Cipres accused of sexual misconduct

[nimi]

In related news... J/C are not on the entry list for French Nats next week, but they are supposed to make a public appearance tomorrow: "Vendredi 13 : à 18 h 30, inauguration de la patinoire, spectacle sur glace avec la participation de Morgan Cipres et Vanessa James, champions d’Europe en couple 2019"

Morgan Cipres et Vanessa James patineront pour le Noël camarguais

Noël en Camargue et ses festivités de fin d’année s’annonce particulièrement attractif. La Ville a concocté un programme alléchant, familial et très varié pour les petits comme pour les grands, réunissant traditions,...

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[canbelto]

These comments are disgusting. This is why sexual abuse survivors need therapy. Because they are repeatedly blamed and attacked.

 

[PRlady]

Not that it will make any of us feel any better, but this demonstrates just how awful and widespread the problem of sexual abusers getting away with it is in the sports world: https://www.timesrecordnews.com/in-...hletes-punished-sex-offenses-play/4360460002/

 

[Judy]

For some it’s an attempt just to understand. My former brother-in-law was a dectecive with child pornography/child luring in Ottawa. It’s in every country and city. The internet opened that up. His first arrest was a lawyer in the justice department. If he did this there is likely an extensive history through computer/phones etc and they have the technology to uncover it.

 

[Peaches LaTour]

This is so f*cked up.

If this is true, they should be banned from coaching.

 

[UGG]

All the posters holding the 13 year old child accountable in this thread are disgusting.

 

[VGThuy]

The whole conversation reminds me a bit the stuff we were discussing a couple of years ago. Perhaps he wasn't drunk driving/perhaps the road conditions were bad/ perhaps it's the other driver's fault/ may be something was wrong with the car.... and being terribly sorry for Denkova.

This should be copied and pasted every time a new thread is posted about sexual misconduct.

 

[Arwen17]

Stalking this thread for awhile now.

I'm curious and trying to imagine just what in the world must be going on in that rink as soon as this was announced in that news article.
Has anyone experienced any similar situation?
I assume there's a flurry of meetings with rink staff to "say nothing" to the press who might start following you around for a story.
But what about parents/students and these coaches? Is there an immediate flurry of students/parents texting the coaches and immediately quitting on the spot? Or do they continue "business as usual" with these coaches until more proof/information comes out? How in the world does a skater/parents respond to this when there's so little information so far? I suppose the rink itself may have more information than we do in a news article.... just from "hearsay" and "rumor" around the rink. But I'm trying to figure out what I would do if this happened at my rink and I'm drawing up blank. It's the only rink for a million miles around, so it's not like I have "other choices" to go to.
Even if you do have other choices, it takes time to transfer elsewhere, which disrupts your training schedule. The rink is the place I go to get my mind off everything. It's paradise. What happens when paradise turns into hell and suddenly you can't skate to "get your mind off things" because all of those things on your mind are at the rink? It would be like walking thru a war-zone on egg-shells, the exact opposite of calm and tranquility.

 

[Carolla5501]

If the girl knowingly asked for the pictures, why then would she want to report it? My speculation, forgive me, is that the reason she is in therapy is not because she received the pictures or was asked to muffle them. It is possible that she feels guilty for encouraging a crime. Of course this has Nothing to do with any of MC's previous alleged crimes.

All I am saying is that it adds to the things she might need to work out with a therapist.

You might be the one who needs to work with a therapist. You seem to be able to read a lot into this where you’re apparently blaming the child

“She feels guilty because she encouraged a crime”

iYou have no evidence the child encouraged anything. You should be ashamed yourself Feel guilty for even having thoughts like that

Your amateur therapy act is disgusting and vile

 

[MAXSwagg]

I’m assuming the defense will he he didn’t know the recipient was 13 years old. Did he know??

 

[Sparks]

Of course he knew

 

[skateboy]

Just chiming in, as a male, to say that I am very disappointed that many on this thread have inferred -- or outright said -- that men "think with their members." Sorry, but most men -- yes, even young men -- have their urges in check, know the difference between right and wrong, and have better things to do with their lives than solely being focused on getting their rocks off.

