2020 Tokyo Olympic Games - Day Fourteen (6 August)

millyskate

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But why ride a horse instead of skateboarding? And if the inspiration is military, can they not climb up some walls or something? Really, this is no fun.
I like modern pentathlon and think the mix of sports really does make for a versatile athlete. The horse situation is bad though - it really isn’t a level playing field. At least the athletes should be allowed a practice run with the horse they’ve been assigned.
 

love_skate2011

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pentathlon should replace the equestrian with some other athletics sport.
That poor German lady all her efforts were crushed just because of a spooked and uncooperative horse.
 

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I had to watch the modern pentathlon show jumping after reading here. The German rider was really heartbreaking to watch. I felt terrible for her, the horse was in all sorts of crazy state. Strange competition format. How do they practice for this? You can practice jumping, but there’s a limit for how many unknown horses you can practice on on daily basis ;)

That said, lots of the others stood no chance. They were not good riders at all, they looked very hesitant and the horse totally took control. Indeed very trainwrecky
 

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You can practice jumping, but there’s a limit for how many unknown horses you can practice on on daily basis ;)
If you don't own a horse and take lessons, you can make sure to get a different horse every time. Of course, there are only so many horses there so you will get repeats.

But that's about it, I think.
 

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If you don't own a horse and take lessons, you can make sure to get a different horse every time. Of course, there are only so many horses there so you will get repeats.

But that's about it, I think.
Absolutely, but unless you’re riding at Sarepta’s stable, the number will sooner or later dry out😅As you say, at one point you’ll be back at the horse you started with.
 

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there is still athletics until tomorrow and team events that china didn't make the finals.
US can still surge , we will find out tomorrow if its possible or not.
It is not important. It wasn't important in the last Oly's or the one before that or .....you know what I mean. And it was particularly not important in the bad old, good old days when somehow the US and the Soviet Union thought a medals race somehow determined how wonderful a country might be....
 

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Absolutely, but unless you’re riding at Sarepta’s stable, the number will sooner or later dry out😅As you say, at one point you’ll be back at the horse you started with.
Yes but I have to say that, as someone who took lessons and in one case rode the same horse every week (the other kids were afraid of it so as the only adult in the class, I was "it" for that horse), and in other cases rode a different horse every week, that even with repeats, it's not the same and you don't really get to know the horses like you do when you just ride the same one every time.
 

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It is not important. It wasn't important in the last Oly's or the one before that or .....you know what I mean. And it was particularly not important in the bad old, good old days when somehow the US and the Soviet Union thought a medals race somehow determined how wonderful a country might be....
yet the websites are posting medal table. How does the US count by golds or number of medals. ?



In China, its only gold.

 

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yet the websites are posting medal table. How does the US count by golds or number of medals. ?



In China, its only gold.

I think it depends on who you ask.
 

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Beyond the medal table, when I was younger, you could only 'win' gold medals. Nowadays, I've seen so many headlines that reference so and so 'winning' bronze / silver.

Honestly, it was our own Kween who I think may have started this.

I think the current media trends are a result of sports feds, athletes and their agents realizing that it is better to be cloaked in glory as 'winners' then to be thought of as having missed THE GOLD. Sometimes, athletes with silver and bronze do genuinely feel like winners. Obviously if they were favored for gold or wanted nothing but gold, they are disappointed with what they see as a 'lesser' medal. But this Olympics, I don't think I've ever seen so many genuinely thrilled silver and bronze medalists. I kinda like it!

It is quite striking, though. I can't remember when I first saw "won silver/bronze" headlines, but it wasn't a thing in the 80s.
 

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Beyond the medal table, when I was younger, you could only 'win' gold medals. Nowadays, I've seen so many headlines that reference so and so 'winning' bronze / silver.

Honestly, it was our own Kween who I think may have started this.

I think the current media trends are a result of sports feds, athletes and their agents realizing that it is better to be cloaked in glory as 'winners' then to be thought of as having missed THE GOLD. Sometimes, athletes with silver and bronze do genuinely feel like winners. Obviously if they were favored for gold or wanted nothing but gold, they are disappointed with what they see as a 'lesser' medal. But this Olympics, I don't think I've ever seen so many genuinely thrilled silver and bronze medalists. I kinda like it!

It is quite striking, though. I can't remember when I first saw "won silver/bronze" headlines, but it wasn't a thing in the 80s.
I think "going for the gold" is great. But I also think medaling is special. Heck...just being an Olympian is fantastic. Everyone is different. Everyone has different expectations.
 

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yet the websites are posting medal table. How does the US count by golds or number of medals. ?



In China, its only gold.

I saw that second article when it was published. I want to reread and try to see it from their point of view instead of my middle class American view. Thanks for posting the articles.
 

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I had a really interesting discussion with a cashier at our local supermarket. He has several family members that compete in modern pentathlon (IIRC one of his uncles was Canadian champion for a few years). He said that the athletes call it "the great equalizer" because every athlete is bad in at least one of the events. So to be good in the overall competition, the athletes have to be really strategic about how much they train in each event. They obviously need to work on the events that are not their best, but at the same time they can't under-train the events they are good at, in case they lose their advantage there.

