2021 Russian Nationals Ladies FS

hanca

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We all know the Russian ladies depth is insane, but you don't really, really appreciate it until they all skate back to back. It sucks for Daria that she won't get a junior world title this year.
Usacheva would not get junior world title because she would have to beat Valieva. Valieva is still senior ineligible so she would go to junior worlds.
 

Kateri

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There are only a couple of ladies in the world capable of scoring above 80 points in TES. 80 as PCS factoring is correct.

And given the high PCS for anybody with quads who skates cleanly, it almost certainly wouldn't make a difference anyway.
I mean, only 5 men got above 80TES in the LP. 4 ladies did, and 3 of them scored higher than the men's event winner.
 

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SIMPLY THE GRANDEST DAY OF WATCHING FIGURE SKATING IN MY LIFE!!!! Wowee! :cheer2:

Spectacular top three - make that top four.

RUSSIA RULES!!! 🇷🇺

That said, can’t wait to see the top Japanese ladies at my 3am tomorrow morn. 🇯🇵

p.s. Loved the Russian Pairs and Japanese Men, too. 💕 Total joy in my soul. A great ending to a terrible year. On to 2021. HAPPY NEW YEAR! S’ NOVYM GODOM!!! 🥂
 
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GOLD Anna SHCHERBAKOVA MOS 264.10 1 1
SILVER Kamila VALIEVA MOS 254.01 2 2
BRONZE Alexandra TRUSOVA MOS 246.37 4 3
4 Daria USACHEVA MOS 230.56 3 4
5 Maiia KHROMYKH MOS 211.91 7 5
6 Elizaveta NUGUMANOVA SPB 204.63 6 9
7 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA SPB 204.25 5 10
8 Ksenia TSIBINOVA MOS 203.56 9 6
9 Maria TALALAIKINA SPB 197.32 11 7
10 Sofia SAMODUROVA SPB 196.28 10 11
11 Anna FROLOVA MOS 187.13 16 8
12 Anastasiia GULIAKOVA SPB 185.75 8 14
13 Stanislava MOLCHANOVA KRA 184.64 12 12
14 Anastasia TARAKANOVA MOS 175.58 15 13
15 Arina ONISHCHENKO SPB 169.17 14 15
16 Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA SPB 168.33 13 17
17 Valeria KOSTINA TUL 161.43 17 16

FS protocols: https://fsrussia.ru/results/2021/rusnat2021/ENG/Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

Pl.NameNationTSS
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TES
+
PCS
+
SSTRPECOINDeduction
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StN.
1​
Anna SHCHERBAKOVA
MOS​
183.79​
106.70​
77.09​
9.57​
9.43​
9.82​
9.68​
9.68​
0.00​
#16​
2​
Kamila VALIEVA
MOS​
174.02​
97.70​
76.32​
9.43​
9.36​
9.61​
9.68​
9.61​
0.00​
#15​
3​
Alexandra TRUSOVA
MOS​
170.61​
97.75​
72.86​
9.04​
8.86​
9.32​
9.14​
9.18​
0.00​
#14​
4​
Daria USACHEVA
MOS​
153.84​
80.93​
72.91​
9.04​
9.00​
9.14​
9.21​
9.18​
0.00​
#17​
5​
Maiia KHROMYKH
MOS​
138.98​
73.75​
66.23​
8.32​
8.21​
8.18​
8.36​
8.32​
1.00​
#11​
6​
Ksenia TSIBINOVA
MOS​
134.72​
71.53​
63.19​
7.82​
7.71​
8.04​
7.96​
7.96​
0.00​
#10​
7​
Maria TALALAIKINA
SPB​
133.43​
69.53​
63.90​
7.86​
7.71​
8.14​
8.11​
8.11​
0.00​
#6​
8​
Anna FROLOVA
MOS​
133.43​
70.89​
62.54​
7.79​
7.64​
7.89​
7.89​
7.89​
0.00​
#3​
9​
Elizaveta NUGUMANOVA
SPB​
131.37​
64.45​
66.92​
8.36​
8.11​
8.39​
8.46​
8.50​
0.00​
#12​
10​
Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA
SPB​
130.69​
61.28​
70.41​
8.86​
8.68​
8.71​
8.93​
8.82​
1.00​
#13​
11​
Sofia SAMODUROVA
SPB​
128.58​
62.07​
66.51​
8.25​
8.04​
8.39​
8.43​
8.46​
0.00​
#8​
12​
Stanislava MOLCHANOVA
KRA​
122.66​
60.36​
62.30​
7.79​
7.54​
7.75​
8.00​
7.86​
0.00​
#7​
13​
Anastasia TARAKANOVA
MOS​
119.60​
61.91​
58.69​
7.57​
7.25​
7.21​
7.36​
7.29​
1.00​
#1​
14​
Anastasiia GULIAKOVA
SPB​
115.51​
51.74​
63.77​
8.14​
7.86​
7.71​
8.18​
7.96​
0.00​
#9​
15​
Arina ONISHCHENKO
SPB​
112.83​
60.53​
52.30​
6.61​
6.36​
6.64​
6.54​
6.54​
0.00​
#5​
16​
Valeria KOSTINA
TUL​
110.76​
59.80​
50.96​
6.50​
6.21​
6.39​
6.46​
6.29​
0.00​
#2​
17​
Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA
SPB​
106.78​
45.22​
61.56​
7.93​
7.61​
7.39​
7.86​
7.68​
0.00​
#4​
 

