2022-23 Pairs General Discussion - You Get a GP! You Get a GP! All of You Get a GP!

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airgelaal said:
I remember the season after Vancouver and the situation was no better. And then russian and Chinese pairs competed. But the apocalypse did not happen and everything was fine
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As reigning silver, bronze and 'pewter' medalists I think Pang/Tong, Savchenko/Szolwoky and Kavaguti/Smirnov would disagree with the situation being no better. They were all on the GP that fall. K/S only did one event as he was still recovering from surgery - and still won!

We also had a really strong second tier of new pairs/new to the Sr. level such as Sui/Han, Duhamel/Radford, MT/Mosco, Lubov/Maisuradze, Takahashi/Tran. All three US teams were about on par with this group as well - Caitlyn/someone not named, Evora/Ladwig and Denney/Barrett. Then at worlds, Volo/Trankov first competed.
 
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SidelineSkater said:
As reigning silver, bronze and 'pewter' medalists I think Pang/Tong, Savchenko/Szolwoky and Kavaguti/Smirnov would disagree with the situation being no better. They were all on the GP that fall. K/S only did one event as he was still recovering from surgery - and still won!

We also had a really strong second tier of new pairs/new to the Sr. level such as Sui/Han, Duhamel/Radford, MT/Mosco, Lubov/Maisuradze, Takahashi/Tran. All three US teams were about on par with this group as well - Caitlyn/someone not named, Evora/Ladwig and Denney/Barrett. Then at worlds, Volo/Trankov first competed.
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Savchenko/Szolwoky with a jump 2S would disagree :shuffle: I remember the last GP in France was a disaster because there were no replacements at all.
In 2010, all these couples did not seem so strong. And, perhaps, the couples who are now collecting medals will be considered the same stars in 12 years.
 
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airgelaal said:
Savchenko/Szolwoky with a jump 2S would disagree :shuffle: I remember the last GP in France was a disaster because there were no replacements at all.
In 2010, all these couples did not seem so strong. And, perhaps, the couples who are now collecting medals will be considered the same stars in 12 years.
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Uh. I guess we have different ideas of 'situation no better'. How can you compare 2-3-4 finishers at the Olympics competing the next season with none of top 5 finishers competing the next season? Especially with the caliber of P/T, S/S, and K/S?

And your jump 2S argument? S/S did a 3T/3T sequence in that same FS, which no one else was really doing at the time. Or even 12 years later for that matter.

So yeah, please continue comparing the top teams of that post-Olympic season with this one. Russia and China DID compete that grand prix season.

However, I do hope this rebuilding season continues to produce top and mid ranked teams of high quality.
 
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Spikefan said:
I do wish they would fix the age rule for junior pairs, you don’t age out until the youngest partner. Maybe make an age gap limit?
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Karen-W said:
That's not a bad idea, though I do think there should be an upper age limit - maybe 23?
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airgelaal said:
I don't think this is correct. 13 year old and 23 year old are both juniors?
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Belsornia said:
Obviously it sucks for individual pairs who are already together, but I think the rule is fine. Teams with a four year sporting age gap (so up to almost five calendar years depending on birthdays) don’t have to sit out any years of international competition, and that’s a large enough difference.

If anything, just add a grandfather clause for teams who had competed internationally or at national championships before the senior age change was passed (which I guess would help Bar/Tiou but not Mura/Mori).
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skatingguy said:
I like the idea of a maximum age gap - say 7 years.
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Karen-W said:
My comment was in conjunction with @Spikefan's suggestion of a maximum age-differential between the two partners as well as allowing a team to remain junior until the youngest partner ages out. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'd be in favor of the ISU implementing a maximum age-differential of, say, 7 years, which is what we have now, along with increasing the age maximum to 23 for junior pairs men to allow for a 23yr old & a 16 yr old to compete internationally as juniors and then move up to seniors the next season when the female partner is age-eligible.
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Bringing this over here to the Pairs General discussion thread from the JGPF Pairs FS pbp thread...
 
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Sooooo, looking ahead to Euros and 4CCs now that there are no further pairs competitions for teams to attain the minimums at...

ISU European, ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2023:
SP/RD FS/FD
PAIR SKATING 25.00 42.00

Euros field - 15 teams
3: ITA, RUS*
2: BLR*, GEO, GER, HUN, ESP

Seems pretty safe, at this point, to assume that we won't see Russia or Belarus at Euros.