The horse-swapping is supposed to test the athlete's equestrian skills in handling an unfamiliar horse - like military officers used to have to ride a different horse in combat if their own horse was killed or injured. But the assumption is that all of the horses in the competition are well-trained and even-tempered. That really sucks for the poor athlete who got the skittish horse :(
 

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Misc. Watching artistic gymnastics and thinking of all these "sports" now, they should add baton twirling! Individual and teams. It's so acrobatic now. When I twirled, we didn't do cartwheels and stuff. Just routines. My friend and I made up a "pair" routine - tossing it to each other and everything. Funny.

Funnier - I saw on ESPN2, next to the MSNBC on the channel guide, had Corgi races. Sheesh. I've been to the Weiner Dog Summer Nationals at River Downs racetrack in Cincinnati a couple times. Dachshunds gone wild. That deserves a whole show too.🌭:dog: (running the wrong way - It should go in the direction of typing - why hasn't anybody ever fixed that?)
 

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Ah, the racewalk, is there a stranger event on the athletic calendar?

It's so grueling I'm surprised anybody wants to do it, at that, but good luck to Evan Dunfee.
I used to have an upstairs neighbor who was a National Champion in the sport.

You do NOT want to live downstairs from a race walker! There were a few times he was getting ready to go somewhere (he was president of USATF-Adirondack Division, the offices of which were literally right underneath my apartment, so he was gone most of the time), at around 6 AM on a Sunday, and he was pounding around so much he woke me up.

His wife, the former Debbi Spino, is a 3-time Olympian for race walking.
 

Karina1974

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Misc. Watching artistic gymnastics and thinking of all these "sports" now, they should add baton twirling! Individual and teams. It's so acrobatic now. When I twirled, we didn't do cartwheels and stuff. Just routines. My friend and I made up a "pair" routine - tossing it to each other and everything. Funny.

Funnier - I saw on ESPN2, next to the MSNBC on the channel guide, had Corgi races. Sheesh. I've been to the Weiner Dog Summer Nationals at River Downs racetrack in Cincinnati a couple times. Dachshunds gone wild. That deserves a whole show too.🌭:dog: (running the wrong way - It should go in the direction of typing - why hasn't anybody ever fixed that?)

Isn't one of the criteria for adding a sport to the Olympics that there has to be one central international governing body for that sport? There are several international twirling organizations, and they all have different rules.

Here's a link with the differences between the international organizations:


I primarily competed NBTA, on a state/regional level. I twirled in the NYS Championship competition for 6 years, 1988-1993. I won Novice State Solo 2 years in a row and just missed 1st in Beginner State Solo the following year by a measly .2 of a point (went 2 seconds overtime). I quit in 1993 because I finished 4th in State Solo, never mind that I took 2nd in State Beginner Flag and 2nd in Open Solo, and WON Open Flag! That is a hard competition to win, simply because there are so many entrants. Plus I was in college and felt it was time to move on to other things.

Also did a few competitions in the TU and WTA systems. Never did USTA.

Plus, how do you decide which events? One baton, 2 or 3 batons, flag, hoop, X-strut, Twirl-strut (they used to call this event Parade Majorette), Show twirl.... And that just the individual events!
 

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Dang! Both stations are showing the basketball instead of the diving.
 

MacMadame

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I just turned to USA Network and it's rhythmic gymnastics with a team sitting in the Kiss 'n Cry and Mr. Mac says: it's figure skating without the ice! So I guess he agrees that RG is the Summer Cousin to figure skating. :D
 

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I had to watch the modern pentathlon show jumping after reading here. The German rider was really heartbreaking to watch. I felt terrible for her, the horse was in all sorts of crazy state. Strange competition format. How do they practice for this? You can practice jumping, but there’s a limit for how many unknown horses you can practice on on daily basis ;)

That said, lots of the others stood no chance. They were not good riders at all, they looked very hesitant and the horse totally took control. Indeed very trainwrecky
Some (who know more about horses than me) also say they are just not good enough riders. I like the idea that they have to ride an unknown horse. It's not that the horse is not trained for jumping. I felt sorry for the horse, not for the rider who could not win the horse's trust.
 

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Some (who know more about horses than me) also say they are just not good enough riders. I like the idea that they have to ride an unknown horse. It's not that the horse is not trained for jumping. I felt sorry for the horse, not for the rider who could not win the horse's trust.
It’s probably a combination of factors, as both horses that “sabotaged” their riders did so for both athletes they were ridden by and were consistently difficult. It’s not just Schleu. One of the former competitors interviewed by the BBC said that in small competitions you often get an unequal playing field with average and high quality horses but at the Olympics you expect better. He wasn’t impressed with the difference in the horses here and said considering the budget they had and time to prepare, the organisers should have done better.
 

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