2024 Grand Prix Final - Women SP: “Sad Songs (Say So Flutz)”

[Rukia]

amber is leading going into the free that's not good for her

 

[Andrey aka Pushkin]

So the Japanese nationals were won by an American.

That was as underwhelming as I expected.

 

[victorskid]

Woman SP

Protocols link: https://results.isu.org/results/sea...------QUAL000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1​	Amber GLENN	USA	70.04​	37.02​		33.02​	8.21​	8.32​	8.29​	0.00​	#5​
2​	Mone CHIBA	JPN	69.33​	36.66​		32.67​	8.25​	8.07​	8.25​	0.00​	#2​
3​	Hana YOSHIDA	JPN	64.23​	32.21​		32.02​	8.14​	7.93​	8.00​	0.00​	#3​
4​	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN	63.98​	30.79​		34.19​	8.71​	8.43​	8.57​	1.00​	#6​
5​	Rino MATSUIKE	JPN	62.63​	32.52​		31.11​	7.86​	7.57​	7.96​	1.00​	#1​
6​	Wakaba HIGUCHI	JPN	61.61​	29.69​		32.92​	8.25​	8.11​	8.39​	1.00​	#4​

 

[tony]

Welp, if Kaori isn't in the top two Japanese women-wise here, I guess the World team is going to be set after all.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Chiba and Glenn are 5+ points out in front, but this looks like anybody's game Saturday.

 

[Sally1214]

4th in the short program for Kaori ... not something we're used to seeing.

Sure hope Amber's back is okay. I'd be devastated if she had to withdraw. I didn't just say the "w" word. I did NOT.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

amber is leading going into the free that's not good for her

Hopefully knowing she didn't skate well will break it up a bit for her.

 

[Citlali]

Not the best skate day for my favorites, hoped better from Kaori and Amber

At least Amber is first

Mone even if your program gives me Rhythm dance PTSD

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

4th in the short program for Kaori ... not something we're used to seeing.

Happened at last year's worlds.

 

[Karen-W]

amber is leading going into the free that's not good for her

Ehhhhhh... I don't know that it's bad. She knows she didn't skate great and was gifted by the tech panel. We'll see how she does on Saturday. Ted & Mark are mentioning that she told Damon Allen she tweaked her back during the program, so hopefully the Team USA physiotherapist will be able to get her patched up enough to get through the FS with a CoC-like program.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

I think Amber will rally and have a good free if she hasn`t hurt herself. She has to start seeing herself as someone who when having a bad day will be in 2nd or even 1st.

 

[Private Citizen]

I just walked past Vanessa Gusmeroli and resisted the urge to tell her what I thought of those non-calls.

 

[Karen-W]

I just walked past Vanessa Gusmeroli and resisted the urge to tell her what I thought of those non-calls.

Really - have you no compassion for @tony?! You better give her a piece of our collective minds here on Saturday after the FS!

 

[zigzig]

I love Amber and glad she's in first but the blatant favoritism toward the one white girl in this event is super shady. The toe should at least be < if not << and the loop should have been a q or <.

If everyone else is getting looked at under a microscope she should be too.

Eff you Gusmeroli and your stupid clown program.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

I love Amber and glad she's in first but the blatant favoritism toward the one white girl in this event is super shady. The toe should at least be < if not << and the loop should have been a q or <.

If everyone else is getting looked at under a microscope she should be too.

Eff you Gusmeroli and your stupid clo

never mind

wn pr

 

[Sally1214]

Well, I had a great time on day #1 of the GPF. Can't think of a better way to have spent a rainy, windy day in early Dec. See you all tomorrow.

Now, I'm off to see what hubby is watching upstairs. My expectations are somewhat dampened by the loud, "that will be a rainy day in Hell!" I just heard someone (on the TV) screaming.

 

[tony]

I love Amber and glad she's in first but the blatant favoritism toward the one white girl in this event is super shady. The toe should at least be < if not << and the loop should have been a q or <.

If everyone else is getting looked at under a microscope she should be too.

Eff you Gusmeroli and your stupid clown program.

I wanna clarify that Gusmeroli is one of three on the panel, and she’s the last one listed. It’s a majority vote for everything so for all we know, she’s just been on a bunch of panels where she’s overruled by the other two.

I don’t think it’s favoritism toward the white girl at all, especially when the actual fact is that the technical controller is from China. But who ever uses facts for anything?

Sakamoto 19 times out of 20 gets no call or the stupid ! on her serious flutz, Higuchi the same story with her ‘flip’.

ETA- for the way Kaori skated and for the mess of choreography and posture that is this short program, her PCS are ridiculous, comparatively speaking.