Can you imagine how this thread would blow up if male posters here started making generalized comments about how "women are?"

Please, let's knock it off with the sexist assumptions.

 

[Aerobicidal]

Why didn’t they let their parents know about that strange prodding if they felt uncomfortable right then and there?

I may be misinterpreting this, but to me this question implies that a 13-year-old girl would immediately tell her parents about anything troubling, including sexual topics involving adults--adults in a position of power over her--adults she might (however much she shouldn't) love, trust, and admire.

There is so much evidence that this isn't the case, I don't even know where to start. The HBO Larry Nassar documentary would be one place.

It's clear that in figure skating, like gymnastics, there is an institutionalized pattern of abuse and assault. I imagine there are many people in the community who want to speak out about it, who want to do something about it, but aren't sure how. Or fear that, if they do, they'll be punished or (for lack of a better word) blacklisted.

I'm not speculating about the facts in this particular case--who told whom, when, why, how, etc. It doesn't matter to me. But the way people frame these issues, when that either blames or places unfair demands on survivors, does matter.

 

[Frau Muller]

I’m assuming the defense will he he didn’t know the recipient was 13 years old. Did he know??

Good question but I’m guessing “yes”. A 13-year-old cannot be mistaken for an adult the way that a 17-yr-old can.

 

[Carolla5501]

Just chiming in, as a male, to say that I am very disappointed that many on this thread have inferred -- or outright said -- that men "think with their members." Sorry, but most men -- yes, even young men -- have their urges in check, know the difference between right and wrong, and have better things to do with their lives than solely being focused on getting their rocks off.

Can you imagine how this thread would blow up if male posters here started making generalized comments about how "women are?"

Please, let's knock it off with the sexist assumptions.

Well it's pretty apparent that this particular skater was not thinking with a brain or that if he was his brain needs to be adjusted!

 

[skateboy]

Well it's pretty apparent that this particular skater was not thinking with a brain or that if he was his brain needs to be adjusted!

I agree. It's also apparent that you either missed my point or have no desire to consider it.

 

[Frau Muller]

All the posters holding the 13 year old child accountable in this thread are disgusting.

I agree. I certainly am not holding the girl responsible, as some screaming mimis have inferred. It’s Cipres’ (alleged) misbehavior that is truly disgusting...the object of my words about differing values in different generations, whether true or not. Any person who posts photos of private parts on social media is a creep.

 

[antmanb]

Just chiming in, as a male, to say that I am very disappointed that many on this thread have inferred -- or outright said -- that men "think with their members." Sorry, but most men -- yes, even young men -- have their urges in check, know the difference between right and wrong, and have better things to do with their lives than solely being focused on getting their rocks off.

Can you imagine how this thread would blow up if male posters here started making generalized comments about how "women are?"

Please, let's knock it off with the sexist assumptions.

I’m sorry but as a fellow man I disagree with you. Toxic masculinity is present everywhere. I’ve worked In at least 8 different corporate businesses/law firms and it’s always the same whenever men are by themselves and feel in “safe” company the talk always turns to sex, inappropriate discussions about female coworkers, their breasts, what they wear, how they’re begging for it and on and on. It’s truly sickening. And the minute you add alcohol to this it gets a hundred times worse.

No it’s not all men, it might not even be a majority of men but enough vocal ones that other men may feel the pressure to keep up with and it starts to look like a majority. And if you speak out about you’re looked at like an alien. There’s a reason Trump genuinely believes there’s nothing wrong with his “locker room” talk.

 

[tony]

None of this needs to be swept under the rug and I know there will be a full investigation, but the most pressing question that remains on my mind is the initial conversation that Vinny Dispenza had with the 13 year old. Was this just something that came out of nowhere in the middle of a lesson? Was it something he had hinted toward or even talked about with her or other underage skaters prior to this? Reason I'm wondering so much is because I absolutely cannot see this coming out of left field and feel it's more likely that he had prior engagement in the topics, whether subtle or obvious. And then, as I commented way earlier, I really would be curious to know what his goal was with said tactic. Cipres is obviously deservedly in a lot of trouble, but Dispenza should most certainly be investigated to see how the conversation came about.

