I'd support that. Especially in men, they only have one spot at Euros, but at least 3 good male skaters (Aleksandr Selevko, Mihhail Selevko, Arlet Levandi).I wonder if Estonia will get a host spot(s) for hosting 4CC? Even with Euros the week prior, some of their skaters may want to do both competitions (cough Kiibus cough). And even if not, Estonia has enough depth in singles where they could definitely send a B team to 4CC if they were allocated a spot or two.
How could we not, thanks to your persistent reminders?Sometimes I really think some North Americans here do not get how prestigious Europeans is for European skaters and how prestigious it is to host the event prior to an Olympics.
There are sports that don't hold their World Championships during an Olympic year. I don't think it's unreasonable for the ISU to look at the schedule and decide not to hold 4CCs/Euros in an Olympic year. If it had always been that way and the ISU said they were going to hold them anyway, lots of people would be up in arms about that. It's often what we're used to that forms our opinions about how it should be.I must note that Phil Hersh replied to me on Twitter that 4Cs is "not necessary in an Oly year." I'm too busy at work today to get into an argument with him but feel free to pick up!
Bizarre.The International Skating Union is the international sport federation administering Ice Skating sports throughout the world.isu.org
It's Tallin, Estonia. I'm not kidding.
I thought they did when Z/E finished second and P/K and B/K competed at Europeans, but Wikipedia says Z/E WD and P/K were substitutes. Also, that in one of the more recent Women's rankings based on their test skate results, they did the same, but, I don't even know where to start to try to find that, so I'll just say, you are right, and I am wrong, and the Russian Fed never used Euros as a skate-off.When?
This. I happen to enjoy the up and coming 4th to 6th Dance Teams in the US and Canada. Same thing with the singles, but then obviously including Japanese and Korean singles skaters. Pairs: exactly the same thing. Canada and the US (and China, but I'm not sure any Chinese will come at all) have excellent pairs in the second tier (in fact their Nationals still have to decide and it's pretty close for some). And having some nice Dance Teams from Japan (two?) and Korea (also two? although I'm not sure the youngest can already attend). Let's not forget the Australians either. They've got a lovely up and coming pairs team who may not have got one of the three spots for the OG but definitely made an excellent impression.Whichever teams finish 4th-6th at US Nats will be sent for dance, guaranteed.
US and Japan will send their 4th-6th place singles also (and it will still be a really strong competition with those skaters).
Korea will have a 4CCs ranking competition for the men and women who don't get sent to the Olympics.
Canada, the US and China will send their 3rd & 4th place pairs to this competition also.
Better travel time for the Central Asian skaters to Tallinn than anywhere else, so there is that upside.
Euros has been used as a deciding event, but typically this was done to choose between a country's top skaters. Examples I can recall are the Italian women in 2010 (Marchei was national champion, Kostner won Euros and went to Vancouver) and the French men in 2002 (Joubert was third at both Nationals and Euros, which got him additional assignments).I'll just say, you are right, and I am wrong, and the Russian Fed never used Euros as a skate-off.
That Aussie pair is scheduled to compete this week at JGP7 in Linz. Maybe they’ll improve on their 5th place at JGP Krasnoyarsk?....). Let's not forget the Australians either. They've got a lovely up and coming pairs team who may not have got one of the three spots for the OG b....
If US and Canada require a skate-off, then I'm sure Tallinn will be a 'stop over' en route to China, though it's a few weeks before the start of the games. If they can't have a base near Beijing, maybe stay a while in Europe, before continuing to Beijing. That's the only way I could see it working, because I definitely would not want to go to Europe, back to NA, then to Asia within a one month period, and would definitely not be at my peak with all that travel (and potential exposure to the Voldemort ***** (since we can't say its name), or even a cold or flu.Haven't some countries used 4CC as the final selection criteria for their Olympic spots?
Seems pretty necessary in an Olympic year to me.
Tell that to all the ice dancers in Montreal or the European skaters training in California or New Jersey.It's obvious, but the biggest issues with 4CCs are time and distance. Europeans have a distinct advantage with that regard, so it is much easier to participate in both Euros and Olympics.
You need to get a better memory
Wow. So, you're already assuming that C-G/L and L/M will lose to C/J at Nationals? Sorry but, nah... We'll have a better idea of how C-G/L are looking against C/J after this weekend but I don't think we can assume that whatever shape Ashley is in from her C19 recovery now is the same shape she will be in by January. And Lu/Mitrofanov are more than capable if hitting their jumps when the rest of the field doesn't. Though I'm not sure what Mitrofanov's citizenship status is so where they place at Nats might be irrelevant.I am thankful for Estonia and also that more people don't think like Phil Hersh. I am glad for Cain/Leduc, Lu/Mitrofanov, Liu/O'Shea in Pairs, and C/P, G/P, and presumably C/Y in Dance, and US Men and Women 4-6. Also glad for whichever Canadian Pairs, Women, and Men finish 3-5 at Nats and Dance finishers 4-6. As well JPN and all the other 4CC countries sending skaters...