2020 U.S. Presidential Election

BlueRidge

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My in-laws only vote Republican. They don't care about social justice issues or anything like that. They vote with their bank accounts. Period. And they have the big money to protect/increase and it's all that seemingly matters. DH and I obviously don't fall in line, but his family also cannot stand Trump and just hold their noses to vote for whatever Republican is on the ballot. But no, they believe in the Constitution and are appalled by this attempted coup. I just want to say to them "Shut up. Just STFU. You are part of this problem whether you like it or not." But that might make things uncomfortable at family events.

Well if they recognize and oppose the attempted coup that's a good start. Maybe they could donate to Republican candidates who don't support the far right or something? Its not like I expect everyone to support a liberal party, which the Democrats are but something do something to get us out of this situation where far right radicals hold such sway.
 

Vagabond

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So if she loses tonight or if the election is undecided then how does she vote in the Senate tomorrow?
I goofed. I triple-checked, and she is apparently still able to vote, as per the Senate website, to which I linked in my corrected response. And I doubt the results will be certified by tomorrow. :duh: :(
 

MacMadame

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I'm confused - who votes tomorrow about accepting electoral college results? Let's say Loeffler and or Perdue loose? Are they as the current (today) the senators who vote or the Dems who won, the persons on the Senate floor tomorrow?
I'm pretty sure no one votes. The VP opens the envelopes from each state that lists their Elector counts and announces the results. That's it.

The traitorous Senators who plan to "contest" are not planning to vote against the tallies (since there is no vote) but to introduce a motion of some sort to say that the VP shouldn't do this until they investigate more.

I could be wrong about this but that is my understanding of the process.
 

Sparks

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When it meets for this purpose every four years, Congress does not 'certify' electoral votes, it tallies them. (Some Republicans say they will object to the counting of electors from some states, forcing some votes. Those efforts are certain to fail.)
 

BlueRidge

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When it meets for this purpose every four years, Congress does not 'certify' electoral votes, it tallies them. (Some Republicans say they will object to the counting of electors from some states, forcing some votes. Those efforts are certain to fail.)

yes my understanding is that the objections will force debate and then a vote on each of the states that a member objects to.
 

once_upon

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So apparently Mike Pence is thinking of just not showing up tomorrow.
He was set to do international travel post the reading of the results, that was announced last week i think.
My question are there placed who will allow travel from US for "vacations" right now?
 

Aussie Willy

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I listened to the tape and read the book. You are saying Trump was the only problem. When Trump shut down travel from Chinese citizens from China he was depicted by media and nevertrump as evil monster racist and of course China travel should go on as normal. So when he treated it seriously he was evil monster racist
I never said that Trump was the only problem. But he was a major contributor to a certain percentage of the population not taking it seriously and causing the spread of the ***** because they believed his BS.

But my comment was meant to illustrate that when you have effective measures in place you can control the ***** as I know from first hand experience.

You keep misconstruing so many posts and trying to make out things people say that they don't.
 

tony

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He was set to do international travel post the reading of the results, that was announced last week i think.
My question are there placed who will allow travel from US for "vacations" right now?
Plenty of international travel for leisure is happening. Mexico, most of South America, I just saw a friend in Ireland, etc.
 

Aussie Willy

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Looks like the conspiracy theorist in chief has already started on GA. Way to set it up for "a rigged election" if Perdue and Loeffler lose. If they win you won't hear another peep on the topic.


Donald J. Trump

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Reports are coming out of the 12th Congressional District of Georgia that Dominion Machines are not working in certain Republican Strongholds for over an hour. Ballots are being left in lock boxes, hopefully they count them. Thank you Congressman
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once_upon

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Plenty of international travel for leisure is happening. Mexico, most of South America, I just saw a friend in Ireland somehow, etc.
Ok.

Looks like another law suit shut down

 

tony

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Good luck coming to Australia for any reason. People who are Australian citizens are having trouble getting back because of the lack of flights.
I’m not going anywhere, so no worries for me. The question was whether international travel for vacation is happening— and it is. To be honest, I don’t think Mexico ever stopped people from the States from coming in or even vice-versa. I know South American countries had lockdowns at some point, but not now.
 