Sylvia

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HUGE 4T, seriously she stopped the rotation and then put her blade down. Just insane.

I like this program more than most, I think. But still curious about the flip. It was the only possible flaw I saw.
3Fq+1Eu+3S for Valieva - only judge #6 gave negative GOE (-2).
 

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It looks Nugumanova finally got herself on the Russian national team. Unless they give one spot to Kostornaya and Nugumanova will be again in reserve?

And Tuktamysheva, with her gold GP medal, will she be off the national team?
 

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It looks Nugumanova finally got herself on the Russian national team. Unless they give one spot to Kostornaya and Nugumanova will be again in reserve?

And Tuktamysheva, with her gold GP medal, will she be off the national team?
Given the circumstances, I think the Russian fed said they were gonna hold more competitions later, to help decide.
 

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What an incredible competition! This is why I watch the Russian nationals. Brilliant skating by the top three and very good by many others. Anna Shcherbakova was incredible. Her coaches were crying at the end. Valieva was great. Yagudin was in tears. I was so happy for Trusova! She did only two quads (both lutzes) but she skated a clean and more complete than ever LP. She will need two more quads if she wants to win and I am not sure even that will be enough.

I was blown away by Anna. I had worried about her stamina, coming off the illness, but she is tough as nails. Absolutely brilliant performance.

I was really proud of Liza for delivering the LP. I thought they punished her too much for the step out of her first 3A. She doubled the 3R but the fact that she gave it her all makes me respect her a lot. Her LP had much better choreography than in the past and she has developed a lot on the artistic side. In Russia that won’t be enough to go to the Olympics or worlds and that is a pity.

I did not like it that they invited the whole Eteri team, including Usacheva (4th place) for the interview. Anna and Kamila deserved it of course. They should have invited Trusova who also skated great and won the bronze. It would have been more appropriate to interview all three medallists than to invite only Eteri’s skaters. I a, not even a Eteri hater nut it really bothered me.
 

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I did not like it that they invited the whole Eteri team, including Usacheva (4th place) for the interview. Anna and Kamila deserved it of course. They should have invited Trusova who also skated great and won the bronze. It would have been more appropriate to interview all three medallists than to invite only Eteri’s skaters. I a, not even a Eteri hater nut it really bothered me.
While you’re bothered by just about everything this weekend, including your computer/internet connection that have a conspiracy against you, I think this situation was more-so because they were all standing right there, and the interviewer didn’t want to leave Usacheva out. So.. have a drink.
 

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I'd feel sorry for Liza and her Olympic dream, but I don't think she feels sorry for herself, but even if she'd been 100% here, it wouldn't matter. She just doesn't have the technical arsenal the younger skaters have. It will be interesting to see what she decides to do going forth career wise. She's popular in Russia and can skate in shows as long as she wants.
 

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I'd feel sorry for Liza and her Olympic dream, but I don't think she feels sorry for herself, but even if she'd been 100% here, it wouldn't matter. She just doesn't have the technical arsenal the younger skaters have. It will be interesting to see what she decides to do going forth career wise. She's popular in Russia and can skate in shows as long as she wants.
The thing is that if she gets the 4T consistent enough, can tack on a 3T, does an additional 4T, and her two 3A, she's still in the picture. She's shown some small improvements in her all-around quality this year, and I don't think she's the type that will just be satisfied with non-competitive TES.

Of course, her spins and footwork being slowish and not hitting levels or GOE is another thing, but the PCS isn't going to have her that far behind if she is able to throw all of that TES in jump-wise.
 

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The thing is that if she gets the 4T consistent enough, can tack on a 3T, does an additional 4T, and her two 3A, she's still in the picture. She's shown some small improvements in her all-around quality this year, and I don't think she's the type that will just be satisfied with non-competitive TES.

Of course, her spins and footwork being slowish and not hitting levels or GOE is another thing, but the PCS isn't going to have her that far behind if she is able to throw all of that TES in jump-wise.
She's been getting all L3s and L4s in her spins the last couple of competitions. She's definitely putting the work in!
 

