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el henry

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Heartbreaking news. :(

A list of the terrorist attacks that took place in Afghanistan in 2020:


Terrorist attacks take place whether American troops stay or whether American troops leave. Afghan citizens have been dying for 20 years. But now, as sad and as mournful as this news is, these particular deaths, are more newsworthy?

Estimates are less than 1000 Americans who want to leave remain in Afghanistan. This has been a remarkably successful evacuation so far.


Just more proof, as though it was needed. The US troops needed to withdraw.
 

Judy

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Heartbreaking news. :(

A list of the terrorist attacks that took place in Afghanistan in 2020:


Terrorist attacks take place whether American troops stay or whether American troops leave. Afghan citizens have been dying for 20 years. But now, as sad and as mournful as this news is, these particular deaths, are more newsworthy?

Estimates are less than 1000 Americans who want to leave remain in Afghanistan. This has been a remarkably successful evacuation so far.


Just more proof, as though it was needed. The US troops needed to withdraw.
Yes because they are Americans. I doubt it was random luck for the terrorists.
 

el henry

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Yes because they are Americans. I doubt it was random luck for the terrorists.

of course it wasn’t random.

but it was far from the most deadly day for American troops due to terrorist attacks:


Every death is a tragedy, and I do not undermine the tragedy of anyone dying, or of soldiers dying, or of soldiers dying in terrorist attacks.

but for the past ten years, at least, ho hum, one day news cycle, five minutes out of the hour) back to usual. If the press had dedicated 24 hours a day to every terrorist attack as with this one, maybe we would have pulled out of this morass earlier (well, maybe not under the weak manchild currently sitting on his butt in Mar a Lago. Nothing would distract him from his grift. :( )
 

AxelAnnie

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Good to know that your opinions about absolutely everything are equally awful.
Thanks for your commentary. I so look forward to your comments about my thoughts.
IMO our Congress is so busy getting re-elected that they don't have time to do their jobs.
I think there should be term limits. Senate - one and you are done - 6 years. And the same thing for the House. Think Nancy Pelosi. "Now, a viral video was shared thousands of times over the weekend of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi at a large Napa Valley Democrat fundraiser. Only the servers and waiters were wearing masks." Way to lead by example, Nancy. Today she is in SF talking about women's issues. Nancy, please live in the real world.

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Oh and another coincidence

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Boy has he been lucky. :wall: Maybe Nancy talks in her sleep!
 
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AxelAnnie

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of course it wasn’t random.

but it was far from the most deadly day for American troops due to terrorist attacks:


Every death is a tragedy, and I do not undermine the tragedy of anyone dying, or of soldiers dying, or of soldiers dying in terrorist attacks.

but for the past ten years, at least, ho hum, one day news cycle, five minutes out of the hour) back to usual. If the press had dedicated 24 hours a day to every terrorist attack as with this one, maybe we would have pulled out of this morass earlier (well, maybe not under the weak manchild currently sitting on his butt in Mar a Lago. Nothing would distract him from his grift. :( )
It is the first terror attack in 15 years.
 

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Estimates are less than 1000 Americans who want to leave remain in Afghanistan. This has been a remarkably successful evacuation so far.

Sure, if you only care about the US citizens and not any of the people who helped the US in the 20 years that the US army occupied their country.


It's horrendous.
 

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There are just too many moving parts to this whole mess. If anyone is familiar with linear algebra, it’s a case of 20 equations with 20 unknowns, it is difficult to sort out and be able to pinpoint blame on anyone individual on how this situation panned out. Finger pointing is really stupid at this juncture. What the focus now should be is to get as many folks out as quickly as possible and as safely as possible.

There will be plenty time way down the road for Monday morning quarterbacking.
 

el henry

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Sure, if you only care about the US citizens and not any of the people who helped the US in the 20 years that the US army occupied their country.


It's horrendous.

20 years of a losing war where the US should never have been, particularly after Bin Laden was killed, is indeed horrendous. The current administration IMO is doing a good job, having inherited a horrendous situation, in evacuating both Americans and Afghani allies.

But leaving a country after losing a war will always be painful. :(
 

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San Francisco closed down many bathhouses in 1984 while NY didn’t and was waiting for them to be responsible. Everyone knew they were very bad for health of gay men and there was way too much slowness to close them. CDC was definitely urging their closure
20 years of a losing war where the US should never have been, particularly after Bin Laden was killed, is indeed horrendous. The current administration IMO is doing a good job, having inherited a horrendous situation, in evacuating both Americans and Afghani allies.

But leaving a country after losing a war will always be painful. :(
Dear Axel Annie, b-man and others:

Partisanship is so tiresome! Biden has been president for 8 months. Is he not responsible for anything?
 

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Partisanship is so tiresome! Biden has been president for 8 months. Is he not responsible for anything?

You are allowed to blame Biden for voting to authorize Bush to use military force in Afghanistan in 2001 and for overestimating the ability of the current Afghan forces. That's it.

How was Biden supposed to fix the fact that Trump released 5,000 Taliban members in 8 months?
 