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Simone411

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It seems if Trump wants to play golf in Scotland Jan 19/20, he's out of luck
Well, the people of Scotland doesn't want him over there anyway, and I can't blame them.

Scotland inches closer to investigating Trump for money laundering (dailykos.com)

Trump’s connection with international money launderers, and the never-ending stream of information connecting him with money laundering activities, along with his opaque financials is more than enough reason for there to be a serious investigation, according to Patrick Harvie, the co-leader of the country’s Green Party. “Now that Trump is set to lose immunity from prosecution in the U.S., he may be held to account there, isn’t it time he’s also held to account here? Isn’t it time for answers from the Trump Organization?” Harvie has repeatedly asked of Scottish National Party leader First Minister Nicolea Sturgeon to look into the matter.

From the beginning, Trump’s investments in Scotland have seemed unusual. As the self-proclaimed “King of Debt,” Trump has built almost all of his signature projects with other people’s money. His Scottish resorts appear to be funded with his own funds—but based on personal financial disclosures he has filed as president, it’s not clear how Trump has been able to generate that much cash. The recent series of articles by the New York Times, based on copies of Trump’s tax returns, suggest that Trump has used a variety of tactics—including some legally dubious ones—to bolster his liquidity, but Harvie says there hasn’t been sufficient explanation of how Trump is paying for Aberdeenshire and Turnberry.
The Trump administration and its solicitors have attacked Harvie and others for playing politics and saying that Donald Trump has invested “hundreds of millions of dollars into” the Scottish economy. I’m guessing that while Harvie would take that bet and go to court, Donald Trump wouldn’t. I say this because Donald Trump is a con man and if our country, at some point, decides to finally hold the elite in our country accountable for breaking laws and abuses of power, I suspect Donald Trump and others will be in jail for the rest of their miserable days.

Trump keeps talking about 2024. He's in desperation and that's why he's doing anything he can think of to remain President so he won't end up in prison. Forget about 2024 and his "Trump Network". He'll be spending time in prison making all kinds of new 'friends' that don't give a damn about who he is.

And all that money that his supporters were fooled into giving him from those emails will be used to pay fines and debts. He called that farmer in Scotland a pigsty. It looks like that he was the pigsty all along with his greed which has become quite smelly. Pew! Someone find the Febreze Air Freshener!

I don't believe that he will have his two Big Macs, two Filet-O-Fish sandwiches and his large chocolate shake for dinner every day while he's in prison, either.
 

Yazmeen

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They made a rather bad judgement there. Ruining the country doesn't serve their interests. But they are as responsible for everything that has happened as any other Trump voter.

I know Trump isn't Hitler but one can make the same excuses for all the good Germans. Doesn't matter, voting for Trump did great harm even if people claim they "held their nose."

And all of them were capable of making better judgements. So it doesn't matter in the long wrong that they aren't accelerationists and neo-Nazis.

Now if they repent, and admit it great, I wouldn't hold the past against them. We just need them to stop supporting the forces of destruction.
I (sadly) think one thing that helped Trump do as well as he did was the folks who simply refuse to look at the health crisis we are experiencing in terms of anything other than how it affected only them and their loved ones. I have a former skatebuddy who I have have pretty much lost all respect for because of their behavior. Over time, they have changed from being a relatively nonreligious apolitical moderate when I first knew them to an ultra-religious Trumpie courtesy of their relationship with their partner. YKW has touched their circle, but only affecting a few younger and very healthy members who recovered quickly. Because of this, they view the restrictions from masks to shutdowns as primarily designed to inconvenience them. The breaking point for me was the day this person pitched a hissy fit on social media because the local grocery store had made the decision to forego hand baskets and they had to, God forbid, push a CART around to just get a few items (quite a few stores in our area have switched to carts only because they are easier and faster to clean). They slammed the employees as "lazy" for this very minor inconvenience.