 

[Karen-W]

Well, I had a great time on day #1 of the GPF. Can't think of a better way to have spent a rainy, windy day in early Dec. See you all tomorrow.

Now, I'm off to see what hubby is watching upstairs. My expectations are somewhat dampened by the loud, "that will be a rainy day in Hell!" I just heard someone (on the TV) screaming.

I plan on watching the last episode of the first season of "Day of the Jackal" on Peacock - I got hooked a few weeks ago after CoC and want to see what sort of a cliffhanger it ends with (I presume it ends with one, lol).

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I love Amber and glad she's in first but the blatant favoritism toward the one white girl in this event is super shady. The toe should at least be < if not << and the loop should have been a q or <.

If everyone else is getting looked at under a microscope she should be too.

Eff you Gusmeroli and your stupid clown program.

This is honestly such a wild frame to take when Kaori’s flutz was fully ignored.

 

[Karen-W]

This is honestly such a wild frame to take when Kaori’s flutz was fully ignored.

Wellllll... Kaori's 3Lz got a ! call today, so it wasn't entirely ignored.

 

[zigzig]

This is honestly such a wild frame to take when Kaori’s flutz was fully ignored.

It got a ! and both of her combo triples got < and they were more around than Amber's toe.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Wellllll... Kaori's 3Lz got a ! call today, so it wasn't entirely ignored.

Ah, I stand corrected.

When kaori’s egregious flute was given a ! Instead of an e.

 

[emason]

I plan on watching the last episode of the first season of "Day of the Jackal" on Peacock - I got hooked a few weeks ago after CoC and want to see what sort of a cliffhanger it ends with (I presume it ends with one, lol).

You’re going to have a long wait. Today’s episode is #8; 9 and 10 drop next Thursday.

 

[Karen-W]

You’re going to have a long wait. Today’s episode is #8; 9 and 10 drop next Thursday.

I knew that! I was confusing it with Lioness on Paramount, which only has 8 episodes per season - they're up through episode 7 and the last one drops on Sunday or Monday, I think.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Oh wow. I just finished watching everything. After Amber went, I said to myself OK she’s gonna be in second place that’s great. I can’t believe how this all ended ..so she’s in the lead. Tomorrow should be exciting. Wow Amber in first place.

 

[Private Citizen]

The toe in Sakamoto's combo was not any more around than Glenn's.

Granted, Sakamoto got a < and Glenn only got a q. I disagree with the q and think Glenn deserved a <. Both women were bordering on << on the second jump, IMO. Sakamoto's flip was also short; you can see the under-rotation clearly and it contributed to the necessary turnout.

Given that a flutz ("e") comes with a mandatory reduction in base value and reduction in GOE that a warning does not, I don't think Glenn was any more gifted than Sakamoto. I'd have had Sakamoto behind Matsuike, who did get a << call on her lutz, which was the one call in the event that I thought was harsh.

 

[4rkidz]

I don't love the complete break in choreography and a whole 9 seconds just going around slowly to prep for the Axel, but it was done. Rotation maybe needs another look.

ONCE AGAIN that toe loop technique, I'm sorry. It's always short. This time she came down on two feet which will really get a second look and she may very well get the < along with a ! call.

And then the loop, which she does in her sleep on the bad days, another two foot and short as well.

Watching it live you called those jumps Tony, the loop she did about 4ft away from me and was two foot and short. A lot of us confused in the audience with her score? I mean I do want her to win. It was strange scoring, need to watch it on the TV replay and figure it out.

 

[Karen-W]

Watching it live you called those jumps Tony, the loop she did about 4ft away from me and was two foot and short. A lot of us confused in the audience with her score? I mean I do want her to win. It was strange scoring, need to watch it on the TV replay and figure it out.

No, you're right - it definitely looks two-footed in this video clip, and I think the rotation was somewhere between q & <.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864785196995707034

 

[tony]

No, you're right - it definitely looks two-footed in this video clip, and I think the rotation was somewhere between q & <.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864785196995707034

Just no.

https://imgur.com/a/6eUbziW

You can see her free foot toe pick hit the ice almost a full 1/2 rotation short. The ice flies up. Literal insanity that it came off as 'clean'.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Just no.

https://imgur.com/a/6eUbziW

You can see her free foot toe pick hit the ice almost a full 1/2 rotation short. The ice flies up. Literal insanity that it came off as 'clean'.

No way Jose, you’re always calling under rotations on everybody from here to Mars, the only thing I see with Glenn’s loop is maybe was two footed but it’s fully rotated

It’s beyond frustrating that her triple axel got no GOE, that’s crazy. It should have positive GOE.