Biden/Harris the new Democratic Slate for POTUS

Tony Wheeler

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Since the other thread is now locked, this probably is out of place but not sure where to put it.

I've been selling items all CV long, usually 50+ items a week I take to the post office. Throughout the first few months of shutdowns, everything was arriving anywhere in the US within 2-3 days. Nothing ever over that, which was surprising it was still within the normal schedule. In the last few weeks/maybe a month, it's taken 10-14 days for A LOT of my first class mail to arrive, and a lot of the time it's not even leaving the post office until a day or two after I drop it off.

The slow down is a real thing. People want to attribute it all to CV but it was not an issue for the first three months when everyone was paranoid about it and a lot of people didn't want to work.

I still have people melting down in their comments to me or their ratings to me about how the shipping wasn't fast enough. That's how oblivious and/or actually stupid some people are- they have the tracking in front of them and can very easily see I had nothing to do with the delay, but they still think in the current situation of the US that they are above any complications.

If you're voting by mail, pay attention to those posts that say vote at least 2 weeks early.

Also, I get that a lot of people don't like either candidate. If you really think Trump could be equal or better for America-- fine. If you don't, then you are 100% contributing to him by 'sitting this one out'.
 

rfisher

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I think the country has moved way beyond personal likes in regard to the 2020 election. That could apply under normal circumstances, but the stakes are way beyond that. And that goes for the self-identified progressives who often get in a snit because their pet candidate didn't win the nomination. If you let that influence your vote, you may as well just vote for Trump and call yourself whatever he is. It happened with those who voted for Nadar because of their lofty principles. Well, what happened there? Those who refused to vote for HRC because their Bro didn't get the nomination. We're all paying for that aren't we. The Supreme Court is in jeopardy. Dammit, Ruth is defying death to stay through January. The lower courts are going to be a disaster for decades. Even if you skew conservative, a balanced court is best for everybody. Does anybody want to give Trump and Barr four more years to totally destroy this country and take the Constitution and just burn it? Biden wasn't my favorite. It doesn't matter. The country matters. People's lives matter. My retirement matters. The environment matters. That means voting against Trump matters.
 

4rkidz

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Yay more Maya Rudolph on SNL!
that was my very first thought too!

If you think the Right is gonna go after Harris, she's also going to face scrutiny from the Left as well. From Reason.com: https://reason.com/2020/08/11/kamala-harris-is-a-cop-who-wants-to-be-vice-president/ , and from HuffPo: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...secutor_n_5c995789e4b0f7bfa1b57d2e?ri18n=true
I have already got into debates with my US colleague from California who worked with Harris when she was AG and she said she was no fan of the black communities and not progressive enough etc but I told her even Obama evolved (esp re: LGBTQ+). We need everyone on board. She might actually be a smart choice as those who are American Centre like her as well. Also reminded her that she spent her high school years in Canada so that will help her be more progressive lol .. I’m good with this ticket!
 

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I talked to my brother in Seattle.. He doesn’t like either as well but he said, we have seen what Trump has done And it ain’t good, so let’s give the left and socialism a whirl.

So we are both going to vote for Biden.
 

rfisher

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I talked to my brother in Seattle.. He doesn’t like either as well but he said, we have seen what Trump has done And it ain’t good, so let’s give the left and socialism a whirl.

So we are both going to vote for Biden.
Well, I think you'll both be pleased about the socialism aspect. :lol: Biden is way closer to the center than the socialist part of the party. Don't fall for the Trump nonsense.
 

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Well, I think you'll both be pleased about the socialism aspect. :lol: Biden is way closer to the center than the socialist part of the party. Don't fall for the Trump nonsense.
We both figure by the time socialism goes endgame, we will both be dead..:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
 

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I have already got into debates with my US colleague from California who worked with Harris when she was AG and she said she was no fan of the black communities and not progressive enough etc but I told her even Obama evolved (esp re: LGBTQ+). We need everyone on board. She might actually be a smart choice as those who are American Centre like her as well. Also reminded her that she spent her high school years in Canada so that will help her be more progressive lol .. I’m good with this ticket!
Great point re: Obama-- and Harris herself, considering her evolution.

If she's a good pick for the American centre, she also illustrates a way down the progressive path.

I talked to my brother in Seattle.. He doesn’t like either as well but he said, we have seen what Trump has done And it ain’t good, so let’s give the left and socialism a whirl.