AUT - Schaller/Mayr (earned the SP min at Golden Spin finally!)
CZE - Zukova/Bidar or Simioli/Zarbo - we'll know next weekend after Four Nationals, I presume
ESP - none (see link above re: Barquero/Zandron's status)
FRA - Kovalev/Kovalev
GBR - Vaipan-Law/Digby
GEO - Metelkina/Parkman & Safina/Berulava (presuming she's healthy)
GER - Efimova/Blommaert & Hocke/Kunkel (looked at the German Euros rankings this morning and RoSchu are so far back, it seems pretty set)
HUN - Pavlova/Sviatchenko (earned TES mins at Golden Spin debut)
ITA - Conti/Macii, Ghilardi/Ambrosini & Beccari/Guarise (see @Andrea82's update in the Italian news thread this morning re: the Euros race)
NED - Osipova/Epstein? (Golden Spin was the determinant for their dance team - higher placing team got the Euros ticket, so I'm guessing it's the same for pairs, but it might be some combined score since they also competed against each other at Espoo)
SWE - Crafoord/Crafoord
UKR - Sierova/Khobta or Holichenko/Darenskiy - does anyone know 1) if HolDar are healthy yet?, 2) if so, what Ukraine's selection criteria is?

4CCs field - 13 teams max
AUS - Golubeva/Giotopoulos-Moore, Chernyshova/Windsor (presuming they're still a team - they're not listed on the Australian 2023 National Squad per ISA's IG post from last week)
CAN - Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps, Pereira/Michaud, McIntosh/Mimar
CHN - Peng/Jin, Wang/Jia, Zhang/Yang
JPN - Miura/Kihara
PHI - Gamez/Korovin
USA - Chan/Howe, Smirnova/Siianytsia, Kam/O'Shea (presuming that Knierim/Frazier skip 4CCs to appear in Art on Ice as scheduled)

Worlds is still murky - plenty of chances for some of these teams to get the World TES mins they're lacking...
 
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I'm looking at the entry list for Austrian Nationals next weekend and it lists 4 pairs teams - 1 each in Senior, Junior, Advanced Novice & Basic Novice. Senior team is Schaller/Mayr, and the Junior team is Ghedini/Maierhofer, which explains why we haven't seen them compete at all this fall - there have been very few junior pairs competitions since the JGP concluded (I think maybe NRW?).

Depending on how they look at Austrian Nationals, it is entirely possible they will be entered to compete at either IceLab Cup or Bavarian Open the first week of February in order to try and earn the TES mins for Jr Worlds - Maierhofer doesn't turn 21 until next May, so they should be age-eligible.
 
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Looks like there is a new junior pairs team from Slovakia competing at Four Nationals Championship this weekend - Nikola Sitkova/Oliver Kubacak. He was partnered with Margareta Muskova last season - they competed at one JGP (ISU bio).

Kucianova/Vochozka from CZE also competed in junior pairs.

Two senior pairs - Simioli/Zarbo, who made their debut representing CZE at Warsaw Cup last month, and Pavlova/Sviatchenko, who made their debut last weekend at Golden Spin, representing HUN.

I watched the two senior pairs this afternoon during my lunch break with the volume turned down, but plan on re-watching them again as well as the junior teams, especially since this is the debut for Sitkova/Kubacak and our first chance to see Pavlova/Sviatchenko thanks to the lack of a stream at Golden Spin.

Here's the link, cued to start with junior pairs, from earlier today - https://youtu.be/BxfKL75DYeA?t=27602

I'm looking forward to the free skates tomorrow!

Spanish Nationals is also happening this weekend with two junior teams, including the debut of Linda de Nardin/Patricio Rossi. I know there was a free stream and I plan on searching it out later.

Also, tomorrow & Sunday we'll have Italian Nationals to look forward to with five teams competing in senior pairs and two in juniors! Unfortunately, Austrian, Finnish and Swedish Nationals don't have free streams, otherwise I'd be excited to check those out (Austrian junior debut of Ghedini/Maierhofer and Finnish senior debut of Vaananen/Clerici - who can't compete internationally until next season).
 
