2018 U.S. Elections - Midterms & More

Vash01

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I know everybody is talking about what is still going on, but this was still bugging me.

I looked at the Ohio map breakdown. Sherrod Brown won 53.2-46.8%. Areas around Cleveland, Toledo, Akron, Columbus, Cincinnati and Dayton are all blue. The rest of this podunk state is red.

For Governor, Mike Dewine beat Theresa Gasper 50.7-46.4%. All of the same areas are blue except for the Dayton area. Montgomery County went 48.8-48.3% for Dewine.

Why would they vote for a Democratic Senator and a republic Governor? Because Gasper is a woman? Dayton has a female mayor, so they probably went for Gasper. Maybe all of the affluent people in Oakwood who went for trump made the difference.

I’m glad for the blue wave elsewhere, but what is Dewine going to do to people in Ohio? Can he undo everything Kasich did?

And blue wave-wise, that's really cool. But all we needed was a majority. More democratic house members aren't going to make a difference are they? They can't stop 45 any better with one or two more. Remember - I'm politically dumb.
If I understand the experts, it sounds like the House can put Some controls on Trump, by forming committees to investigate his actions. For the last two years he had a free reign. The House has the power to impeach, though he will survive the senate, so he will not be removed.

I am split in my mind about impeachment. On one hand it will be good to humiliate him, but he will play the victim even more and mobilize his base. After Clinton was impeached but survived the senate, he was reelected in 1996. Do I have this right?

Unless the senate majority is very narrow, like 2, it will be impossible to get the senate to remove him, and even with the law majority it may be impossible, based on what happened in the BK hearings.

So the House needs to investigate Whitaker, his conversations with Trump, intentions, etc. They do gave subpoena power.

The next two years are going to be very unpleasant but I hope the sun will rise again. If Trump wins in 2020, I may try very hard to move to another country.
 

BlueRidge

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Sorry America but your electoral system is fcucked up. Why would any candidate/political party not want all the votes to be counted? Why do people have to confirm their votes are counted after they voted?
More voters, more votes = wins for Democrats; fewer voters, fewer votes = wins for Republicans. Hence a major activity of Republicans has been ensuring fewer voters and votes. Its anti-democratic and dishonest.

But we also need independent bodies to oversee the voting and the vote counting. Broward county in Florida is unable to carry out a competent election. And too many other places don't have enough documentation to ensure the process is fair when an election is close.

Its definitely fcucked up.
 

BlueRidge

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I read this earlier. Pulling out this part as it addresses @allezfred's post about things being effed up:

Cillizza: Finish this sentence: "The biggest lessons both parties going into the 2018 recounts should learn from the 2000 experience is ____________." Now, explain.

Toobin: "... elections should be run by well-funded professional administrators, not partisan hacks using outdated equipment."

It's simply absurd that we elect the people who run our elections -- usually the secretary of state. This is particularly outrageous, as in Georgia, where the secretary of state is a candidate in an election that is closely contested. At both the state and county level, partisans still run the elections in Florida, and that's the main root of the problem here. Partisans will never have the credibility that allows the losing side to accept the results without rancor or suspicion.
 

ballettmaus

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MacMadame

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Why do people have to confirm their votes are counted after they voted?
That generally only happens when there was something wrong with their registration. They get to vote anyway and then the vote is counted if the problem gets resolved.

The rest of it ... :yikes:
 

Susan1

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There's a real picture on FB from during one of the demonstrations the other day. A sign says "Our expectations for you were low, but HOLY F*CK" :) The * is mine. The sign had the "U" there.
 

ballettmaus

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There is the possibility that Ballots are still in the Oa-locka mail facility in Florida https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-ballots-are-still-inside-opa-locka-post-office-10899192


The Republican Party and WH are upset that McSally is not pushing conspiracy theories in AZ https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/09/sinema-mcsally-arizona-senate-race-982562
(I'm a bit confused - the Republicans filed a lawsuit against Democrats because they were checking signatures and Trump tweets that the signatures don't match and that's why he's alleging voter fraud?)


In four House race, Democrats have either taken the lead, expanded their lead or they're trailing by fewer votes. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-pol-house-vote-counts-20181109-story.html
 

Artistic Skaters

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I looked at the Ohio map breakdown. Sherrod Brown won 53.2-46.8%. Areas around Cleveland, Toledo, Akron, Columbus, Cincinnati and Dayton are all blue. The rest of this podunk state is red.

For Governor, Mike Dewine beat Theresa Gasper 50.7-46.4%. All of the same areas are blue except for the Dayton area. Montgomery County went 48.8-48.3% for Dewine.
Mike DeWine ran against Richard Cordray. The other area that normally votes blue is Athens County in southeastern OH.
 

skatesindreams

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Scott, and others who are suing counties; must surely know that the election is not over on "election day".
Many ballots are counted later; and the results are never "official" until they are certified!

