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All are run by liberals? In AL, GA, TN, NC, SC, etc are run by liberals? I think not.

Chicago and the 1619 project are unknown to me. Will have to check it out to see what is going on. The 1619 project sounds non-liberal from the little bit you stated. More far left than the majority would believe and accept. We'll see.

NJL

The 1619 project is from the NY Times: "
The 1619 Project is an ongoing initiative from The New York Times Magazine that began in August 2019, the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative.
Read more about The 1619 Project. "

It is not far left. And @caseyedwards take your fake concern about the holocaust and shove it. The 1619 project is about American history.

Fake concerns about anti-semitism often conceal real anti-semitism on the part of those throwing them around. The rightwing in this country thinks nothing of using fake concerns about Israel and anti-semitism to promote racism and their desire to prop up white supremacist narratives. Its entirely transparent.
 

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The 1619 project is from the NY Times: "
The 1619 Project is an ongoing initiative from The New York Times Magazine that began in August 2019, the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative.
Read more about The 1619 Project. "

It is not far left. And @caseyedwards take your fake concern about the holocaust and shove it. The 1619 project is about American history.

Fake concerns about anti-semitism often conceal real anti-semitism on the part of those throwing them around. The rightwing in this country thinks nothing of using fake concerns about Israel and anti-semitism to promote racism and their desire to prop up white supremacist narratives. Its entirely transparent.
Thank you BR.

I found an interesting article from the December 23, 2019 The Atlantic:

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians-clash-1619-project/604093

It seems to indicate that there was some disagreement from liberals about the project. How odd. The conservatives usually do not disagree on what is presented as the party line.

NJL (I'm shocked! Shocked I say! at them for being so liberal.)
 

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The 1619 project is from the NY Times: "
The 1619 Project is an ongoing initiative from The New York Times Magazine that began in August 2019, the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative.
Read more about The 1619 Project. "

It is not far left. And @caseyedwards take your fake concern about the holocaust and shove it. The 1619 project is about American history.

Fake concerns about anti-semitism often conceal real anti-semitism on the part of those throwing them around. The rightwing in this country thinks nothing of using fake concerns about Israel and anti-semitism to promote racism and their desire to prop up white supremacist narratives. Its entirely transparent.
It shows that some of the left has a severe perversion oF history And is focused on a horrible rewriting of history - at least American history so who knows what they are up to on the Holocaust. The issue with the 1619 project is that it’s all lies
That's why schools books say that the Civil War was about state's rights. Because liberals are in charge. :rolleyes:

yes and it was liberals in America who were the leaders in giving Lee and davis back their citizenship! Liberals seemed to want to teach American kids that the civil war was not a altruistic act of white Americans to free slaves but a brutal act against the breakup of the United States with slavery being second Or not at all! So it is true that liberalism has changed its view on civil war and confederates. Who they all agreed to give back their citizenship in the 70’s.

plus the leading anti Semite in America is a democrat. And she was born in the 80’s!
 

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Thank you BR.

I found an interesting article from the December 23, 2019 The Atlantic:

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians-clash-1619-project/604093

It seems to indicate that there was some disagreement from liberals about the project. How odd. The conservatives usually do not disagree on what is presented as the party line.

NJL (I'm shocked! Shocked I say! at them for being so liberal.)

I think the key point about the 1619 project is this:

In conjunction with the Pulitzer Center, the Times has produced educational materials based on the 1619 Project for students—one of the reasons Wilentz told me he and his colleagues wrote the letter. But the materials are intended to enhance traditional curricula, not replace them. “I think that there is a misunderstanding that this curriculum is meant to replace all of U.S. history,” Silverstein told me. “It's being used as supplementary material for teaching American history." Given the state of American education on slavery, some kind of adjustment is sorely needed.

The rightwing wants you to think the teaching of history is indoctrination--because that is what they think it should be, just from their approved point of view. That is not what the 1619 project is about and in any case it is unrelated to the topics of this thread.
 

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I think the key point about the 1619 project is this:



The rightwing wants you to think the teaching of history is indoctrination--because that is what they think it should be, just from their approved point of view. That is not what the 1619 project is about and in any case it is unrelated to the topics of this thread.
It seems like you agree The History of America is that the founders only wanted independence from England because they were afraid that slavery was going to be abolished soon and they needed to protect slavery. And that’s it. That’s why America is independent
 

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“The behaviour of some of the opponents to the memorial has been shocking and disgraceful. The fact that I have been subjected to these smears, and my family to antisemitic abuse and death threats, only shows the paramount importance of the memorial,” he told the Jewish Chronicle.

The paper reported the minister had been given protection from counter-terrorism police after threats to burn down his home....

Jenrick – who is married to the daughter of Holocaust survivors and whose children are being brought up as Jewish – recused himself from any decisions relating to the memorial after publicly backing the plans.
While there have been some seemingly reasonable objections to the design, location, and process, the death threats make the objections seem much less reasonable and much more suspicious.
 

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a caller today left a racist and anti-semitic message on my org's voice mail. It wasn't hostile to us it was just explaining something to the effect that Native Americans and Hispanics receive welfare money and then go spend it at the casinos and somehow the B'nai B'rith then syphons off the money and after that the Native Americans and Hispanics go buy new dresses at the mall.

Just sad. :(
 

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Swastika graffiti was discovered on my college campus last week. Back in the early 90s, there was at least one incident per year. 25+ years later and the campus environment is as hostile to Jews as ever. And with YKW, Jewish students can't even take a walk off campus to escape. :( (And I can guarantee that the perpetrator was not a neo-Nazi/alt-righter...there are none at my college, nor were there 25 years ago.)
 