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PAIRS (18 countries) - ISU Season Technical Element Score Statistics 2022/2023 & 2021/2022 (Standing as of 12.12.2022 09:37 UTC)

Anastasia GOLUBEVA / Hektor GIOTOPOULOS MOOREAUSISU CS Warsaw Cup 202217/11/202235.15SISU CS Warsaw Cup 202219/11/202263.85S
Sophia SCHALLER / Livio MAYR (new)AUTISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202208/12/202226.04STayside Trophy 202216/10/202248.70S
Tilda ALTERYD / Gabriel FARAND (new)CANISU CS Warsaw Cup 202217/11/202225.79SISU CS Warsaw Cup 202219/11/202240.55S
Kelly Ann LAURIN / Loucas ETHIERCANISU GP Skate America 202221/10/202228.93SISU GP Skate America 202222/10/202253.73S
Lori-Ann MATTE / Thierry FERLANDCANISU CS Warsaw Cup 202118/11/202132.80SISU GP Skate Canada International 202130/10/202158.72S
Brooke MCINTOSH / Benjamin MIMARCANISU GP NHK Trophy 202218/11/202235.53SISU GP Skate Canada International 202229/10/202258.02S
Lia PEREIRA / Trennt MICHAUD (new)CANISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202208/12/202234.26SISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202209/12/202259.75S
Deanna STELLATO-DUDEK / Maxime DESCHAMPSCANISU GP Skate America 202221/10/202240.79SISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 202223/09/202261.91S
Huidi WANG / Ziqi JIACHNISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202208/12/202225.86SISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202209/12/202256.55S
Siyang ZHANG / Yongchao YANGCHNISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202208/12/202230.84SISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202209/12/202256.96S
Federica SIMIOLI / Alessandro ZARBOCZEISU CS Warsaw Cup 202217/11/202226.23SISU CS Warsaw Cup 202219/11/202244.20S
Jelizaveta ZUKOVA / Martin BIDARCZEISU CS Warsaw Cup 202118/11/202133.80SISU European Championships 202213/01/202254.90S
Aurelie FAULA / Theo BELLE (new)FRATrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202221/10/202222.60STrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202222/10/202234.52S
Coline KERIVEN / Tom BOUVART (new)FRATrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202221/10/202222.84STrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202222/10/202232.95S
Camille KOVALEV / Pavel KOVALEVFRAISU GP Grand Prix de France 202204/11/202236.67SISU GP Grand Prix de France 202205/11/202256.01S
Oceane PIEGAD / Denys STREKALIN (new)FRAISU GP Grand Prix de France 202204/11/202225.95SISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 202223/09/202245.46S
Oxana VOUILLAMOZ / Flavien GINIAUXFRATrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202221/10/202230.81STrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202222/10/202246.93S
Lydia SMART / Harry MATTICKGBRTrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202221/10/202224.33SIceChallenge 202212/11/202246.71S
Anastasia VAIPAN-LAW / Luke DIGBYGBRThe Tayside Trophy 202106/11/202133.10SThe Tayside Trophy 202107/11/202150.57S
Anastasiia METELKINA / Daniil PARKMANGEOBudapest Trophy 202116/10/202137.44SBudapest Trophy 202117/10/202163.51S
Karina SAFINA / Luka BERULAVAGEOISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 2021 - OWG Qualifying23/09/202137.66SXXIV Olympic Winter Games 202219/02/202263.88S
Alisa EFIMOVA / Ruben BLOMMAERT (new)GERISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 202222/09/202237.79SISU CS Finlandia Trophy 202207/10/202258.93S
Annika HOCKE / Robert KUNKELGERISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 202222/09/202239.01SISU GP Grand Prix de France 202205/11/202259.83S
Letizia ROSCHER / Luis SCHUSTERGERISU CS Warsaw Cup 202217/11/202235.12SISU CS Finlandia Trophy 202207/10/202254.65S
Maria PAVLOVA / Alexei SVIATCHENKO (new)HUNISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202208/12/202228.91SISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202209/12/202252.21S
Lucrezia BECCARI / Matteo GUARISE (new)ITAISU CS Warsaw Cup 202217/11/202233.98SISU CS Warsaw Cup 202219/11/202252.39S
Irma CALDARA / Riccardo MAGLIOITATrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202221/10/202235.02SISU GP MK John Wilson Trophy 202212/11/202254.76S
Sara CONTI / Niccolo MACIIITAISU GP MK John Wilson Trophy 202211/11/202238.05SISU Grand Prix Final 2022/2309/12/202260.91S
Rebecca GHILARDI / Filippo AMBROSINIITAISU GP Grand Prix Espoo 202225/11/202236.59SISU CS U.S. International FS Classic 202214/09/202262.50S
Anna VALESI / Manuel PIAZZAITAISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 202222/09/202229.86SLombardia Trophy 202218/09/202254.53S
Riku MIURA / Ryuichi KIHARAJPNISU GP NHK Trophy 202218/11/202243.44SXXIV Olympic Winter Games 202207/02/202270.11S
Daria DANILOVA / Michel TSIBANEDISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202208/12/202232.97SISU GP NHK Trophy 202219/11/202253.65S
Nika OSIPOVA / Dmitry EPSTEINNEDIceChallenge 202211/11/202233.86SISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202209/12/202256.83S
Isabella GAMEZ / Aleksandr KOROVIN (new)PHITrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202221/10/202225.26STrophee Metropole Nice Cote d'Azur 202222/10/202247.73S
Julia MAUDER / Johannes WILKINSON (new)RSAISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202208/12/202220.40SISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202209/12/202229.50S
Greta CRAFOORD / John CRAFOORDSWE2021 Cranberry Cup International14/08/202127.47S2021 John Nicks Pairs Challenge at Middle Atlantics10/09/202155.67S
Sofiia HOLICHENKO / Artem DARENSKYIUKRDenis Ten Memorial Challenge 202128/10/202130.37SDenis Ten Memorial Challenge 202129/10/202154.36S
Violetta SIEROVA / Ivan KHOBTAUKRISU CS Warsaw Cup 202217/11/202229.98SISU CS Warsaw Cup 202219/11/202252.34S
Emily CHAN / Spencer Akira HOWEUSAISU GP Skate Canada International 202228/10/202237.32SISU GP NHK Trophy 202219/11/202260.90S
Linzy FITZPATRICK / Keyton BEARINGER (new)USA2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge08/09/202223.85S2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge09/09/202238.69S
Evelyn Grace HANNS / Danny NEUDECKER (new)USA2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge08/09/202233.00S2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge09/09/202244.58S
Ellie KAM / Danny O'SHEA (new)USAIceChallenge 202211/11/202236.65SIceChallenge 202212/11/202258.65S
Alexa KNIERIM / Brandon FRAZIERUSAISU Grand Prix Final 2022/2308/12/202243.07SISU World Championships 202224/03/202272.72S
Katie MCBEATH / Nathan BARTHOLOMAYUSAISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202208/12/202233.75SISU CS Autumn Classic International 202117/09/202160.41S
Maria MOKHOVA / Ivan MOKHOVUSA2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge08/09/202231.22SISU CS U.S. International FS Classic 202214/09/202253.97S
Nina OUELLETTE / Rique NEWBY-ESTRELLA (new)USA2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge08/09/202225.44S2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge09/09/202248.06S
Valentina PLAZAS / Maximiliano FERNANDEZUSAISU CS Finlandia Trophy 202206/10/202234.45S2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge09/09/202257.75S
Anastasiia SMIRNOVA / Danylo SIIANYTSIAUSAISU GP Grand Prix Espoo 202225/11/202235.69SISU CS 54th Golden Spin of Zagreb 202209/12/202255.55S


