2020 U.S. Presidential Election

VGThuy

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Yes, that much I agree. Especially when the US and CCP from China are looming over our sea. This is why so many people here are worried about the US election.

Your perspective is interesting because a lot of Vietnamese-Americans here are voting for Trump because they think he's "strong" on China and will stop China from bullying Southeast Asia. So many Viet-American Biden supporters are trying to argue how that's not the case, but then we get yelled at, called traitors (women get called "traitor bitch!"), and being told to obey or go China/Vietnam and be "communists" there. Those Trump supporters tend to be older or have little education.
 

VGThuy

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Anyway, since we're talking about children of Presidential candidates making business deals and using their family in high political positions to gain access:


Even Fox News is covering Ivanka's shady deals.

Ivanka was awarded trademarks from China in 2017, 2018 and 2019 as her dad negotiated with Xi. Meanwhile US farmers fell into bankruptcy & US manufacturing entered a full year recession in 2019 ahead of the #TrumpCrash of 2020.
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Trump himself has received hundreds of millions in loans from foreign powers, millions in direct business, and he and Ivanka have been gifted trademarks from China in the midst of trade discussions. All of this is a flagrant violation of the Constitution.
 

caseyedwards

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Yes, but you know a lot about politics and you should realize that just because the most visible people are endorsing Biden doesn't mean bubble America won't change their ways-- because, after all, they know best. MAGA tends to love anyone that sides with their own personal views and the minute anyone from their side slightly disagrees, they are public enemy number 1.
I believe any Trump supporters would be more likely to be independent than republican. Because it was their hatred of republicans that would lead millions to stay home and not vote for Romney and McCain but vote for Trump. Trump is trump and Maga and not republican

And you can see here how republicans working for trump are actually working for Biden here
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/19/politics/donald-trump-anthony-fauci-********/index.html


 

Meoima

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Your perspective is interesting because a lot of Vietnamese-Americans here are voting for Trump because they think he's "strong" on China and will stop China from bullying Southeast Asia. So many Viet-American Biden supporters are trying to argue how that's not the case, but then we get yelled at, called traitors (women get called "traitor bitch!"), and being told to obey or go China/Vietnam and be "communists" there. Those Trump supporters tend to be older or have little education.
It’s just ridiculous because they don’t live in Southeast Asia. Their main source is from people with same mindset as them I guess. I mean... I have no idea why they think supporting the Dems means supporting communists. The world has passed that phase. It’s authoritarianism not “communism”. They should update their understanding on the world politics.
 

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One thing that worries me is I have an evangelical friend who sometimes livestreams his reactions to Trump rallies. He literally laughs the entire time. He seems to think of it as an adorable comedy act. I don;t see anything funny in the racist ranting but there is a portion of the population that seems to think it's adorable. And I don't quite know what to make of that.
 

Meoima

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Then perhaps you shouldn't be pontificating on the subject. :shuffle:
??? Because I see Americans on Twitter voting for their favorite president with that reason? Like... how is the Dems’ policy communism to them? I am confused.
 

Sparks

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There is an old belief that Democrats are really Socialists. It some twisted way, in their minds Socialism = Communism.
It's crazy.
 

ballettmaus

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The biggest state to watch for IMO is Michigan. It was polling closer than Pennsylvania for a long time, and this is why I cannot understand the logic of Trump going after the Governor to try and help his case.

There is no logic.

I just saw a Trump ad on TV in NYC. Why??? That's just a poor allocation of resources.

For the same reason I've seen ads in Northern Virginia?

I'm under the impression that he's convinced himself of certain things and tells his campaign to act accordingly and they just do it.
 

Vagabond

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??? Because I see Americans on Twitter voting for their favorite president with that reason? Like... how is the Dems’ policy communism to them? I am confused.
You were discussing Vietnamese-Americans. Vietnamese-Americans (especially older ones) tend to vote for Republicans for very clear reasons, many of which @VGThuy mentions in her posts here in PI. If you don't understand the history of this group, then you should not purport to know better than they do. You should educate yourself first so that you can have more informed opinions.
 

