2021 Worlds RD - Dancing Quarantine

MsZem

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They could but will need some help from errors of the polish, and maybe one of the russians/americans, thats a lot
Yeah, the skating order won't help. They'll have to really knock it out of the park and hope for some help from others, and then we can conclude the annual ritual of which Spanish team is more deserving, because they both are.
 

allezfred

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France would lose a spot, but Britain and Poland would both gain one (pending qualification, which I don't think Poland could manage), so whoever finishes twentieth would be out of luck.
France losing a spot has been a given since Papadakis/Cizeron withdrew from Worlds which is why I said all countries that qualified to the free would earn an Olympic quota place. As the British and Polish teams are the only ones from their respective countries here, the Olympic quota places allotted go to the countries that are here at Worlds first. At the moment and it is unlikely to change that means Ukraine will get a spot.

If they remain in the Top 10, Great Britain and Poland earn the right to send different teams to Nebelhorn to pick up another spot.
 

rfisher

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So, ignorant question: if one of those teams earn the right to go to Nebelhorn, but don't because they don't have anyone to send, does the "right" default to the next on the list?

Nebelhorn is going to be the biggest event of the season next to the Olympics. :lol: Those tickets are going to sell out fast.
 

tony

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So, ignorant question: if one of those teams earn the right to go to Nebelhorn, but don't because they don't have anyone to send, does the "right" default to the next on the list?
No. It still goes by the 13/28 rule. So if you aren’t getting the chance at multiples here, you won’t get it later.
 

Braulio

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So, ignorant question: if one of those teams earn the right to go to Nebelhorn, but don't because they don't have anyone to send, does the "right" default to the next on the list?

No, they will lose the option but that wont be passed to any other country
 

VGThuy

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France earned two spots in pairs at 2017 Worlds, but returned one. That went into the pot for extra quota places at Nebelhorn with much :drama: from some American posters here.
We Americans sure were dramatic! And look at what we did...we got a rule change; one that people seem to be complaining about now because it's kind of confusing and they may have misread the rule.
 

allezfred

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We Americans sure were dramatic! And look at what we did...we got a rule change; one that people seem to be complaining about now because it's kind of confusing and they may have misread the rule.
The rule changed was passed at ISU congress by the majority of ISU member federations so it was not just the US who got it changed. ;)
 

GoneWithTheWind

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Guignard and Fabbri's original RD was so much better than this and they switched it almost immediately.:wuzrobbed
They were skating to Paramour, and I can't remember if I liked it, but at least it wasn't Grease. It was different, and maybe they thought the judges didn't get it.
Late to the party in replying but in a couple of articles Charlene and Marco said they received feedback from several judges saying that Paramour wasn't very effective and implying that they should change the music to something more recognizable. They really wanted to carry on with their original choice, but decided that, if the judges were not happy with Paramour, they'd have to change it in order to score better.
It made me a bit irritated, TBH, as why shouldn't ice dancers use unusual music? As long as it meets the requirements for the RD and they are interpreting it well, what difference does it make if it's a different/uncommon musical? How are we ever going to get different music if, when teams try something different, the judges turn around and tell them to go with something more common?

Sorry for the long/slightly ranty post!
 

Theatregirl1122

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It made me a bit irritated, TBH, as why shouldn't ice dancers use unusual music? As long as it meets the requirements for the RD and they are interpreting it well, what difference does it make if it's a different/uncommon musical?

Or doesn't, TBH, since lots of people are using things that explicitly do not meet the requirements and no one seems to care.
 

Doggygirl

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So can anyone explain why ice dance pairs with a small (2-4 inch) height difference always wind up looking like the girl is taller than the boy when they are skating? Is it due to knee bend or are the guys just tinier than their bios say?
I think it has to do with proportions. Men’s waists tend to be proportionally lower and their legs shorter. So even though Charlene is a couple of inches shorter than Marco, her waist is probably higher than his and her legs longer. At least that is always what I have thought watching them and also Hawayek/ Baker.
 

