2020 U.S. Presidential Election

overedge

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That's a part of the grift. It will be the only way he can make money.

Yep, he can bring in some $$$$ by being a speaker at CPAC, the neo-con think tanks, and all of that circuit. And he can only do that by continuing to claim that the LIEberals and the Deep State stole the election from him.
 

MacMadame

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"Entitled" seems the wrong word. If it's tradition, time to break it. I wouldn't let him near my grocery list.
He doesn't read the briefings now. I doubt he'll be asking for them when he's no longer President. He sees them as homework and he's not the type to continue going homework once school is out.

Yep, he can bring in some $$$$ by being a speaker at CPAC, the neo-con think tanks, and all of that circuit. And he can only do that by continuing to claim that the LIEberals and the Deep State stole the election from him.
I can't see him being a paid speaker like a motivational speaker. I think doing that successfully is a bit too much work. I see him showing up at events and being one of the people who talks maybe. But even then... did he do a lot of that before? It all just seems like too much work even though you know he's not going to do the real work (like actually prepare notes ahead of time).

Showing up to cut a ribbon or accept a fake award seems more his speed. That and putting his name on things.
 

ballettmaus

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He's always, always had the narcissistic personality. Dementia and/or the power of the presidency has created a monster. He won't change when he is out of the white house either way.
I'd argue that he's always been that monster. He's always been a narcissist, the presidency just magnified it because at the end of the day, he has the last word. (I also believe narcissism gets worse over time but I'm not sure).
 

Susan1

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If trump goes to the inauguration or trump doesn't go to the inauguration, he will still be the center of attention, ruining it for everybody.
 

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Sparks

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Breaking: The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has dismissed the lawsuit from Rep. Mike Kelly and candidate Sean Parnell to declare universal mail-in voting unconstitutional in the state and deny the votes of the majority of Pennsylvanians who voted by mail.
 

Simone411

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This was on my MSN homepage. I tell you what. I totally agree with Trump attorneys on this one. :summer:

https://tinyurl.com/y4esvlmw

  • Attorneys on the Trump campaign legal team described Rudy Giuliani as "deranged" and ill-suited to litigating the legal effort to overturn the election result, reported The Washington Post.
  • Giuliani has been mocked for missteps during the legal campaign, with the former New York City mayor holding a bizarre press briefing at a suburban garden center on November 7 after an apparent venue booking mix-up.
  • At a press briefing on November 20, where black liquid trickled down Giuliani's face, fellow campaign attorney Sidney Powell alleged a vast communist conspiracy to overturn the election — while providing no evidence.
  • The legal team's antics have reportedly been too much even for Trump.
One senior administration official was scathing about Giuliani's strategy. "Just roll everybody up who is willing to do it into a clown car, and when it's time for a press conference, roll them out," is how the official characterized it to the Post.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Giuliani's conspiracy theories have reportedly proved too much even for Trump, according to reports, and though he continues to claim the election was stolen from him he has approved vital funds be released for Biden's transition.

That could also describe Trump, too. He's been willing to get into that clown car with Giuliani for quite awhile now. He's the biggest clown of them all since he's the leader of the pack. :sheep:
 

Simone411

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Absolutely. And if he concedes, he already knows what will happen by doing that. There will be no 2024 election for him because he still faces state investigations in New York, and international investigations even if he does pardon himself. On January 20th at noon, he faces jail time ... no more protection of him being the President anymore. As a citizen, he'll trade those suits he wears for those orange-striped prison garbs.
 

Aussie Willy

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He is absolutely deluded and no sense of reality. It is seriously watching a mad man.

We have always known what he is like but this behaviour is amplified 100% on what he has been in the past. However it also just demonstrates how unsuitable he is for the role. He had a 4 year job probationary period (most of us are lucky to get 3 months or none at all) and had to wait for the voters to tell him he wasn't suitable for the job but they definitely spoke up and told him that his services were no longer required.
 

sk9tingfan

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He is absolutely deluded and no sense of reality. It is seriously watching a mad man.

We have always known what he is like but this behaviour is amplified 100% on what he has been in the past. However it also just demonstrates how unsuitable he is for the role. He had a 4 year job probationary period (most of us are lucky to get 3 months or none at all) and had to wait for the voters to tell him he wasn't suitable for the job but they definitely spoke up and told him that his services were no longer required.
I would like to be a fly on the wall when the Secret Service escorts him from the White House on January 20th.
 

sk9tingfan

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I would like to be a flu on the wall when the Secret Service escorts him from the White House on January 20th.
BTW, I would like to know what we do about what we can do with a large portion of his 74MM followers when the vote tally is finished? :oops: :oops:
 

clairecloutier

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So this is not about the election ... but it is sort of about the Presidency.

It turns out that John Tyler, the 10th U.S. President (1841-45), has a grandson who is still living, age 95. WaPo has done an interesting story on this man and the cultural/physical legacy that he and his family inherited from Tyler (a questionable figure at best). Worth a read, esp. for history buffs.