BlueRidge

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You were discussing Vietnamese-Americans. Vietnamese-Americans (especially older ones) tend to vote for Republicans for very clear reasons, many of which @VGThuy mentions in her posts here in PI. If you don't understand the history of this group, then you should not purport to know better than they do. You should educate yourself first so that you can have more informed opinions.
@Meoima is criticizing them for thinking Dems are communists. I think that she can do that without knowing why they think the Dems are communists.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. I can guess at why they persist in believing Dems are communists but I don't really know, but I certainly will criticize them for not evaluating who the Dems are and seeing they are not communists. There's really no excuse for anyone to push something so far from the truth.
 

Meoima

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You were discussing Vietnamese-Americans. Vietnamese-Americans (especially older ones) tend to vote for Republicans for very clear reasons, many of which @VGThuy mentions in her posts here in PI. If you don't understand the history of this group, then you should not purport to know better than they do. You should educate yourself first so that you can have more informed opinions.
Ehm... I think you overrate how much outsiders understand about Americans in general. Thanks to the internet and Hollywood, yes we do know more about the US compared to many other countries. But you have to actually live there and experience what people there see day by day (and not for just a few weeks but for years), to "understand/truly feel" why some policies work there and some not.
And yes, I know that the folks who support Red think that Blue folks are communism and so on. I know that Vietnamese-Americans vote for the Rep side because they think that would help crack down the CCP. However, from here I do not see how that would work.
I do not understand "why" because I do not "feel the lives/policies there", because I have never been to US, never experienced the Dems' policies to get a view why some people in the US think socialists and communists are the same.
 

Dobre

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With regard to the president's attacking of the Michigan governor . . .

In states with democratic governors, republicans are treating the governors as the enemy. They think that by blaming the governors/Democrats for closing businesses, Republicans will win votes. This is true with the social media posts and ads/interviews I have heard from Republicans in Washington, Oregon, and California. (Plus governors have to face recall efforts staged by Republicans). My opinion of this behavior is that it is lazy & cheap. The truth, IMO, is that the Republican leaders here who are vocal in this manner don't want the responsibility for protecting people's lives. They are taking advantage of governors having to make safety decisions for the entire populace in order to try to gain political traction.

Anyway, Republicans who plan to vote for Trump in many of these states see it as a vote against their own governor. (Biden doesn't even enter into the equation for some of them).
 

MacMadame

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I am not American though. I do not share my nationality with them so... If I want to mention the humanity I would have used the word "human being", right? Or maybe my English is not good enough, sorry. I am not a native speaker.
It was completely understandable to me.

As a result, to Republicans, these do not rise to the level concern that the mere possibility of a home invasion or a territorial invasion do.
But home invasions and territorial invasions aren't happening to them personally either.
 

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There is an old belief that Democrats are really Socialists. It some twisted way, in their minds Socialism = Communism.
It's crazy.

Also, I've read in a couple of places that the GOP really expected Bernie Sanders to get the nomination, and had already come up with campaign talking points to run against him. They weren't able to pivot. The fliers that the GOP sent me last month (before they finally wised up and realized they were wasting their money... or maybe they were sick of me mailing it back to them torn up), all had Biden pictured with Bernie, AOC and Ilan Omar, as if to make the association that the so called "radical left" was controlling him.

In more positive news, my 79 year old mother, who at some point in her life was a vote-straight ticket Republican (I think the first time she ever voted for a Democrat was Obama in 2008), now is so much a Democrat that she asked me last night to send her a list of Democratic Senatorial races where there was still a chance to flip the seat, so that she could donate to their campaigns.
 

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But home invasions and territorial invasions aren't happening to them personally either.
Obviously. But the webpage to which I link explains that Republicans tend to worry about those things because they think they would threaten their personal security. It's not logical; it's emotional.
 

Simone411

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So this man, Dr. Atlas, had tweeted about masks not being necessary. I was watching CNN, and from what I understand, his tweet was deleted because it was false.

I keep thinking about the attempts in 2017 about the Republicans trying to roll back the ACA which would have harmed the healthcare of Senior Citizens, People with Disabilities and even the Veterans of our country.

That was when senior citizens, disabled people, etc. had Medicaid and were living in Nursing homes began to worry. There were articles and even stories on the news about those residents in the nursing homes crying because they knew they wouldn't have a place to live if their Medicaid was taken away from them. It actually would have been sort of like a chain reaction because if all residents in the nursing homes lost their Medicaid, CNA's and Nurses would have lost their jobs and the Nursing Homes would have also had to shut down.