 

[skateboy]

I’m sorry but as a fellow man I disagree with you. Toxic masculinity is present everywhere. I’ve worked In at least 8 different corporate businesses/law firms and it’s always the same whenever men are by themselves and feel in “safe” company the talk always turns to sex, inappropriate discussions about female coworkers, their breasts, what they wear, how they’re begging for it and on and on. It’s truly sickening. And the minute you add alcohol to this it gets a hundred times worse.

No it’s not all men, it might not even be a majority of men but enough vocal ones that other men may feel the pressure to keep up with and it starts to look like a majority. And if you speak out about you’re looked at like an alien. There’s a reason Trump genuinely believes there’s nothing wrong with his “locker room” talk.

Sure, many men do indulge in "locker room" talk. Frankly, so do a lot of women. And that's okay and harmless (our PSOTY here on this forum is no accident). But most locker room talk -- from both sexes -- stays in the locker room. My point is that most men, along with women, do know the difference between right and wrong.

I will now keep quiet in this thread.

 

[antmanb]

Sure, many men do indulge in "locker room" talk. Frankly, so do a lot of women. But most of it stays in the locker room. My point is that most men do know the difference between right and wrong.

If they knew right from wrong they wouldn’t be debasing their coworkers in this way to begin with. And a huge distinction here is there’s a difference between talking to your closest friends and talking to your coworkers. They should never talk about their coworkers in that way and to suggest that the coworker is somehow begging for it turns into an even creepier thing because, add alcohol, and they start to believe the narrative they have created. I’ve seen this with my own eyes on so many occasions that I find it very worrying.

We need to do a lot of work on how men view the world starting from when they’re little boys otherwise things will never change.

I will now keep quiet in this thread.

Please don’t keep quiet. It’s not my intention to silence you, I think it’s a conversation that needs to be had, and more men need to discuss it and see where we are at.

 

[misskarne]

I’m assuming the defense will he he didn’t know the recipient was 13 years old. Did he know??

It doesn't matter. Legally that is not a defense - and the onus is on Cipres to check.

None of this needs to be swept under the rug and I know there will be a full investigation, but the most pressing question that remains on my mind is the initial conversation that Vinny Dispenza had with the 13 year old. Was this just something that came out of nowhere in the middle of a lesson? Was it something he had hinted toward or even talked about with her or other underage skaters prior to this?

Ten bucks says this was definitely not the first time something inappropriate had come up. I bet those poor girls were being groomed.

 

[skateboy]

Please don’t keep quiet. It’s not my intention to silence you, I think it’s a conversation that needs to be had, and more men need to discuss it and see where we are at.

Well, okay then.

I edited my previous post to add a few words.

I'm hesitant to open up an entirely new can of worms, but... is it not true that (some) women also fawn over men's asses, muscles, pecs... and other body parts? I've certainly witnessed such discussions... and I'm okay with it. (PSOTY thread on this forum, anyone?) Honestly, "locker room" talk, from both sexes, is pretty normal and harmless. After all, most of us are not asexual, nor virgins.

But I do draw the line when all, or the majority, of men are looked at as "thinking with their members." Perhaps it's true that men are naturally more sexually charged than women, but most men are decent people and would never consider doing anything close to what Cipres is alleged to have done, let alone assault or rape someone.

 

[PRlady]

Well, okay then.

I edited my previous post to add a few words.

I'm hesitant to open up an entirely new can of worms, but... is it not true that (some) women also fawn over men's asses, muscles, pecs... and other body parts? I've certainly witnessed such discussions... and I'm okay with it. (PSOTY thread on this forum, anyone?) Honestly, "locker room" talk, from both sexes, is pretty normal and harmless. After all, most of us are not asexual, nor virgins.

But I do draw the line when all, or the majority, of men are looked at as "thinking with their members." Perhaps it's true that men are naturally more sexually charged than women, but most men are decent people and would never consider doing anything close to what Cipres is alleged to have done, let alone assault or rape someone.