So we are both going to vote for Biden.
I'm sorry, I know it sucks-- I can't remember ever liking who i vote for, really. Surely you can sneak a cocktail into the voting booth to make it easier?
 

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Great point re: Obama-- and Harris herself, considering her evolution.

If she's a good pick for the American centre, she also illustrates a way down the progressive path.



I'm sorry, I know it sucks-- I can't remember ever liking who i vote for, really. Surely you can sneak a cocktail into the voting booth to make it easier?
That is what the Bushmills is for. Hell, after 6 shots, I’ll vote for Karl Marx...:p:p:p:nopryde::nopryde::nopryde:
 

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We both figure by the time socialism goes endgame, we will both be dead..:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
Me too. I just want to actually get to draw some of that social security I've paid in to the system before I do

I think I've only voted for someone I really wanted to win twice. One of them won. The rest of the time it has been the best compromise.
 
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ErikWilliam

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Any American who thinks Biden/Harris represent “socialism” is f*cking bonkers. :p
I realize you aren't American, but I'm amazed at the same meme I got during Obama's election from RW idiots which said if Obama/Biden is voted into office, Obama will take away your bibles and turn this into a Muslim Sharia Law country. Then if that doesn't stick the meme says that he (and now Biden) if elected will turn this country into a socialist state. Plus, Obama and now Biden is going to take away your guns. Also, the best one: if Obama or now Biden is elected, full-term abortions will become normal. AND YADA YADA with the rest of the bullshit. Obama served 8 fjcking years and no ones' bibles, guns, free speech was taken away, nor did Muslim Sharia Law even come up. Now the Trumpers are trying this same shite again????? I've been very 'liberal' the last few months during quarantine. I've not just defriended over 30 people on my friend's list but blocked them too. My mental health is better, though I like a good argument and I think debate/discussion is so important not just to make your point, but try to figure out WHY someone thinks that way. During this quarantine, they just want things exactly as they want it, even if they have to lie, cheat, steal, etc. Done with it. Love BLOCK now.
 

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I have already got into debates with my US colleague from California who worked with Harris when she was AG and she said she was no fan of the black communities and not progressive enough etc but I told her even Obama evolved (esp re: LGBTQ+).
I think this is important to understanding Harris' record: She picked two hills to die on. They were the Death Penalty and Human Trafficking. Both of these are issues that disproportionately impact the BIPOC community. That makes them racial justice issues.

By not seeking the death penalty for a convicted cop killer, she earned the eternal hatred of police. It was a brave stance and I don't think she gets enough credit for it. If she really was the panderer that her detractors painted her as she would have caved on this issue IMO as not being tough enough on cop killers is a good way to alienate moderates as well as conservative.

The people who dis Harris for not being progressive enough or caring enough about Black people often have other issues that they wanted her to be as passionate about or to go out on a limb for. They believe she didn't go far enough on their issues and it disappointed them. This is understandable. But to say she is not a progressive or doesn't care about Black people because of this is not really accurate IMO.
 

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I think I've only voted for someone I really wanted to win twice. One of them won. The rest of the time it has been the best compromise.
Hm. I was enthusiastic to vote for both Clintons and for Obama. Two of those three did win.

The first presidential election I voted in was in college, 1980. I came back from voting and said to my Feminist House-mates I was depressed because it was raining and I voted for Carter. One said "Could be worse. Reagan could win anyway."

The next morning every single one of us was wearing black.
 

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I talked to my brother in Seattle.. He doesn’t like either as well but he said, we have seen what Trump has done And it ain’t good, so let’s give the left and socialism a whirl.

So we are both going to vote for Biden.

Yay on the vote for Biden! (y)

With regard to socialism ... As someone pointed out today on Twitter, the U.S. is the most materialistic, capitalistic country in the world, probably. (Seriously, who's got us beat? LOL.) So we likely have a long-- a very long-- a very very long-- way to go before we'll ever really be socialist. 🙃
 

MacMadame

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Hm. I was enthusiastic to vote for both Clintons and for Obama. Two of those three did win.
I was enthusiastic for Obama the second time. I was leery of his lack of experience the first time. And disappointed that Clinton didn't win the nomination.

I was enthusiastic about Carter in 1976. That was my first Presidential vote! But in 1980, I came down with something and didn't vote that year (I'm in CA so it didn't really matter).