Is this person capable of making better judgements? Hell, yeah, but they have been caught up in Trump's signature appeal of doing whatever he wants and getting what he wants. Whether they are the MAGAts at rallies or my more personable friends who hold their nose and vote Trump, as I said before, their focus remains me, me, ME!!! Land of the free, home of the selfish. I never want to hear or read the words "You do you, while I do me" (meaning, I'll do what I want and f*** you) again after he's gone.
 
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You know what's funny about this exact phrasing? You know how many people living in Miami will tell you 'I came from a socialist/communist country, I know the signs. Don't tell me what is and isn't socialism, I escaped it!', etc when talking about why they weren't vote for Biden? I'm sure @olympic can back me up on this, because that's all I heard from quite a few people for a few months leading up to the election. I don't get why your experience trumps (not punning) what other people are expecting to happen. Because the people you choose to follow are better educated? Your/their opinion matters more? You spend more time analyzing every move Trump makes while many people find the key issues, vote for what suits them best, and they move on so therefore your ideas hold more weight?


So you're saying people that feel very strongly about one issue and one issue only are wrong in that taking precedence over everything else? So these so-called clear threats of authoritarianism that you think only the super educated can see (or honestly I don't even know what you're going for at this point) should be the number one issue for EVERYONE?

I'd think that the thought of taking away any kind of gay/trans rights, if it came from a Democrat at some point, would be more than enough for people within the community to flock to the Republican candidate, no questions asked. If a Democratic candidate wanted to segregate schools/neighborhoods or something super extreme, you don't think that most people, including the majority of minorities, would flock to the Republican candidate? I said in a PM to someone that being in an ethics course this previous semester, I met a lot of younger Latina ladies in Miami and when we got to abortion, they were all very clear that this is a huge issue for them and they weren't going to vote any other way, as the election had been approaching at that point. Are they wrong for seeing that as an actual occurring problem but 'ignoring' the so-called signs of authoritarianism?

Your number one issue that has made you hellbent on this forum for how many months/years seems to be how you've lived through authoritarianism and you don't want signs of it to pop up. That's fine. I can't tell you how to feel. But why are you suggesting that people who have their own precedence of issues suddenly 'don't believe' something can happen that you personally see?

Because several of you attempted to take me to task for getting the information straight from the source, and then you constantly come here talking about everything Trump does. I wanted to immediately know what he said, but it was the end of the world (literally, read the stressed out posts) for some that I had done that.

You chose to directly engage with me when I said it was ridiculous to assume that 74 million people were hardcore MAGA and ready to fight into a civil war. I think anyone who says that out loud is damn foolish. Now you're throwing this slant, without directly saying so, that you put more effort in than others, especially all of those terrible Republicans, and anyone who doesn't put in such effort clearly isn't considering YOUR number one issue.
OMG. YES. If it's not them, it's usually a relative of some sort.

I chatted at length with a Cuban co-worker in 2016 and 2020 who voted Hillary / Joe Biden but abhorred Bernie Sanders because 'socialism'. Despite disliking Sanders myself, I did fairly point out that there are different type of 'socialism' in the world and Sanders was the type of politician you might see center-left in Europe, not Latin American dictatorship. He really looked at me like I had 3 heads. His mother was Chilean, BTW. Another group that would surprise some in their support of Pinochet's purge of the Left in Chile in the 1970s (w/ Nixon's help), because Allende was a Castro clone.

My husband is Argentinian and I blanche at some of his comments. I mean, he votes Democrat and all in the U.S. but he makes comments that would put him in the Far Right in South America: For example, he acknowledges that Pinochet was a dictator, but maybe he did what was necessary to keep Chile from becoming another Cuba, and wishes the military juntas in Argentina purged the Montaneros and the Peronists (Juan / Evita Peron) like Pinochet had done in Chile. He considers the former leftist terrorists who bombed family homes / killed innocents in the 70s, and the military actions of torture were an overreaction but they still paled in comparison to what the Left was doing. IHO, the Perons and the subsequent Peronists (Kirchneristas - led by their new leader Cristina Fernandez Kirchner) wrecked / continue to wreck Argentina and its economy with their leftist, autocratic ways and their protectionism

Coming from a different culture and society will obviously carry over to your new country and it has an influence on how you view movements in the U.S.
 

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