Some women do that, some of us think it's sort of emulating guys at their worst. Personally I'm a big fan of beautiful eyes but it would be a lie to say I don't appreciate beautiful male bodies.

Most young men, pushed to the wall, will admit they think with the small head as often as with the large one, and psychological research backs that up. Most men don't translate that into nasty action, some only do with nasty speech, a few cross the line. "Thinking with your member" only means you have sex on the brain a lot of the time, that your reaction to whatever sex you're attracted to is often sexual whether you show it or not, and so on. It doesn't mean acting on your impulses or reactions. Most men don't.

 

[TAHbKA]

@skateboy, my point was that it's not that all men behave like idiots, but that in order to be safe, unfortunately, all women find themselves at some point in a situation when they don't know whether the male behind them will be the said idiot or you.
For example, when walking alone on a dark street am 99% sure all the men around me are normal human beings, but for that 1% they are not - I'd have to be careful. Just a sad reality where the minority of the men make 100% of the women uncomfortable. So yes, if a man comes behind me in a dark corner and innocently asks what time is it now my first reaction will be feeling really really really uncomfortable and slightly scared. And then stop and look at the watch.

 

[Judy]

Just chiming in, as a male, to say that I am very disappointed that many on this thread have inferred -- or outright said -- that men "think with their members." Sorry, but most men -- yes, even young men -- have their urges in check, know the difference between right and wrong, and have better things to do with their lives than solely being focused on getting their rocks off.

Can you imagine how this thread would blow up if male posters here started making generalized comments about how "women are?"

Please, let's knock it off with the sexist assumptions.

Of course. Nobody can generalize that every man would do this.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Find a case about a slap on the butt in figure skating and maybe you'll have something. Otherwise, I ask always--what is your point?

My reply and example was an answer to @VGThuy 's general question that was not about "skating" or Cipres' case.

 

[maatTheViking]

Sure, many men do indulge in "locker room" talk. Frankly, so do a lot of women. And that's okay and harmless (our PSOTY here on this forum is no accident). But most locker room talk -- from both sexes -- stays in the locker room. My point is that most men, along with women, do know the difference between right and wrong.

I will now keep quiet in this thread.

I’ve never once discussed the hotness of my male coworkers with any female coworkers. (Granted I work in a male heavy field and when I meet other women the talk often turn to how to succeed as a woman in a male oriented field).

I’ve never once thought that a guy was ‘asking for it’.

when I was in university, maybe we discussed how cute or hot some of our male peers was, but not in terms of body parts or clothing? Most talk was in terms of dating.

To me, there is HUGE difference between discussing someone you know and especially work with, and a celebrity. Someone’s public persona is just that, a persona.

there are also, regardless, a huge difference in the way you discuss this. of course people will talk about what and who they find hot; but the minute it turns into any sort of entitlement to their bodies it’s no longer ok. No one in the PSOTY thread said they wanted to grab Nik Sorensen’s crotch.

 

[PRlady]

Once, just once, in a long career, I found one of my staff physically attractive. He was younger then me, I was single at the time, and of course I was his boss. If anything, my behavior with this guy was so impeccable as to verge on hilariously out of character -- no jokes, no banter, none of the informality with my other staff (male and female), just business.

I think women who find themselves in this situation bend over backwards NOT to behave like a lot of the men @antmanb described because we've all suffered through permutations of it at some point.

 

[just tuned in]

You might be the one who needs to work with a therapist. You seem to be able to read a lot into this where you’re apparently blaming the child

“She feels guilty because she encouraged a crime”

iYou have no evidence the child encouraged anything. You should be ashamed yourself Feel guilty for even having thoughts like that

Your amateur therapy act is disgusting and vile

Pu-lease. The girl has been exposed to all kinds of potentially damaging experiences and is no doubt suffering plenty. Of course I am not blaming her. I don't know if she blames herself, but I would not be surprised if she did, because a lot of victims are inclined to do that. That will be just one part of her healing process.