2024-25 US Pairs Discussion - Triple-Twisting Through Tornado Alley

[happycamper2554]

She landed the throw 3l in the LP too, but the entire performance was bad. Danny looked so shaky in all of their lifts.

It's almost like something occurred before hand that might have thrown off the performance of the usually sturdy Danny O'Shea. Considering this isn't his first time having a bad fall on choreo element like that....

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

She landed the throw 3l in the LP too, but the entire performance was bad. Danny looked so shaky in all of their lifts.

Several of the men looked shaky their lives this weekend

 

[BrightSkates]

Looks like there are 3 Senior Pairs signed up Boston NQS.

 

[marshallpond]

Looks like there are 3 Senior Pairs signed up Boston NQS.

There's actually 4

Novice Pairs = 5
Junior Pairs = 5
Senior Pairs = 4

https://imgur.com/a/7Q0o9yW

 

[Evgeniafan]

There's actually 4

Novice Pairs = 5
Junior Pairs = 5
Senior Pairs = 4

https://imgur.com/a/7Q0o9yW

Who?

 

[marshallpond]

Who?

The list of competitors has not been released yet. Probably by Oct 2

 

[Karen-W]

Who?

We won't know which teams are entered until the starting orders are published next week.

Seniors -
Best guesses - Cooke/Kennedy, Wessenberg/Caputo (who apparently are still skating together) and 3 other teams.

We have yet to see the following teams compete this season - Fredette/Siianytsia, Mokhovs, Shin/Nagy.

Martins/Bedard are coming back from injury and haven't competed since Glacier Falls; Korytek/Chapman competed last weekend at Pac NW Interclub Championships - they're not eligible for international competition, so they may want another competition.

Other possibilities - Digerness/Sadusky, Fitzpatrick/Bearinger, Hanns/Neudecker, McBeath/Parkman, and Plazas/Fernandez - the last two are the least likely, IMO, but McBPark may want another competition before SkAm and PlaFern are currently injured but I think they'd rather go to Trophee Metropole Nice's Sr B competition for their season debut than the last NQS.

Juniors -
Gottschalk/Herbert, Grohne/Lunt, Jarmoc/Witkowski, McFarland/Andjorin, and Shapovalova/Griffin would be my guess - the other junior teams we have are all on the ISP and have had some great international competitions already this season.

Novice -
There are only 7 novice teams that have competed so far this season - there could be other teams but the 4 entries probably come from this group - Meek/Meek, Kerr/Castelletti, Tanner/Apter, Ji/Chen, Floyd/Lewis, Gariti/Curtis, Yun/McGee.

 

[BrightSkates]

There's actually 4

Novice Pairs = 5
Junior Pairs = 5
Senior Pairs = 4

https://imgur.com/a/7Q0o9yW

In the event schedule it says 3 though! Guess we will have to see

 

[BrightSkates]

Starting order for Senior Pairs SP Boston NQS

1Audrey Shin, SC of New York
Balazs Nagy, SC of New York

2 Linzy Fitzpatrick, SC of New York
Keyton Bearinger, SC of New York

3 Sydney Cooke, Elite Edge SC
Matthew Kennedy, Patriot FSC

4 Meghan Fredette, SC of New York
Danylo Siianytsia, SC of New York

No Wessenberg/Caputo or Mokhovs = no pair final/Nats for them

 

[BrightSkates]

12 Max Spots for Nationals in Seniors w/ Byes- my list so far of whos in the series/has a bye
Looks like some teams will be left out.

1. O'shea/Kam
2. Chan/Howe
3. Plazas/Fernandez
4. Mcbeath/Parkman
5. Efimova/Mitrofanov
6. Chapman/Kortyek
7. Digerness/Sadusky
8. Martins/Bedard
9. Williams/Lewer
10. Fitzpatrick/Bearinger
11. Shin/Nagy

12.
Siiyanisiya/Fredette
Flores/Wang? (Aren't in the Jr NQS or Sr NQS series)
Hanns/Neudecker
Cooke/Kennedy

 

[Karen-W]

And a new Jr Pairs team - Milada Kovar/Jared McPike!