In my case, and many others that were disabled and lived at home, they would have been in a predicament also. Like me and thousands of others that received Social Security Disability, there was a possibility that we would have lost our full subsidies from Medicaid that paid for our Medicare Part B premiums. I would have had to drop Medicare Part B and Part D because I wouldn't have been able to pay it with my poverty level Disability Income. That would have meant that I would also lose my Humana Medicare Advantage Plan insurance.

I found an article about this that I wish to share.

The House Just Voted To Put People With Disabilities One Step Closer To Institutions

This afternoon, House Republicans voted to roll back the Affordable Care Act’s protections for people with pre-existing conditions, slash hundreds of billions of dollars from Medicaid, and otherwise harm the health care of seniors, people with disabilities, veterans, and the vast majority of Americans. The American Health Care Act (AHCA), or Trumpcare, is an extraordinary statement of contempt towards any member of the public who might actually need health care in the coming years (hint: that’s all of us).

Though some of the damage that this bill does has been well publicized, there is a particularly odious impact of Trumpcare getting very little attention: It threatens to force seniors and people with disabilities into nursing homes and institutions.

Republicans in the House continue to put their faith in Donald Trump, instead of insisting on meager protections of their own constituents’ needs. For too many members of Congress, the needs of seniors and people with disabilities are taking a backseat to trusting Donald Trump —and advancing his health care bill—at all costs.

And now, if there is a Payroll Tax Cut, it could impact Social Security and Medicare. This is just some of the dangers we have faced with Donald Trump being our President.

This alone reminded me of how Hitler used the Gas Chambers to 'get rid' of millions of the Jewish People, elderly people, people with disabilities of all types that he had no use for because they weren't productive.

And now our President is still trying to make it look like there's nothing to the Beer Burden even though he had it himself. He knows that people older than age 65 are at more risk to get the Beer Burden. But younger people have also gotten the Beer Burden and died from it, too.

He has these Beer Burden Spreaders knowing that his followers and supporters can and more than likely will get it, and is willing to take that chance.

This is a way for Trump to get rid of the elderly and disabled because he has no use for them. It will save his budget on health care. If all of the elderly disabled folks die from it, then it would save Millions of dollars regarding Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

So he get this Dr. Atlas to say that masks aren't necessary, etc. In other words, he is another one of Trump's puppets that will do whatever is dictated or assigned to him.

Yes, indeed. And if Trump wins this election, he can continue with his plan of getting rid of people he has no use for. No, he doesn't need the Gas Chamber at all especially when he can cut the Payroll Taxes. Heil Trump! :summer:
 
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caseyedwards

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Every state that expanded Medicaid could have kept their expansion very easily. They just would have had to raise taxes probably to do it. That was unacceptable! Better to have federal debt skyrocket and deficit explode because federal taxes are too low to pay for everything.
 

Dobre

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That was when senior citizens, disabled people, etc. had Medicaid and were living in Nursing homes began to worry.

I am counting on this, Simone.

Counting on two things. 1. That Democrats will come out to vote. I believe that Republicans will come out crazy to vote too. Think we are making a big mistake if we believe they are fed up & going to walk away. I think they will vote in record numbers just like Democrats. But everything I have read implies that if Democrats come out to vote, they can make the difference. (Though I would love to see a lot of moderate Republicans switch sides for this presidential election. Just not counting on it).

2. Trump blew it when he abandoned the social security crowd. Seniors vote at a higher rate than other groups. This wasn't a smart political move on his part. It was a desperate trade-off in his head in exchange for the economy.

I read that the numbers for young people are still low, per usual. I am not counting on those.

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Also something I wanted to add with regard to the Michigan governor. Trump does not understand empathy. He doesn't understand that when someone is attacked, you don't win people over by attacking them harder. He doesn't understand why Biden declined to attack him when Trump was sick. To Trump, this is a sign of weakness. But most people understand empathy. I do hope his bullying of the governor at this particular moment in time will backfire against him in Michigan.
 

MacMadame

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This is another mistake I think Trump is making... by pushing through the nomination of Amy C Barrett before the Election Day, he is giving people who hate him or at least don't want to vote for him but want Roe v Wade overturned or just a Conservative court an excuse not to vote for him.
 

Dobre

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This is another mistake I think Trump is making... by pushing through the nomination of Amy C Barrett before the Election Day, he is giving people who hate him or at least don't want to vote for him but want Roe v Wade overturned or just a Conservative court an excuse not to vote for him.
"Excuse" is not the term(s) I would use.

A burning motivation, yes.
 

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