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AxelAnnie

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20 years of a losing war where the US should never have been, particularly after Bin Laden was killed, is indeed horrendous. The current administration IMO is doing a good job, having inherited a horrendous situation, in evacuating both Americans and Afghani allies.

But leaving a country after losing a war will always be painful. :(
Always painful.....but the execution perception, coalition perception, and everyone else. He has made major mistakes in the execution of the departure. Not grounded in reality or any cogent plan is so sad.

Are you saying that Biden and his advisors were royally flawed? I will give that a yes. There is still the incredible question: How was he so monumentally wrong.

1. You can rely on the Taliban.....you have to be kidding? There are just not enough words. for that POV.

Who thought it was brilliant to trust the Taliban? and Biden just skates around the lives and commitments of the Taliban. Why would anyone trust the Taliban? Really? They knew this was going to happen. The notion now that they are going to hunt down the terrorists is just facetious. Oh, and let's put the terrorists in charge .gGenius plan.



I really worry about Biden. I don't know that his cognitive abilities are capable of dealing with this.
 

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You are allowed to blame Biden for voting to authorize Bush to use military force in Afghanistan in 2001 and for overestimating the ability of the current Afghan forces. That's it.

How was Biden supposed to fix the fact that Trump released 5,000 Taliban members in 8 months?
Yeah that’s terrible. However, Trump didn’t do much of anything that was good. A very sick man.
 

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You are allowed to blame Biden for voting to authorize Bush to use military force in Afghanistan in 2001 and for overestimating the ability of the current Afghan forces. That's How was Biden supposed to fix the fact that Trump released 5,000 Taliban members in 8 months?
Abandon the deal. Try to capture all of them. Send more troops. All democrats are now in total agreement that the 2020 deal was the worst deal of all time and they did nothing but follow it for 8 months. Why? Why didn’t Biden abandon the deal , try to capture all of those released and send more troops to Afghanistan?
 

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Abandon the deal. Try to capture all of them. Send more troops. All democrats are now in total agreement that the 2020 deal was the worst deal of all time and they did nothing but follow it for 8 months. Why? Why didn’t Biden abandon the , try to capture all of those released and send more troops to Afghanistan?
Because the Taliban is impossible to beat. They kill some and they just keep recruiting. 20 years just didn’t work as far as stabilizing the country. I really wish it had. 😞
 

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And Biden. He didn’t have to follow Trumps deal with the taliban
Except to some extent he did. What people don't seem to get is that the Taliban are victors. They get to dictate terms, not us.

This doesn't excuse us from not getting more people out earlier but some of these suggestions for what should happened instead seem to be based on fairy tales.
 

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Republicans are divided on whether U.S. should allow immigration of Afghans who helped the U.S. in the war:


100% predictable.
I don't know how many Afghans helped the US. Certainly many did. We have evacuated about 100,000, but only about 4,500 Americans. I am skeptical all the remaining 96,000 Afghans helped to any material extent. They would likely qualify for refugee status regardless. Somehow we had an estimated 10,000 to 15,000 Americans stranded a few days ago, and after evacuating about 4,500, we now have 1,000 to 1,500 left???

I know Glenn Beck started a humanitarian effort to rescue specifically the Afghan Christian population, most of whom converted from Islam, would be called apostates under Islamic law, and would be subject to execution. Beck raised $30 million in private funds, leased a number of airliners, and evacuated 5,100 to nations willing to accept Afghan Christians. None went to the US. He reports the State Dept thwarted his efforts at every turn, and even ordered one flight loaded with refugees on the tarmac, to be unloaded, with the refugees then inexplicably escorted off the base. Those still haven't gotten out, and may have been caught up in todays bombing.
 

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Dear Axel Annie, b-man and others:

While I disagree with trumps treatment of the Kurds, he did clean up Obama's mess by disposing of ISIS in short order, as well as eliminating al-Baghdadi and Qasem Soleimani. He then did what you liberals supposedly want, he withdrew from an endless war in Syria.
Dear Axel Annie, b-man and others:

 

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I am skeptical all the remaining 96,000 Afghans helped to any material extent. They would likely qualify for refugee status regardless.
Many of those 96,000 are the spouses, children, and dependent family members of those who did provide material help. Would you force those who did help to choose between coming without their families or staying behind?

As for the refugees, why shouldn't the U.S. help them? The Taliban have sealed Afghanistan's borders, so the only way to flee is by plane. Or would you have the U.S. abandon them too?
 

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Abandon the deal. Try to capture all of them. Send more troops. All democrats are now in total agreement that the 2020 deal was the worst deal of all time and they did nothing but follow it for 8 months. Why? Why didn’t Biden abandon the deal , try to capture all of those released and send more troops to Afghanistan?

Sure, abandoning a negotiated deal with the Taliban and sending in even more American troops (which the Taliban had been using as a recruitment tool since 2001) would definitely not result in more American deaths and even further destabilization. :rolleyes:

And, really, try to capture them all? You are arguing for another long-term American occupation if you really believe that is in any way possible.
 
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