This is standard practice.
 

nylynnr

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Scott, and others who are suing counties; must surely know that the election is not over on "election day".
Many ballots are counted later; and the results are never "official" until they are certified!

This is standard practice.
That isn't the issue. The issue is two counties in Florida, Broward and Palm Beach, did not provide the early vote totals (votes submitted before election day). Evidently, the supervisors in those counties still do not know how many votes came in early.
 

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Vash01

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Scott, and others who are suing counties; must surely know that the election is not over on "election day".
Many ballots are counted later; and the results are never "official" until they are certified!

This is standard practice.
Our election system is so messed up, Florida more than other states, IMO.

In AZ - after democrat Sinema took the lead, her republican opponent brought a law suit to stop counting early votes (The early votes are legal; many of us vote early by mail). They will have a court hearing. What kind of 'democracy' is this? Why not wait until every vote is counted? Let the chips fall where they may.

I would like to have a law to count every vote, with an option for any trailing candidate to give up/ stop before the counting is complete.
 

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Prior to this election cycle, although people thought of Connecticut as being a blue state, we actually were very purple with several large red strongholds. In addition, the outgoing governor was despised for some valid reasons. Locally, the Democrats held a slim majority in the state senate and the Republicans held a majority in the house. They also controlled quite a few down ballot positions.

Chris Murphy, whose re-election was never in question(he won by more than 20 points), put together a coordinated campaign approach for all contested positions up and down the ballot called FightBackConnecticut. I started volunteering during April through the election. I phone banked in no fewer than eight districts, contacting either Democrats who usually did not vote in the midterms or unaffiliated registered voters. There also was a fully coordinated door to door canvassing group. Every evening there would be one or more phone bank "parties" held prior to the primaries though Election Day. Canvassing started somewhat during the same time period.

The experience was very enlightening but definitely the fact that there were a whole bunch of "angry white guys" who either would get into arguments, hang up or would not let their wives get on the phone with us. My first thought about the last group was, "Honey, you still do not know how your wife will vote when she gets into the voting booth!" Overall, I have never seen such a well organized, professional operation, staffed predominantly by volunteers.

In the end, we won/held all of the major state races, won super majorities in the house and the senate and many of the down ballot positions(known as a trifecta). Interesting statistics during the last four days prior to the election(GOTV), more than 1,000,000 phone calls were made, more than 230,000 home canvasses completed and an additional 3,000 volunteers recruited.

Let's see what 2019 brings in support of the 2020 initiatives
 

Buzz

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Andrew Gillum has withdrawn his concession! He is calling for all votes to be counted but acknowledged that the result may not change.
 

VGThuy

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Andrew Gillum has withdrawn his concession! He is calling for all votes to be counted but acknowledged that the result may not change.
I'm glad. Even if the results don't change, I think he conceded way too early.
 

Cachoo

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I noticed that California takes it's time counting ballots and doesn't apologize for it. Why can't Florida get it together? It is much easier counting in a less populous state. We shouldn't even be talking about "apparent" winners in some of these states on election night.
 

Vash01

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The public and the MSM need to be patient. We are spoiled and expect the results night of the elections. We may know some results but not all. There are some close elections as we have seen. I hope this election will be a lesson. A lot of patience is needed by everyone. Getting it right is more important than finding out the results ASAP.

The republicans need to stop voter suppression and other tactics to win elections Let everyone vote and let every vote count. I know I am asking for too much.
 

Sparks

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The election results are never officially declared by a state until all votes are counted.
Only when the number of votes are so close do we hear of late counting.
When it is is statistically clear that the uncounted votes won't make a difference, that's when races get called earlier.
 

skatingguy

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Other countries/regions manage to do it, including those with absentee ballots and early voting.
I think these issues exist in lots of locations, it's just that Florida is close. Who cares if it takes four days to count the votes if 2/3 or more are for one candidate, but when the result is in doubt suddenly the focus makes the problems look worse than they are. Of course things should be better, but the truth of the matter is that in many ways the US is still conducting elections like it's 1780 something.
 

sk9tingfan

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The public and the MSM need to be patient. We are spoiled and expect the results night of the elections. We may know some results but not all. There are some close elections as we have seen. I hope this election will be a lesson. A lot of patience is needed by everyone. Getting it right is more important than finding out the results ASAP.

The republicans need to stop voter suppression and other tactics to win elections Let everyone vote and let every vote count. I know I am asking for too much.
This is especially true when there are multiple voting options including standard balloting, mail-in and absentee ballots and provisional ballots, etc. If all options were automated, the speed would be greater, but that's not necessarily the case. And in such large states as California and Florida with so many districts with varying types of equipment, etc. the issues are further compounded.
 

ballettmaus

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Other countries/regions manage to do it, including those with absentee ballots and early voting.
There might be more polling places and thus, fewer votes per place to count. I know of three polling places that are within a five-minute walking distance of where I live in Berlin. I don't know if they always use all of them in every election but I've already voted in all three.
 

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