2020 U.S. Presidential Election

Simone411

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Dominion Voting Systems plans to sue attorney Sidney Powell “imminently” for defamation, and is continuing to explore similar suits against President Trump and his allies.
From https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1346194928993513472?s=20
They also warned Fox News about defamation lawsuits.

Dominion Voting warns Fox News lawsuits are imminent (cnbc.com)

Dominion Voting Systems, one of the targets of President Donald Trump’s baseless conspiracy theories about the election that he lost, has warned Fox News, major Fox personalities, other conservative media outlets, radio host Rush Limbaugh and conservative lawyers that defamation litigation against them is “imminent.”

The voting machine company this week has sent 21 letters to the White House, Fox News, its hosts Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, the news outlets Newsmax, One America News Network, Epoch Times and others demanding they stop making defamatory claims about Dominion and that they preserve any documents they have relating to the firm.

“We write to provide formal notice that litigation regarding these issues is imminent,” Dominion’s lawyers Thomas Clare and Megan Meier wrote to Fox News Media General Counsel Lily Fu Claffee in one of the letters, which were provided to CNBC.
 

mtnskater

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I lost sympathy for the US when they voted Trump into office. He’s still your president till January 20th and still your problem. It’s not for our “personal amusement”. My thoughts are with those who have suffered and passed away under his presidency from YKW. I’ve never seen a more incompetent president.
Please don’t lose your sympathy for the US! I’d like to remind everyone that in the 2016 election Trump was not elected by a majority of the American people. The majority of Americans did not want him. Hilary Clinton won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. Trump pulled it out in the electoral college by very small margins in a few states. Also recall the Russian interference with false information on FB...and the 11th hour election fiasco by FBI head Comey announcing he had found more Clinton emails to investigate that turned out to be nothing.

This time around, Trump was resoundingly defeated, losing the popular vote by over 7 million people and turning very red states blue like Georgia and Arizona. Very few incumbent presidents have been defeated in our history, which proves how unpopular he is. People keep focusing on the folks that voted for Trump, but I’m focused on the large majority that got their butts to the polls in record numbers during a very scary ********* to oust this idiot.

The US is hampered by a very archane constitution that was constructed to protect slavery and rural interests, hence the ridiculous electoral college that is an albatross around all of our necks and gives way too much power to small populated rural states. The country is no longer a rural, slave owning agrarian society. The economic engines of our country are now in the urban population centers which also skew much more progressive and democratic. Look at the US Senate which gives two senators to States like Wyoming with hardly any population and only two senators to much more populous states like California, which has the 8th largest economy in the world. At the very least we have got to rid ourselves of the electoral college. The constitution and associated articles need a major refresh so that government can properly function for the US in today’s world.

Its been absolute hell here with Trump as President. There is so much damage for the Biden team to repair. We were planning to retire and rent our house and go live in Europe for 4 years had Trump been reelected, as were our neighbors and a number of other friends. There was no way we could stand another four years of that horror show. I can’t express how bad the psychological impact of his tenure has had on so many of us. Jan. 20 still seems like an eternity away, but we will get there and move on from this very ugly chapter in our history. One thing I’ve learned in spades is we can’t take the stability of our democracy for granted and we must continue to work hard to nurture this American experiment, our democratic institutions and our relationships with our allies.
 

Amy L

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Good for Dominion. The turn the other cheek thing is not working anymore (has it ever?) If I had a company and crazy people accused it of being run by the zombie corpse of a dictator I'd sue for defamation too.

Also, I just reported Ted Cruz's youtube channel as spam and misleading information. Nothing will happen of course but I got a giggle out of it. Cruz is such a smarmy dckhole. Any time I hear his name I remember Al Franken's quote: "I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz."
 

DORISPULASKI

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Assuming that he broke Georgia state election law, that would fall outside his self pardon
George Conway and a couple of other lawyers I heard on TV felt the GA statute was more clearly violated.

The newly elected Fulton County DA Fani Willis may investigate.