Jr Teams - Gottschalk/Herbert, Hansen/Church, Jarmoc/Witkowski, Kovar/McPike, McFarland/Andjorin

 

[Karen-W]

12 Max Spots for Nationals w/ Byes- my list so far of whos in the series/has a bye
Looks like some teams will be left out.

1. O'shea/Kam
2. Chan/Howe
3. Plazas/Fernandez
4. Mcbeath/Parkman
5. Efimova/Mitrofanov
6. Chapman/Kortyek
7. Digerness/Sadusky
8. Martins/Bedard
9. Williams/Lewer
10. Fitzpatrick/Bearinger
11. Shin/Nagy

12.
Siiyanisiya/Fredette
Flores/Wang?
Hanns/Neudecker
Cooke/Kennedy

Your list of Byes is not accurate:

Top 5 @ 2024 Nats -
1 - Kam/O'Shea
2 - Efimova/Mitrofanov
3 - Plazas/Fernandez
Liu/Nagy
4 - McBeath/Parkman

3 Internationals (assigned JGPs, CS or GPs)-
none yet

Travel Bye (competing the same week as the US Pairs Final) -
5 - Chan/Howe
6 - Williams/Lewer

JGPF/GPF Qualifier -
7 - Flores/Wang

The rest of the teams will have to compete at the Pairs Final to qualify for the 5 remaining spots at Nats -
1 - Cooke/Kennedy
2 - Digerness/Sadusky
3 - Fitzpatrick/Bearinger
4 - Fredette/Siianytsia
5 - Hanns/Neudecker
6 - Korytek/Chapman
7 - Martins/Bedard
8 - Shin/Nagy

It is, of course, possible, that one or more of these teams may be assigned to Warsaw Cup which is the week after the Pairs Final - and thus grant them a travel bye in the process - but I'd think that would only happen for teams that score 175+ this weekend at the NQS, but I wouldn't be holding my breath unless the team looks REALLY good.

 

[BrightSkates]

Your list of Byes is not accurate:

Top 5 @ 2024 Nats -
1 - Kam/O'Shea
2 - Efimova/Mitrofanov
3 - Plazas/Fernandez
Liu/Nagy
4 - McBeath/Parkman

3 Internationals (assigned JGPs, CS or GPs)-
none yet

Travel Bye (competing the same week as the US Pairs Final) -
5 - Chan/Howe
6 - Williams/Lewer

JGPF/GPF Qualifier -
7 - Flores/Wang

The rest of the teams will have to compete at the Pairs Final to qualify for the 5 remaining spots at Nats -
1 - Cooke/Kennedy
2 - Digerness/Sadusky
3 - Fitzpatrick/Bearinger
4 - Fredette/Siianytsia
5 - Hanns/Neudecker
6 - Korytek/Chapman
7 - Martins/Bedard
8 - Shin/Nagy

It is, of course, possible, that one or more of these teams may be assigned to Warsaw Cup which is the week after the Pairs Final - and thus grant them a travel bye in the process - but I'd think that would only happen for teams that score 175+ this weekend at the NQS, but I wouldn't be holding my breath unless the team looks REALLY good.

That's not my bye list that's a mix of bye/they are definitely going to Nationals list based on scores/ISP this season

 

[Karen-W]

That's not my bye list that's a mix of bye/they are definitely going to Nationals list based on scores/ISP this season

Well, I wouldn't have put Shin/Nagy on that list as definitely going to Nats since they haven't competed yet at all, lol. Granted, I think they and Fredette/Siianytsia are, along with Digerness/Sadusky, pretty certain bets to make it if they're anywhere close to decent.

If there are three teams on the outside looking in after the Pairs Final, my bet would be on Cooke/Kennedy, Hanns/Neudecker and Fitzpatrick/Bearinger based on what I've seen of the entire field so far this season.

Also, I really hope some of our Boston-area FSUers will be there and take fancam vids of ShiNagy and FreSiia.