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I don't understand all the hate the Polish team receives on FSU every time they compete. They are a very short team and she is built more like a power gymnast, so they will never achieve the long elegant lines as the teams in the top of the sport. However, they have been judged by many different technical panels and tend to place close or among the top 10 teams over and over. They are late season skaters, meaning it usually takes them most of the season to get there. Since everyone is repeating programs this year, they are already there. Mark Hanretty mentioned their coach was a technical specialist. If true, that probably accounts for their high TES.

Top Four:
All four programs are excellent! Before you anoint the medals, there are a lot of twizzles yet to come.

"Singing in the Rain" always sells well. That's why so many skaters have used it. Whether you are Keegan, Midori or SinKats, the music brings out the smiles. The program is very well polished and yes, the expression is over the top, but I think judges know the music and love the show! And Zhulin has put tons of effort into this program.

So glad HD switched out the "Daddy" program. Not a huge fan of "Burlesque", but it doesn't make me cringe. Maddie can really sell this style. And their new free dance is very music friendly.

"Too darn hot!" It's always all about her! And the dress makes that perfectly clear. (Pun intended) I agree the skills of this team have massively improved, but I would like to see a program a little more about him. Bring on the snake tomorrow!

Piper and Paul actually have my favorite program! (Along with the Wang and Liu's matching Charlie Chaplins). Their choreography is engaging with some very unique touches. Their free dance music is also pleasing to members of my generation.

It was so entertaining to see ALL the dance programs today. I hope we never have to experience another year without opportunities to see our favorite international sport during the season. Looking forward to tomorrow and all the criticism about placements. Snarky or not, I do enjoy reading your comments. Not too many "experts" among us. Just how many times has Tony had to explain the Olympic qualifying process on this board?
 

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You would think, after a year of basically no international ice dance, I would be so thrilled to just see all these teams skate that the sense of joy would overpower all other emotions.


Nope. I very much enjoyed performances today & appreciated how prepared most of the teams are/were considering the unpredictable & crazy training conditions in which athletes have been preparing. But my predominant reaction to the competition today is still I hate this new scoring system.

Really, what is the point of holding competitions in which a. the judges can't tell when the athletes aren't reaching their levels and b. the technical calls can't come close to outweighing GOE marks from judges who can't tell when athletes aren't reaching their levels. The actual performance on the day should make a difference at an event in which so many top athletes, so closely ranked to one another, are competing against one another. And it should make a difference all the way through the ranks from the top to the bottom. (If a is not possible, and it doesn't seem to be, then b needs to be fixed).
 

thvu

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That's hardly a new scoring system though. 🤷‍♀️
It is for dance. They not only changed to ±5 for GOE, but reworked the actual points teams could earn from GOE. They also adjusted the point difference between levels for elements. Far more power now rests in the judging panel scores than in the calls of the technical panel.
The GOEs for just the choreographic elements are about 9% of an FD score. It might as well be a new scoring system post 2018.
 

VGThuy

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It is for dance. They not only changed to ±5 for GOE, but reworked the actual points teams could earn from GOE. They also adjusted the point difference between levels for elements. Far more power now rests in the judging panel scores than in the calls of the technical panel.
The GOEs for just the choreographic elements are about 9% of an FD score. It might as well be a new scoring system post 2018.
Exactly. It has totally changed the dynamic of ice dance competitions, minimized the major effect of errors and has brought some semblance of old school ice dance ranking back. It was always there but the callers always had a way to overpower it. Not so much now.
 

Cherub721

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It is for dance. They not only changed to ±5 for GOE, but reworked the actual points teams could earn from GOE. They also adjusted the point difference between levels for elements. Far more power now rests in the judging panel scores than in the calls of the technical panel.
The GOEs for just the choreographic elements are about 9% of an FD score. It might as well be a new scoring system post 2018.

I think the "different levels for each partner" thing (while pairs continue to go by whichever partner did worse) is also there to mitigate the damage from favored teams making mistakes. :shuffle:
 

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