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The thing is that if she gets the 4T consistent enough, can tack on a 3T, does an additional 4T, and her two 3A, she's still in the picture. She's shown some small improvements in her all-around quality this year, and I don't think she's the type that will just be satisfied with non-competitive TES.

Of course, her spins and footwork being slowish and not hitting levels or GOE is another thing, but the PCS isn't going to have her that far behind if she is able to throw all of that TES in jump-wise.
We've been saying IF for the past three years. Tuk has the worst luck and bad timing I've ever seen which has to make it all the more frustrating for her. When she's on a roll, she gets hit with illness that knocks her out of contention, but she shakes it off and comes back for more. I would never suggest she should quit competing. She should do exactly what she wants to do, but she is branching out into other income producing avenues including her own clothing line. Mishin says she'll compete as long as she wants to, so, if they're pleased, good for her. I do wonder though if Mishin will indeed focus his attention on the skater who does have an excellent chance at not only going to the Olympics, but a long shot at being on the podium. But, Russian ladies are no ladies. They are warrior women.
 

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Wait I just realized that since 3 skaters are not age eligible, Nugu is in the top 3 of the seniors, which is really a tremendous accomplishment for her, and if there were a European championship she'd have a shot at going(probably in a battle against Tuk and Kost). This has been such a great nationals for her.
 

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I'd feel sorry for Liza and her Olympic dream, but I don't think she feels sorry for herself, but even if she'd been 100% here, it wouldn't matter. She just doesn't have the technical arsenal the younger skaters have. It will be interesting to see what she decides to do going forth career wise. She's popular in Russia and can skate in shows as long as she wants.
But she does have the technical arsenal. She has exactly the same jumps as Valieva - triple axel and quad toe. The difference is that she is not risking the quad (while Valieva did risk the 3A). She is also not judges favourite, so while Valieva was forgiven the mistake in the SP, but Liza would not be forgiven any mistakes. That’s probably the reason why she is not risking the quad. But she has been ill recently, so the timing of this competition did not help her; that may be the reason for her mistakes on the 3A.
 

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Anna is an incredible fighter - after yesterday I wasn't even sure if she could make it through the FS. That said, I hope skating while sick won't be normalized just because she had a great skate today.

This is the best skate Kamila has had with this program, for the first time I found it quite watchable.

I enjoyed Sasha's program the most among top 3 and I think reducing the number of quads is a right move for her.
 

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I enjoyed Sasha's program the most among top 3 and I think reducing the number of quads is a right move for her.
Reducing the number of quads on this occasion might have been good for her because after the last competition she did need some competition where she skates clean. But if she wants to beat Scherbakova and Valieva, she will have to add some more quads. The judges have their favourites and she is not one of them. To win, she must have such TES that they won’t be able to hold their favourites with GOE and PCS. Two more quads should do it, but she will still have to be clean.
 

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Reducing the number of quads on this occasion might have been good for her because after the last competition she did need some competition where she skates clean. But if she wants to beat Scherbakova and Valieva, she will have to add some more quads. The judges have their favourites and she is not one of them. To win, she must have such TES that they won’t be able to hold their favourites with GOE and PCS. Two more quads should do it, but she will still have to be clean.
I agree. Usually she does the 4t Eu 3t combination is the second half, but after the SP (clean but scored lpower than a flawed Usacheva) and her multiple falls in her last competition it was important for her to deliver two clean programs, and she did. Good strategy. She is capable of skating a 4-5 quads program but she will have to build up to it. This competition showed her progress as a more complete skater than she was in the past.
 
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Reducing the number of quads on this occasion might have been good for her because after the last competition she did need some competition where she skates clean. But if she wants to beat Scherbakova and Valieva, she will have to add some more quads. The judges have their favourites and she is not one of them. To win, she must have such TES that they won’t be able to hold their favourites with GOE and PCS. Two more quads should do it, but she will still have to be clean.
I agree too. Sasha's quad toes are excellent and if she added two of them with the lutzes along with a 3 axel. She only needs one 3 axels and 3 to 4 quads to win. Her spins have improved. I'm proud of Sasha and she's my favorite for the reason that her competitiveness is inspiring. Plushy needs to get stronger in politics because even I think Trusova was underscored a bit technically. Her SP in particular should have been higher.

Overall, absolutely an incredible ladies competition. The last 3 brought it in spades.

Anna S is amazing. Her competitiveness is borderline legendary. I thought Evgenia was the most competitive female skater I'd seen, but Anna rises to the occasion in big competitions over the last two years like I've never seen. Only her team knows. All of the coaches were emotional which means Anna has exceeded their expectations.

Kamila is way over scored for me even thought her quad toes are spectacular. The GOE in the other jumps were over scored.
 

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