Yet to compete internationally this season (status?):
Wenjing SUI / Cong HANCHNXXIV Olympic Winter Games 202218/02/202245.96SXXIV Olympic Winter Games 202219/02/202278.61S
Cheng PENG / Yang JINCHNISU GP Gran Premio D'Italia 202105/11/202141.79SXXIV Olympic Winter Games 202219/02/202269.03S
Maria CHERNYSHOVA / Harley WINDSORAUSISU CS 53rd Golden Spin of Zagreb 202109/12/202125.02SISU CS 53rd Golden Spin of Zagreb 202110/12/202143.39S
Laura BARQUERO / Marco ZANDRONESPLombardia Trophy 202111/09/202137.18SISU CS Finlandia Trophy 202108/10/202163.99S

Split after having competed this fall:
Miyu YUNOKI / Shoya ICHIHASHIJPNISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 202222/09/202225.61SISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 202223/09/202247.78S
Megan WESSENBERG / Blake EISENACHUSA2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge08/09/202229.13S2022 John Nicks Pairs Challenge09/09/202250.92S

ETA: Blake Eisenach is skating on Holiday on Ice's SUPERNOVA tour now.
 
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Karen-W said:
Sooooo, looking ahead to Euros ...
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NED - Osipova/Epstein? (Golden Spin was the determinant for their dance team - higher placing team got the Euros ticket, so I'm guessing it's the same for pairs, but it might be some combined score since they also competed against each other at Espoo)
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Osipova/Epstein jointly posted 2 days ago ("Great news! Proud and happy to announce that we will represent the Netherlands on upcoming European Championship"): https://www.instagram.com/p/CmPY2o0ofIN/
 
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Andrea82 said:
If I translated correctly the recap by Czech Federation on Four Nationals, they are sending Simioli/Zarbo to Euros
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I wonder what the deal with Zukova/Bidar is at this point. They WD from NHK due to a death in one of their families, IIRC, but that was a month ago.
 