 

[ice coverage]

The rest of the teams will have to compete at the Pairs Final to qualify for the 5 remaining spots at Nats -
1 - Cooke/Kennedy
2 - Digerness/Sadusky
3 - Fitzpatrick/Bearinger
4 - Fredette/Siianytsia
5 - Hanns/Neudecker
6 - Korytek/Chapman
7 - Martins/Bedard
8 - Shin/Nagy

And those who lack one or both tech minimums for 2025 Nats (SP 25.00 and FS 42.00) will need to achieve them at NQS Boston or U.S. Pairs Final. As of now (AFAIK):

Fitzpatrick/Bearinger and Hanns/Neudecker have achieved FS minimum, but not SP minimum (although both pairs have come very close to it).
Martins/Bedard and Cooke/Kennedy have not achieved either minimum.
Shin/Nagy and Fredette/Siianytsia have not competed yet in NQS, and have not had a chance to achieve minimums.

Travel Bye (competing the same week as the US Pairs Final) -
5 - Chan/Howe
6 - Williams/Lewer

Chan/Howe also have a bye to 2025 Nats because they were on 2024 World Team.
(I don't think it hurts to mention it, although my hope of course is that C/H will have no more withdrawals this season.)

 

[BrightSkates]

Well, I wouldn't have put Shin/Nagy on that list as definitely going to Nats since they haven't competed yet at all, lol. Granted, I think they and Fredette/Siianytsia are, along with Digerness/Sadusky, pretty certain bets to make it if they're anywhere close to decent.

If there are three teams on the outside looking in after the Pairs Final, my bet would be on Cooke/Kennedy, Hanns/Neudecker and Fitzpatrick/Bearinger based on what I've seen of the entire field so far this season.

Also, I really hope some of our Boston-area FSUers will be there and take fancam vids of ShiNagy and FreSiia.

Shin/Nagy are on ISP though and both are living/ traning/full access to the OTC. I'm thinking that USFSA definitely knows what's going on with them if they gave them all that privilege.

 

[Karen-W]

Shin/Nagy are on ISP though and both are living/ traning/full access to the OTC. I'm thinking that USFSA definitely knows what's going on with them if they gave them all that privilege.

No, they're not on the ISP - just checked to see if they were recently added and they are not one of the 15 teams listed.

They are not living/training in Colorado Springs unless that is a very recent, unannounced change. They said they would be training with Bruno Marcotte in Oakville when they announced their partnership, but would also spend some time in the Springs.

I have no doubt the USFS knows how they are progressing. Just like they are aware enough of how Fredette/Siianytsia are progressing to have, initially, entered them in John Nicks IPC - which Shin/Nagy were not entered in, by the way.

 

[BrightSkates]

No, they're not on the ISP - just checked to see if they were recently added and they are not one of the 15 teams listed.

They are not living/training in Colorado Springs unless that is a very recent, unannounced change. They said they would be training with Bruno Marcotte in Oakville when they announced their partnership, but would also spend some time in the Springs.

I have no doubt the USFS knows how they are progressing. Just like they are aware enough of how Fredette/Siianytsia are progressing to have, initially, entered them in John Nicks IPC - which Shin/Nagy were not entered in, by the way.

Hmmm. There were several signs they were since they are both at OTC (at least partially) + they were at Champs Camp + They filmed promotional videos for USFSA. I also heard that they do have some sort of funding from USFA.... but maybe I'm early to the party lol

John Nicks was somewhat of a sign up (i.e. Hanns/Neudecker + Fredette/Siianytsia not on ISP) but also there is no way their first competition together would be a Challenger.

Excited to see what they have for Saturday! That will be the true test.

 

[Karen-W]

Hmmm. There were several signs they were since they are both at OTC (at least partially) + they were at Champs Camp + They filmed promotional videos for USFSA. I also heard that they do have some sort of funding from USFA.... but maybe I'm early to the party lol

Well, both EfiMit and McBPark were at Champs Camp last year and yet we all knew they weren't even eligible to be on the ISP until Alisa & Danil got their releases from their previous feds. Given that Audrey was on the ISP for singles & Balasz had been on the ISP for pairs, I'd guess they were invited because there was a certain expectation about their eventual skill level. The USFS has been a bit more open with inviting additional pairs teams to Champs Camp the past few years - probably trying to grow the discipline.

 

[BrightSkates]

Well, both EfiMit and McBPark were at Champs Camp last year and yet we all knew they weren't even eligible to be on the ISP until Alisa & Danil got their releases from their previous feds. Given that Audrey was on the ISP for singles & Balasz had been on the ISP for pairs, I'd guess they were invited because there was a certain expectation about their eventual skill level. The USFS has been a bit more open with inviting additional pairs teams to Champs Camp the past few years - probably trying to grow the discipline.