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Well if they are putting swastika graffiti up they clearly are....
No, not so clearly. Hate symbols might originate or be more aligned with one particular group, but they can be used by anyone. As I've said before, there's not a lot of difference between the anti-Semitic right and the anti-Semitic left. Different narrative maybe, but same rhetoric.
 

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Swastika graffiti was discovered on my college campus last week. Back in the early 90s, there was at least one incident per year. 25+ years later and the campus environment is as hostile to Jews as ever. And with YKW, Jewish students can't even take a walk off campus to escape. :( (And I can guarantee that the perpetrator was not a neo-Nazi/alt-righter...there are none at my college, nor were there 25 years ago.)
Now you know that you cannot guarantee the veracity of either of those events.
 

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No, not so clearly. Hate symbols might originate or be more aligned with one particular group, but they can be used by anyone. As I've said before, there's not a lot of difference between the anti-Semitic right and the anti-Semitic left. Different narrative maybe, but same rhetoric.
Well if someone is going to graffiti a swastika, I think it is fairly safe to assume that person has Nazi leanings....
 

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I know Bret Stephens is dismissed by those left of center, but most of his points here are worth taking:

Here's the meat of it:

All of this should serve as stark reminders that when it comes to anti-Semitism, neither left nor right nor Black nor white has any kind of monopoly. No less important, no side is free of political leanings that are, if not anti-Semitic, then perilously close to it. The Trumpian right’s obsession with border walls, protective tariffs and drastic cuts to legal immigration is a vehicle for a toxic brand of American nationalism that over time cannot bode well for American Jews.

But the left’s fetish with pyramids of privilege and intersections of oppression is just as toxic, if not more, considering the broad success of American Jews in the ladders of educational, economic and cultural attainment. Whenever the success or merit of a minority group turns into a presumption of social guilt — whether it was the Asian community in Idi Amin’s Uganda, the Chinese in Suharto’s Indonesia, or Jews in Weimar Germany — the consequences tend to be catastrophic.

Anti-Semitism and What Feeds It (New York Times)

 

AxelAnnie

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I know Bret Stephens is dismissed by those left of center, but most of his points here are worth taking:

Here's the meat of it:



Anti-Semitism and What Feeds It (New York Times)

Thanks for posting that.

I am reading through the Vince Flynn/Mitch Rapp books. They are set in the middle east..

I read the most interesting thing...I am going to paraphrase:. People think there are in Israel two groups fighting to be the legimate people of the land. Both the Palestinians and the Jews can and do make a legitimate case for their right to be in Israel.

Beware...there is a third group whose mission is to drive Israel off the face of the earth. These are not really people you can talk with.
 

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Cutting some national funding doesn’t change the fact that public schools are funded by property taxes and public schools are run by liberals who decide the curriculum! In fact if you look at Chicago their Priority when it comes to history is teaching people that all the founding fathers of America did so because they were afraid england was going to abolish slavery and American independence was solely to protect slavery. So chicago priorities are 1619 project not teaching anything about holocaust

Schools are run by the State who decides the cirriculum, not the individuals districts. This is a favourite lie for conservatives. States decide the cirriculum, not schools. The states which have the worst education systems, are red state schools. States issue lists of textebooks.

Red states have slashed education budgets to the bone because Republicans don't want to pay for public education. The red states have the lowest test scores and graduation rates. Republicans think that if they make public schools bad enough, no one will use them, and they can give vouchers for charter schools.
 

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Schools are run by the State who decides the cirriculum, not the individuals districts. This is a favourite lie for conservatives. States decide the cirriculum, not schools. The states which have the worst education systems, are red state schools. States issue lists of textebooks.

Red states have slashed education budgets to the bone because Republicans don't want to pay for public education. The red states have the lowest test scores and graduation rates. Republicans think that if they make public schools bad enough, no one will use them, and they can give vouchers for charter schools.
States do not decide curriculum. At least Illinois doesnt. It takes 2 seconds To google. Just “chicago public schools curriculum”

Seems like Some liberals are the ones who want to destroy public schools with their “US is evil result of pro slavery panic “ Lessons
 

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Are we going to have another discussion ignoring anti-semitism and beating the same hobby horses?
Co-signed.

How about someone start a thread on education? (And as someone who was once a teacher, I will say that yes, states do set basic curriculum and grade level/graduation reqs. And each school district (i.e. county/city) has some flexibility within those reqs. Funding comes from state and local funds along with some federal grants.)
 

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States do not decide curriculum. At least Illinois doesnt. It takes 2 seconds To google. Just “chicago public schools curriculum”

Seems like Some liberals are the ones who want to destroy public schools with their “US is evil result of pro slavery panic “ Lessons

Then there's the State of Texas which does control the cirriculum for the whole state issuing textbooks which called slavery a "form of immigration". Which taught "intelligent design" in place of evolution.

And there's this:


Let me quote:

State authorities have more control over education in the US the education system than federal or local authorities.
 

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It should be made clear that this was an anonymous letter, not one from the city or any organized group.

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I want to know what the letter writer has done to dismantle systemic racism. And, no, writing letters telling people to take down their Christmas lights doesn't count.
I'd like to know if the letter writer actually exists. This is very on the nose in terms of messaging.

Anyway, in this thread we've seen a lot of dangerous examples of antisemitism, and now a nice lady may have gotten a dumb letter about her Christmas lights. What dreadful persecution :rolleyes:
 

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