Meanwhile, apparently the Ruby Freeman election conspiracy theory that Trump cites to Raffensperger is so deep Qanon that it hardly ever made it out to facebook from the current version of 8chan to Twitter #WheresRuby Freeman.

He is batshite crazy for sure.

Trump is grasping at every wack job conspiracy on line of how to stay president.

Morning Joe had a Qanon expert on this morning and this is what he said.
 
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George Conway and a couple of other lawyers I heard on TV felt the GA statute was more clearly violated.

The newly elected Fulton County DA may investigate.

Meanwhile, apparently the Ruby Freeman election conspiracy theory that Trump cites to Raffensperger is so deep Qanon that it hardly ever made it out to facebook from the current version of 8chan to Twitter #WheresRuby Freeman.

He is batshite crazy for sure.

Trump is grasping at every wack job conspiracy on line of how

Morning Joe had a Qanon expert on this morning and this is what he said.
I wonder if GA has any laws against taping phone conversations without consent.
 

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"Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is traveling with Trump to GA, says: “I think our secretary of state has failed Georgia. I believe our elections should be decertified.” Asked if doing so would impact her and other Georgia Rs, she said: "We're just talking about the President's race.” " :wall:
 

caseyedwards

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Trump has unbelievable power over the ones who love him. If, back in February or March, Trump had leveled with the American public about the deadliness of YKW, and encouraged everyone to wear masks/social distance, ALL of his followers would have jumped to do so.

As a result, we would have had a president who lead by example, we would have far fewer YKW cases and deaths and -- ironically -- Trump would have won a second term.

In March fauci was saying no masks. Masks are needed by medical professionals. Don’t take their supply. February and March he was saying that. The people who were wearing masks in March were seen as not following instructions

Trump should have worn masks during his press briefings? Cuomo didn’t and no one cared
 

caseyedwards

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I am not sure what Cuomo has anything to do with Trump lying about the seriousness of the ***** from day one. Or didn't you listen to the Bob Woodward tapes? Which then his fan base listen to what he says.

And maybe I can speak from experience living in a country (and state - Tasmania) that has taken it seriously. Where I am we are not in lockdown. We are encouraged to social distance, use hand sanitiser (it is at the entrance of every store) and every restaurant has a QR code where you register when you eat in. But we are pretty much free to go about our daily lives without restriction.
I listened to the tape and read the book. You are saying Trump was the only problem. When Trump shut down travel from Chinese citizens from China he was depicted by media and nevertrump as evil monster racist and of course China travel should go on as normal. So when he treated it seriously he was evil monster racist
 

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Please don’t lose your sympathy for the US! I’d like to remind everyone that in the 2016 election Trump was not elected by a majority of the American people. The majority of Americans did not want him. Hilary Clinton won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. Trump pulled it out in the electoral college by very small margins in a few states. Also recall the Russian interference with false information on FB...and the 11th hour election fiasco by FBI head Comey announcing he had found more Clinton emails to investigate that turned out to be nothing.

This time around, Trump was resoundingly defeated, losing the popular vote by over 7 million people and turning very red states blue like Georgia and Arizona. Very few incumbent presidents have been defeated in our history, which proves how unpopular he is. People keep focusing on the folks that voted for Trump, but I’m focused on the large majority that got their butts to the polls in record numbers during a very scary ********* to oust this idiot.

The US is hampered by a very archane constitution that was constructed to protect slavery and rural interests, hence the ridiculous electoral college that is an albatross around all of our necks and gives way too much power to small populated rural states. The country is no longer a rural, slave owning agrarian society. The economic engines of our country are now in the urban population centers which also skew much more progressive and democratic. Look at the US Senate which gives two senators to States like Wyoming with hardly any population and only two senators to much more populous states like California, which has the 8th largest economy in the world. At the very least we have got to rid ourselves of the electoral college. The constitution and associated articles need a major refresh so that government can properly function for the US in today’s world.