They also got the new Team USA jackets

 

[Karen-W]

They also got the new Team USA jackets

LOL - welllllll, if you read the USFS Int'l Assignments thread, you'll recall that those jackets can be purchased for a cool $300!

 

[ice coverage]

LOL - welllllll, if you read the USFS Int'l Assignments thread, you'll recall that those jackets can be purchased for a cool $300!

But I do not think the meaning of the post over there was that USFS would allow a non-ISP skater to purchase a Team USA jacket?

I think the meaning was: After USFS adds a skater to ISP, the new ISP skater does not receive a Team USA jacket for free -- the new ISP skater needs to purchase the earned Team USA jacket.

(ETA: BTW, crzesk8dad said cost of Team USA jacket is $200, which still is a notable out-of-pocket expense.)​

Changing the subject ... I forgot to say in my previous post that I am happy for William Church that his new partnership has been successful! In this season's JGP rankings, Hansen/Church ended up as the second highest U.S. pair (after Flores/Wang) and as second alternates to JGPF.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

LOL - welllllll, if you read the USFS Int'l Assignments thread, you'll recall that those jackets can be purchased for a cool $300!

I’m getting myself one. And also a team germany

 

[TanithandBenFan]

Katie McBeath and Daniil Parkman were interviewed on This Week in Skating. I loved hearing Daniil's feelings about his first U.S. Nationals

This Week in Skating / Interview with Katie McBeath and Daniil Parkman

Podcast Episode · This Week in Skating Podcast · 10/03/2024 · 58m

podcasts.apple.com

They also strongly hinted that they have a new short program, different from the one they did at the John Nicks competition.

 

[Karen-W]

ShiNagy are definitely still in Oakville some of the time -

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[farahfan]

I don’t have access to streaming or commentary on Shanghai Trophy, but are Chan/Howe kind of still recovering from injury? I saw that their scores were pretty low.

 

[Karen-W]

I don’t have access to streaming or commentary on Shanghai Trophy, but are Chan/Howe kind of still recovering from injury? I saw that their scores were pretty low.

Here are my notes from the SP and FS from KnC -

SP - yikes. That was a rough season debut. 3tw was okay; she wiped out on the throw 3lo - they had a TON of speed going into it; SBS 3t - she bailed out on it after 2.5 revs? Lift seemed fine; SBS spins were a hot mess and totally out of synch. Her concussion must have really slowed them down because this looked way under-prepared. Maybe they'll look better in a few weeks at SCI.

FS - well, Emily's still missing her jumps, and they're still shaking off the competition rust, but they have the bones of a beautiful program to Andrea Bocelli's "Io Ci Saro" if they can clean up the jump issues. SBS 2t+2a; SBS 2s; 3tw - good; hand down on throw 3f; death spiral much better today; excellent first lift; step out on the throw 3f; pairs combo spin was really short & had no value; the rest of the program was solid.

I think some of the issues in the SP were just pure adrenaline rush, but some could be related to her concussion recovery - especially the spin issues which are not usually a problem for them.

 

[Sylvia]

Was there a coach with Emily & Spencer in Shanghai? I don't recall. Letov was with von Felten at her JGP and Ganicheva may be busy with the final NQS going on now in Norwood/Boston.

 

[Karen-W]

Was there a coach with Emily & Spencer in Shanghai? I don't recall. Letov was with von Felten at her JGP and Ganicheva may be busy with the final NQS going on now in Norwood/Boston.

Oh, gosh, I don't recall whether or not they had a coach with them. That could definitely have been a factor for them this week. They did bounce back somewhat in the FS compared to the SP, so that's why I'm chalking this up to a combination of competition rust, adrenaline and not as fully trained as they'd like given her concussion.

 

[Jammers]

I don’t have access to streaming or commentary on Shanghai Trophy, but are Chan/Howe kind of still recovering from injury? I saw that their scores were pretty low.

People have to remember that this team had competed exactly one time since Worlds in 2023 so i'm going to cut them a break and see how they are by Nationals.