no less) had not happened and even got number 10 to deny the "false" accusations about that second trip. This is straight out of the Trump playbook. I'm glad people are writing to their MPs and to the police force demanding an investigation, he needs to go.
 

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Emily Maitlis has had to step down as presenter of Newsnight after stating the bleeding f*cking obvious on the show. Wow.


I find this so depressing. Especially given the UMPTEEN times Laura Kuenssberg has mistweeted something or let something slip that favours one side (the right obviously) over the other and as far as I'm aware has never faced any discipline within the organisation as a result. But then she didn't have a government machine beying for blood like they have with Maitliss today. Thankfully the video will never disappear and there will be a time when we can look back and applaud her for having the guts to speak truth to power. It's just that she would have been better placed to do that on ITV rather than the BBC (which only uses the impartiality card when it suits them or when they're running scared of threats from Number 10. I know she hasn't been fired - she's been benched from tonights episode I think? - but if ever there was a time for ITV or C4 to swoop in and poach her, it's now. She is one of the few journalists that I have any respect for and I would hate to see her demoted to some nonsense at the beeb.
 

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And Boris's grilling by MP's was rather painful to see as he just didn't answer any questions - he mumbled his way through it and some of his answers were just laughable!! His continued defence of Cummings is beyond unbelievable and is just a slap in the face to the majority of the public who have made it clear they are furious with the sheer hypocrisy of what the PM is doing. What exactly does Cummings have that means Boris is scared to fire him?!
 

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And Boris's grilling by MP's was rather painful to see as he just didn't answer any questions - he mumbled his way through it and some of his answers were just laughable!! His continued defence of Cummings is beyond unbelievable and is just a slap in the face to the majority of the public who have made it clear they are furious with the sheer hypocrisy of what the PM is doing. What exactly does Cummings have that means Boris is scared to fire him?!

Shockingly unprofessional. He was clearly unprepared, poorly informed and the result was an absolute car crash. I actually spat my tea out when he said with no HINT of irony that he had been forbidden to set any more targets and deadlines. I mean, your the fecking PM, who has forbidden YOU from setting it? Ohhhhhh but wait.....

Yvette Copper aka Mrs Ed Balls certainly skewered Boris' this afternoon! She was fantastic, despite the chair trying his best to derail her.
 
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Most of the outrage is from the public, but the likes of BBC bring in Alister Campbell to talk about breach done by govt adviser is peak hypocrisy. I find normalising both Tony Blair and Alister in public a bit too much.

As for BBC and ITV, they have been supporting biased reporting from both Laura K and Peston for a while. If I remember currently Laura K was called out even by bbc in 2015 for breaching impartiality guidelines. However, she was allowed to continue her agenda. There is a definite problem in British media where there are too many mates hiring their mates for big jobs, most of them come from private schools and we end up hearing same kind of opinions.
 

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Yvette Copper aka Mrs Ed Balls certainly skewered Boris' this afternoon! She was fantastic, despite the chair trying his best to derail her.

She is a great politician. I noticed some time ago, that when she spoke in the commons, the other MPs stopped and listened on both sides of the house.
Starmer has some good, strong politicians who will form a very credible opposition.

Sadly the same cannot be said of the government, as only those who have sworn blind allegiance to Brexit remain.
 

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Most of the outrage is from the public, but the likes of BBC bring in Alister Campbell to talk about breach done by govt adviser is peak hypocrisy. I find normalising both Tony Blair and Alister in public a bit too much.

:confused: This is the second time you've mentioned Alistair Campbell and now Tony Blair....what do either of them have to do with Dominic Cummings breaching lockdown rules? I dislike them both as much as anyone else and usually refer to Tony Blair as a war criminal, but does either of them being heinous people change what Dominic Cummings did or how we react to it?

I hate Piers Morgan just as much as I ever have, it doesn't mean that i have to change my opinions just because he is saying pretty much what I think about the whole Dominic Cummings situation.
 
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:confused: This is the second time you've mentioned Alistair Campbell and now Tony Blair....what do either of them have to do with Dominic Cummings breaching lockdown rules? I dislike them both as much as anyone else and usually refer to Tony Blair as a war criminal, but does either of them being heinous people change what Dominic Cummings did or how we react to it?

I hate Piers Morgan just as much as I ever have, it doesn't mean that i have to change my opinions just because he is saying pretty much what I think about the whole Dominic Cummings situation.
Dominic Cummings actions should have consequences need not be highlighted by Alister Campbell as some expert, there are plenty of other qualified people. My problem is this is normalised by media by bringing in more and more such characters from Blair era. I hate Cummings, but Blair and is his co. was much worse. I see some of them making a come back under Starmer as well, hence my problem.

Piers Morgan is bad, but nowhere near as bad as Campbell.
 

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Dominic Cummings actions should have consequences need not be highlighted by Alister Campbell as some expert, there are plenty of other qualified people. My problem is this is normalised by media by bringing in more and more such characters from Blair era. I hate Cummings, but Blair and is his co. was much worse. I see some of them making a come back under Starmer as well, hence my problem.

Piers Morgan is bad, but nowhere near as bad as Campbell.

I've not seen Alistair Campbell or Tony Blair on any coverage that I have watched, but i'm not really paying that much attention. I find it really bizarre that someone would focus so much on the commenter rather than the action being critiqued but hey it's strange times we're living in.
 
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I've not seen Alistair Campbell or Tony Blair on any coverage that I have watched, but i'm not really paying that much attention. I find it really bizarre that someone would focus so much on the commenter rather than the action being critiqued but hey it's strange times we're living in.
I am fuming at Cummings and co., but nomralising people like Alister and Tony is not the way to go.

Part of my problem is also Campbell and Tony Blair and co. actively sabotaging the last two elections, check labour leaks. They worked hard to get tory into power and then now complaining about the very same people who helped get back into power. The racism the leaks exposed against Blacks and Muslim voters are also eye-popping, personally much of labour right-wing not so much different from CONS when it comes to racism. Maybe I am fuming about what could have been as well. As much I hate Bojo and Cummings.
 

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I am fuming at Cummings and co., but nomralising people like Alister and Tony is not the way to go.

Part of my problem is also Campbell and Tony Blair and co. actively sabotaging the last two elections, check labour leaks. They worked hard to get tory into power and then now complaining about the very same people who helped get back into power. The racism the leaks exposed against Blacks and Muslim voters are also eye-popping, personally much of labour right-wing not so much different from CONS when it comes to racism. Maybe I am fuming about what could have been as well. As much I hate Bojo and Cummings.

Just this. What could have been really hurts - now more than ever.
 

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Hate Boris Johnson as I do, I cannot imagine a world in which Corbyn would have been better in this crisis (I held my nose and voted Corbyn in the last general).

And I also think a Labour government would have taken criticism from the right forever and a day if they'd done what the Tories did in terms of the furlough scheme and grants that were given out - can you imagine the screams of SOCIALISM!!! A Tory government is the only one that could have done this and been praised for it. They did the right thing, it will cost us a lot in the long term but it is and was necessary and the decision sits with the Tories and not Labour. The Tories would have spent the next 20 years complaining about the closing down of businesses and the handing out of freebies so at least Labour don't have that to deal with going forwards.
 

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