Some more articles about Harris:



 

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Yay on the vote for Biden! (y)

With regard to socialism ... As someone pointed out today on Twitter, the U.S. is the most materialistic, capitalistic country in the world, probably. (Seriously, who's got us beat? LOL.) So we likely have a long-- a very long-- a very very long-- way to go before we'll ever really be socialist. 🙃
May happen faster than you think. If the Democrats gain control of the senate, keep the house and get the presidency, it will happen very quickly. The first thing will be to get rid of the filibuster rule then you will see programs as the New Green Deal passed. Also Warren is a big proponent of a wealth tax and she has a lot of support.

If the democrats do not gain the senate, then it will take at least 2 years because it might not be until 2022 for the mid term elections.

In any case, it will be a fascinating process to observe....
 

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May happen faster than you think. If the Democrats gain control of the senate, keep the house and get the presidency, it will happen very quickly. The first thing will be to get rid of the filibuster rule then you will see programs as the New Green Deal passed. Also Warren is a big proponent of a wealth tax and she has a lot of support.
None of that is socialism.

Socialism is when the community owns the means of production. And pretty much no one currently in Congress is even attempting to get that passed.
 

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If the Democrats regain the senate, I hope they've learned the lesson that those rules you think will benefit you today, can come back and bite you in the ass tomorrow. Harry Reid set the stage for some of the things McConnell has used and the same will happen with regard to Mitch. Too many members of Congress think too short term. I heard an NPR interview with Cokie Roberts once who talked about this very thing. When her dad was in the Senate, all the senators lived in DC and actually knew each other. There was some actual work across the aisles. This started shifting in the late 60s and now, most of them are essentially commuters whose families don't come to DC and the division is much, much deeper. She said it was more difficult to be total jerks with regard to party lines when your kids went to school together and your spouses were friends.
 

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I have been pleasantly surprised at the reaction to Harris' nomination by Indian-Americans. In my experience, Indian-Americans tend to vote REP, and so I was really surprised to see them post favorable things about Harris. Looks like she inspires Indian-Americans too, as well as blacks. Harris is going to bring a much needed younger energy to the campaign, which I don't think Warren or Rice would have done.
I'm replying to my post. I would not be at all surprised if Trump ditches Pence and names that ex-mayor/guv from Georgia, I forget her name, but the Indian-American woman who was head of the UN, as his running mate. In fact, don't be surprised if Trump dumps Pence for Nikki Haley (finally remembered her name) in the next few days. Let me be the first to call it. Except I think Trump is so afraid of strong women he would be too intimidated with a woman on the ticket, unless it was his sexual obsession Ivanka.
 

ErikWilliam

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None of that is socialism.

Socialism is when the community owns the means of production. And pretty much no one currently in Congress is even attempting to get that passed.
S/he doesn't know the difference, nor cares to learn. S/he is probably screaming on social media that masks are COMMUNIST! SOCIALIST!!!!! Usually, like when someone brings up the word "Hitler" I start losing interest when I see some redneck ignoramus screaming "Socialist! Communist!" because they obviously know nothing of what they are talking about.
 

Tony Wheeler

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I'm replying to my post. I would not be at all surprised if Trump ditches Pence and names that ex-mayor/guv from Georgia, I forget her name, but the Indian-American woman who was head of the UN, as his running mate. In fact, don't be surprised if Trump dumps Pence for Nikki Haley (finally remembered her name) in the next few days. Let me be the first to call it. Except I think Trump is so afraid of strong women he would be too intimidated with a woman on the ticket, unless it was his sexual obsession Ivanka.
I think Haley is obviously being set up for 2024. I commented in the now closed thread that he could always dump Pence for someone else, and I think if his numbers were actually higher/closer, he might have considered Nikki for real. But I have a feeling she wants to do this on her own without the risk of a huge loss in November on her record.
 

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Biden got an 8 point bump in one national poll today. Now I'm wondering if Trump will see this and decide that he'll dump Pence and then announce a new VP believing he'll get a bump from that as well.
 

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Sorry, you but you need to get to the back of the line...:D (At least one poster at FSU has been saying this for a while. And there may be others I'm not remembering.)
Except I'm talking about a last minute ditch effort. I was saying Orange was going to dump him for Nikki two years ago. You might even be referring to me! lol. He's going to pull out all stops to win this. Don't underestimate him putting another Indian-American woman on his ticket in the last 81 days of his failed campaign. He's capable of anything, including encouraging Kanye West on the ballot?????? He will sink to no level.
 

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