Its been absolute hell here with Trump as President. There is so much damage for the Biden team to repair. We were planning to retire and rent our house and go live in Europe for 4 years had Trump been reelected, as were our neighbors and a number of other friends. There was no way we could stand another four years of that horror show. I can’t express how bad the psychological impact of his tenure has had on so many of us. Jan. 20 still seems like an eternity away, but we will get there and move on from this very ugly chapter in our history. One thing I’ve learned in spades is we can’t take the stability of our democracy for granted and we must continue to work hard to nurture this American experiment, our democratic institutions and our relationships with our allies.
You haven’t lost sympathy or support at least from my end. I am fully aware that there’s a huge number of people that didn’t vote for them. His deliberate ignormance and incompetency with ********* is sickening and I think that he is a murderer Because of it.
 

tony

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meme on FB, on a red hat - "make red hats wearable again"
Helpful hint: you can share Facebook images by right-clicking them and going to copy image address, regardless of whether the profile is public or private.
 

Susan1

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Helpful hint: you can share Facebook images by right-clicking them and going to copy image address, regardless of whether the profile is public or private.
I've probably done that 100 times. I didn't think it was necessary to see the guy wearing the hat to get the point across here.
So, Here you go -

Actually, I always tinyurl it -
 

tony

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It's a New Year.

You're welcome.
 

once_upon

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Not sure where to put this but it seems that McConnell is having trouble keeping GOP senators in line. He needs to take lessons from Nancy Pelosi:

McConnell opened Pandora's box to get his judges. Just got too caught up in his power and couldn't close the box. Just like in the mythology all the evils flew out and couldn't be returned/controlled.

I had forgotten in mythology, only Hope remained in the box.
 

MacMadame

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But... but... but... Democrats are always the ones in disarray. Just ask the MSM. (Which reminds me: I might have missed them because the weeks before Christmas were crazy but were there articles discussing the GOP in disarray to death?)
Here are some:

(It's sprinkled throughout)

What about his wife and minor child? Will they be going with him? And the rest of the losers? A compound somewhere, like the Kennedys, only creepy?
Oh, the Kennedy compound was plenty creepy.

I listened to the tape and read the book. You are saying Trump was the only problem. When Trump shut down travel from Chinese citizens from China he was depicted by media and nevertrump as evil monster racist and of course China travel should go on as normal. So when he treated it seriously he was evil monster racist
More revisionist history.

People were annoyed with Trump's travel ban because of course, he banned China and no one else even though the disease was all over Europe at the time and also it was here so there was already plenty of community transmission so banning travel was too little, too late. Also, his "ban" allowed in another 40,000 people. So it was just political theater to play to his base and not something that was going to be effective in combating the disease.
 

Yazmeen

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Its been absolute hell here with Trump as President. There is so much damage for the Biden team to repair. We were planning to retire and rent our house and go live in Europe for 4 years had Trump been reelected, as were our neighbors and a number of other friends. There was no way we could stand another four years of that horror show. I can’t express how bad the psychological impact of his tenure has had on so many of us. Jan. 20 still seems like an eternity away, but we will get there and move on from this very ugly chapter in our history. One thing I’ve learned in spades is we can’t take the stability of our democracy for granted and we must continue to work hard to nurture this American experiment, our democratic institutions and our relationships with our allies.
THIS speaks for me also.

Pardon the lengthy post, but I also want to comment on the some of the arguments going back and forth about Trump supporters. While his devoted "base" is one thing, not everyone who voted for him is a member of that very vocal "MAGAt" group. DH and I are in our 60s and near retirement. We have many friends of similar age (especially in a scuba diving/underwater sports club) who are fairly staunch Republicans who personally do not care for Trump as a person but voted for him and a Republican ticket mainly because the GOP suits their "don't raise my taxes or hurt my investments" mentality. Are they uncaring people? Frankly, no; as an example we have had a couple of club members with terminal cancer and these people have gone out of their way to help them in many ways. If something serious happened to DH and me, they'd be there for us in force. However, they live in a nice, wealthy little white bubble and like many people, put their own interests and those of their families first. That said, they fear anything that smacks of socialism that would take away what they've "earned" (never mind the much better and easier opportunities they had getting there vs the average member of a minority). Are they racist/ethnicist? Yes, but if you told them that to their faces they'd be shocked because face-to-face, they treat friends/coworkers/colleagues of different races/ethnicities with respect and friendliness and they don't use racial slurs. Outside of that, though, many of them believe that minorities take a disproportionate share of government benefits or too often "live off the government teat," if you'll pardon the blunt expression. They worked hard for their wealth, so everyone else should, too! This drives my friend who is a lawyer with the Social Security Administration crazy; it is not easy AT ALL to qualify for disability or major benefits in this country without a long drawn-out process, but these friends think these people get "freebies" with a snap of their fingers.