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Sylvia said:
This Week in Skating's pocast (Dec. 19, 2022) features a roundtable pairs discussion with guests Meagan Duhamel & Claire Cloutier:
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LOL - I'm dying near the end where Meagan disses the musical choices of both MiuKih and KniFraz, suggesting they need to try other musical styles. Go ahead, Meagan, broach that topic over Christmas dinner with your husband and sister-in-law. :rofl:
 
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And Zukova/Bidar are done.

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Per Instagram, Zhukova/Bidar are no more. He says they are both going in different directions, and we will soon see what happens next.

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Martin Bidař on Instagram: "Ahoj všichni!👋 Tímto bychom chtěli já a Líza oznámit konec naší společné závodní kariéry. Byly to nádherné okamžiky a společně prožité roky, na které nikdy nezapomeneme. Tato naše cesta nám hodně dala a budeme na ní vždy

923 likes, 65 comments - martinbidar13December 22, 2022 on : "Ahoj všichni!👋 Tímto bychom chtěli já a Líza oznámit konec naší společné závodní kariéry. Byly to nádherné okamžiky a..."
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I was just coming here to post the announcement from Czech Figure Skating with a quote from Jelizaveta...

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Czech Figure Skating on Instagram: "Česká sportovní dvojice Martin Bidař, Jelizaveta Žuková se společně na ledě už nepředstaví.😞 Osmnáctiletá krasobruslařka se rozhodla ukončit své působení v české dvojici z rodinných důvodů.⛸ “Jsem ráda, že repreze

342 likes, 6 comments - czechfigureskatingDecember 22, 2022 on : "Česká sportovní dvojice Martin Bidař, Jelizaveta Žuková se společně na ledě už nepředstaví.😞 Osmnáctiletá krasobruslařk..."
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Re-posting here from the Australian news thread today:
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Harley Windsor announced the end of his partnership with Maria Chernyshova in an IG story.
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Their only international was Golden Spin in December 2021: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00111919.htm
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Just watched it. No reason given „it wasn’t meant to be“ and that he wants to go on skating so anyone looking for a pairs partner send him a DM.
What about Minerva Haase?
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@Hedwig - from earlier in this thread (Nov. 11):
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There are posts in the German news thread about Minerva Hase & Nikita Volodin from this past Friday, starting here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...s-2022-2023-season.109792/page-2#post-6333347
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Cross-psoting from the US Pairs thread...

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So absolutely bummed to see this announcement from Cayla Smith that she and Andy Deng have ended their partnership!

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Cayla Smith on Instagram: "After three years, three levels, four seasons, two national gold medals, three international medals, and so many great memories, Andy and I have decided to end our partnership. Three years ago, I moved to Indiana for my dad

651 likes, 34 comments - caylasquirrel on January 10, 2023: "After three years, three levels, four seasons, two national gold medals, three international medals, and so many great memories, Andy and..."
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I'm glad she plans to look for a new partner - I hope she is successful because she's a star in the making.
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Machine translations:

MOSCOW, January 17 - RIA Novosti, Alena Sulizova. Karina Safina, performing in a sports pair with Luka Berulava, suffered a knee injury, because of this, the skaters withdrew from the European Championships, the coach of the athletes Pavel Slyusarenko told RIA Novosti.
Earlier, the head of the Georgian Figure Skating Federation, Mariam Giorgobiani , stated that the couple would not compete at the European Championships, as Safina had health problems.
“Karina has a knee injury – the same as at the Grand Prix. She is recovering slowly, no one can say how long it will take. As soon as she recovers, she will return to the competition,” Slyusarenko said.

MOSCOW, January 17 - RIA Novosti, Svetlana Bonopartova. The sports couple Anastasia Metelkina / Daniil Parkman broke up, President of the Georgian Figure Skating Federation Mariam Giorgobiani told RIA Novosti.
"The couple of Anastasia Metelkina and Daniil Parkman broke up," said Giorgobiani.
Metelkina and Parkman took 16th place at the 2021 World Championships.
 
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AngieNikodinovLove said:
I was just talking about this exact topic with my friend from the boards here about 10 minutes ago. It was very noticeable for me tonight. Is she specifically targeting USA pairs. The link is not opening for me
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No, she clarifies that she means WORLDWIDE - which is what I said in my post.
 
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LeafOnTheWind said:
She responded to someone that her timing was bad but it was a worldwide problem when they defended US teams
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The best part was when someone pointed out that Peng/Jin are the ones who really started this trend a few years ago. They're not wrong.

Honestly, though, while I don't entirely disagree with her, I'd rather see the teams going clean than falling all over the place.
 
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