A bridge to the nation's complicated past
 
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Judy

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I'd argue that he's always been that monster. He's always been a narcissist, the presidency just magnified it because at the end of the day, he has the last word. (I also believe narcissism gets worse over time but I'm not sure).
The presidency gave him power. He was diagnosed with malignant narcissism unofficially. His niece Mary Trump who has a masters in psychology herself has said that this is not just regular narcissism that it is much worse. She also believes he has some type of learning disability.

So he leaves office. I have no idea how he’s going to cope withe the loss of that power but it likely won’t be pretty.
 

Japanfan

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So he leaves office. I have no idea how he’s going to cope withe the loss of that power but it likely won’t be pretty.

Well he will still have power over his 'empire'. But not if they haul his ass off to jail (with millions around the world cheering loudly).
 
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caseyedwards

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Trump never used presidential power to the extent opponents feared! Never started war or used ******** to try to dictate to all states. So most power was used In personnel matters really or pardons
 

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Well he will still have power his 'empire'. But not if they haul his ass off to jail (with millions around the world cheering loudly).
I don’t know if returning to his normal life and business would be enough for him anymore.
 

Aussie Willy

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Trump never used presidential power to the extent opponents feared! Never started war or used ******** to try to dictate to all states. So most power was used In personnel matters really or pardons
That is BS. He was in control of the country. The argument that he didn't start war is a moot point. The country he has been president of has been at war with itself in terms of division, protests and the *****. He has a support base that worships his every word who are dangerous. He manifests hatred and demonisation of groups who his supporters perceive to be a threat. The US as country has probably never been as unstable.

In fact the whole thing about Trumpism is akin to what you see with any radical ideology. It is a variation of what they condemn such as Islam or other dictatorships. They are worried about communism and socialism based on what has happened in other countries yet his supporters would quite be happy to see him as a dictator, as long as he attacks the groups they hate.
 

caseyedwards

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That is BS. He was in control of the country. The argument that he didn't start war is a moot point. The country he has been president of has been at war with itself in terms of division, protests and the *****. He has a support base that worships his every word who are dangerous. He manifests hatred and demonisation of groups who his supporters perceive to be a threat. The US as country has probably never been as unstable.

In fact the whole thing about Trumpism is akin to what you see with any radical ideology. It is a variation of what they condemn such as Islam or other dictatorships. They are worried about communism and socialism based on what has happened in other countries yet his supporters would quite be happy to see him as a dictator, as long as he attacks the groups they hate.
I disagree. Because republicans worked very hard to limit his power from the very beginning. They banned any Trump wall. They ignored him when he ordered them to abolish the filibuster. They ignored him when he said he wanted more stimulus. Trump supporters haven’t burned down any cities! Everyone saw how easy it was to burn down a city but no Trump cities have been burned down in protest.
 

Aussie Willy

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I disagree. Because republicans worked very hard to limit his power from the very beginning. They banned any Trump wall. They ignored him when he ordered them to abolish the filibuster. They ignored him when he said he wanted more stimulus. Trump supporters haven’t burned down any cities! Everyone saw how easy it was to burn down a city but no Trump cities have been burned down in protest.
Seriously??? The Republicans absolutely enabled Trump by just letting him become President and didn't vote to impeach him (which has been your passion project). They are totally responsible for this current sh*tstorm.
 

Dobre

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Chris Krebs' interview on why the election was more secure than ever. I think we owe this man & his team a lot:

"Chris Krebs: I'm not a public servant anymore, but I feel I still got some public service left in me. And, you know, it's hard once you take that oath to uphold and defend the constitution from threats foreign and domestic, it's hard to walk away from that. And if I can reinforce or confirm for one person that the vote was secure, the election was secure, then I feel like I've done my job.

Krebs, who's 43, worked on cybersecurity in the Bush administration, became director of cybersecurity policy at Microsoft and joined the Trump Department of Homeland Security in 2017. His priority was to stop anyone from repeating Russia's 2016 election hacking and disinformation.

Chris Krebs: So we spent something on the order of three and a half years of gaming out every possible scenario for how a foreign actor could interfere with an election. Countless, countless scenarios.

Scott Pelley: So back in 2017, as you're looking ahead to the election in 2018 and then ultimately the election in 2020, you have a to-do list. And the to-do list includes what?

Chris Krebs: Paper ballots. Paper ballots give you the ability to audit, to go back and check the tape and make sure that you got the count right. And that's really one of the keys to success for a secure 2020 election. 95% of the ballots cast in the 2020 election had a paper record associated with it. Compared to 2016, about 82%.

Scott Pelley: And with a paper record, you can go back and verify what the machine is saying by physically counting the paper?

Chris Krebs: That gives you the ability to prove that there was no malicious algorithm or hacked software that adjusted the tally of the vote, and just look at what happened in Georgia. Georgia has machines that tabulate the vote. They then held a hand recount and the outcome was consistent with the machine vote."

👏👏👏👏👏
 

MsZem

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I would like to be a fly on the wall when the Secret Service escorts him from the White House on January 20th.
Trump will not create a spectacle that makes him look (in his eyes) a loser. My guess is that he'll hold a rally or go to one of his golf courses.
BTW, I would like to know what we do about what we can do with a large portion of his 74MM followers when the vote tally is finished? :oops: :oops:
What are you supposed to do with them? Other than the bots, it's their choice to follow.
 

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