I also know some folks who are extremely religious Christians and view Democrats as a bunch of God-hating atheists who want to take away their right to worship and interfere with their "religious freedom." So, despite Trump being about as "Christian" and moral as a rotting turnip, they support him because he panders to their belief system. And never mind that they think it's perfectly find that their idea of "freedom" includes their right to push their religious beliefs into our laws, schools and government regardless of what other faiths or beliefs their fellow Americans have. They see America as a Christian country, period.

We also learned through this election that some Republicans loathed Trump and voted Biden but would not vote for any Democrats down the ticket, again preferring Republican policies. This is how my GOP Congressman, Brian Fitzpatrick, won reelection handily. It helped that he has the reputation of pretty much being the most independent member of the GOP in Congress. He's the ONLY PA Republican Congressman who refused to sign that BS letter to overturn the election results. So while Trump was repugnant to many Republicans here, Fitz's GOP-led economic platforms and other stands suited the majority in this district's belief system better than the Democratic alternative.

Overall, my point is that not everyone who voted for Trump is rabid, rallying MAGAt Trump acolyte. As much as I find it disgusting, quite a few friends were willing to hold their noses and vote for him because doing so simply served their best self-interests. They didn't want to "own the libs;" they wanted to protect their nest eggs or personal belief systems and "freedom." And if there is one thing Trump is the patron saint of, it's "ME FIRST!!!"
 

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In March fauci was saying no masks. Masks are needed by medical professionals. Don’t take their supply. February and March he was saying that. The people who were wearing masks in March were seen as not following instructions

Trump should have worn masks during his press briefings? Cuomo didn’t and no one cared
Way to deflect.

Fauci quickly changed his mind about masks. Trump had nearly a year to lead by example. He didn't.
 
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once_upon

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I'm confused - who votes tomorrow about accepting electoral college results? Let's say Loeffler and or Perdue loose? Are they as the current (today) the senators who vote or the Dems who won, the persons on the Senate floor tomorrow?
 

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Overall, my point is that not everyone who voted for Trump is rabid, rallying MAGAt Trump acolyte. As much as I find it disgusting, quite a few friends were willing to hold their noses and vote for him because doing so simply served their best self-interests.

They made a rather bad judgement there. Ruining the country doesn't serve their interests. But they are as responsible for everything that has happened as any other Trump voter.

I know Trump isn't Hitler but one can make the same excuses for all the good Germans. Doesn't matter, voting for Trump did great harm even if people claim they "held their nose."

And all of them were capable of making better judgements. So it doesn't matter in the long wrong that they aren't accelerationists and neo-Nazis.

Now if they repent, and admit it great, I wouldn't hold the past against them. We just need them to stop supporting the forces of destruction.
 

ErikWilliam

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I don't know why we keep pushing this idea that all 74 million people who voted Republican are obsessed lovers of Trump. I don't need to hear from anyone how 'they still voted for him after all of X, Y, and Z.' Some people will vote Republican regardless or some have issues that they prioritize that make them side that way.

Unless you're a true Trump extremist, most people aren't going to care what happens to him moving forward.
My in-laws only vote Republican. They don't care about social justice issues or anything like that. They vote with their bank accounts. Period. And they have the big money to protect/increase and it's all that seemingly matters. DH and I obviously don't fall in line, but his family also cannot stand Trump and just hold their noses to vote for whatever Republican is on the ballot. But no, they believe in the Constitution and are appalled by this attempted coup. I just want to say to them "Shut up. Just STFU. You are part of this problem whether you like it or not." But that might make things uncomfortable at family events.
 

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